Poll: It's really time to stop supporting Blizzard

[Deofuta]

If they have built in cheats, use them. The only reason others would be used is to get around the disabled achievements and grab them.

Blizzard fo life.

 

[ecoho]

ok first off for all you cheaters out there, if you want to cheat the developers were kind enoth to put cheat codes in use them and you dont get baned. How do i know this? Well i happen to use them every once in a while for pure fun (1 zergling VS the world! to be honest if you cant beat the campain with out cheats you realy shouldnt of bought the game.

Now to blizzard being "owned" by activision their not they merged. this means while 1 man is the owner of both compinies they have seprete CEOs as well as a seperte bord of directors. that all means Bobby can piss and moan all he wants about money to blizzard they can and have told him to shut up. now bobby is still able to cause problims with their propperties he cant force changes to main titles such as diablo, WOW, or starcraft. That is fact people and BTW people who want to make money are not the root of all evil Bobby is an extraimist blizzard is not simple as that.

 

[bob1052]

Just out of curiosity I grabbed my box of Starcraft 2

The use of this software product is subject to the terms of an End User License Agreement
available at http://www.starcraft2.com/legal/eula.html ...

More proof that the argument that you open the box before you see the EULA is completely wrong.

Is it in fine print? Yes. Did you really expect anything different from any company? Not if you have half a brain.

Quoting this as it seems the one person who needs to read this seems to selectively skipped over it, convenient.

I saw it but when I am in the store, I am not in front of my computer. You know what happens when I see a game on the shelf that looks interesting but then decide to look up reviews before I buy it? I forget about it.

So before your argument was I can't see it before I open it, and (even though it isn't) it's too late to return after you open it.

Now that you have been proven wrong, your argument is I can't see it when I'm not home, and what is the issue with returning it?

Stop grasping for straws that aren't there.

 

[Xan Krieger]

How about they just remove the achievments so people can play the game the way they want? I bought Starcraft 2 three days after it came out and beat it fairly about 2 days later. If I want to cheat on the singleplayer part I should be able to, it's not gonna harm anyone. Hell, find a way to disable earning achievements if a person cheats, that'll fix the problem.

They already disable achievements if you cheat. The issue is that they can only control the cheats they create, or catch. And catching every cheat out there is a waste of their resources (and vespene gas). They allow cheats, the only reason someone would use third party instead of the allowed cheats is to bypass the achievement disable, which is evident in the fact that they complain even though they never lost the ability to play offline.

So this is only for third party trainers? Then I have nothing to worry about by using the cheats already coded into the game.
*facepalms self*
*remembers he forgot to take off his glasses before facepalming*
well crap.

 

[Snotnarok]

Blizzard should have separated single and multiplayer achievements but they didn't so really, they created this situation.

It's their fault you decided to cheat? It's their fault that you'd still be cheating to get achievements which no company is okay with you doing?

I don't even like blizzard, they're under Activision and there's no company I want restructured more than them and I'm totally with them on this.

You hit "I agree" to the EULA, you break it, you fall in their rules. Stop trying to shift the blame, blizzard or activsion didn't make you cheat, ya chose to. Ya get to buy the game again, this time don't cheat and all will be fan-dabby-tastic.

I didn't buy the game, I didn't cheat but I do think they are overstepping. The EULA is worthless except to people like you who give it it's power.

Stopping throwing it up there as if we should all bow before it. Stop pretending there isn't a scam in regards to agreeing to a contract you can't read until you open the product and then can't return it.

I know you didn't buy it, but you're defending people using cheats. Does the EULA suck? Yes in a lot of ways it does, but you bought the game, and when you open it, it tells you what not to do to keep your account.

Am I defending it? No I'm telling you why their in their right to ban anyone who cheats. I hate DRM and the EULA but the EULA at least TELLS YOU what you can do to keep your game instead of DRM which lies cheats its customers and supports the pirates.

I support single player cheating. If I want to pull out my Action Replay for a DS Game, I don't think anyone should stand in my way. I do not support multiplayer cheating but Blizzard stacked the cards here to ensure that even single player was tied into multiplayer.

Speaking of pirates, guess who isn't dealing with this BS?

Here's the difference...When you cheat on your DS, you cheat for yourself and no one is effected, when you cheat in single player on Starcraft 2 with 3rd party cheats you're unlocking achievements that other people earn.

So yes it's still effecting other people because you didn't earn those things, but it says you do on your profile unlocking things they wanted you to earn.

Well, in most single player games cheating only affects you. Blizzard designed SC2 a little different and are now banning people for doing what they could do in any other game. See what I am getting at here?

Really though, the achievements don't affect multiplayer games themselves so it's debatable why anyone would care. Do you respect a person more if their Gamerscore is high? I don't even notice.

See this is the problem, it's not about you, some people love the crap out of achievements, infact a lot of people seem to, I know people who'll get the 360 version just because their GS goes up rather than trophies. Majority rules in this matter and what it REALLY comes down to is blizzard said no, you (said person) does it then what should blizzard do? Not do it? Just let some people cheat achievements while others grind their asses off to get it?

Was starcraft 2 stupidly set up? Oh god yes, but there's many ways for you to find that out, videos, reviews and what it comes down to is people bought it anyway, blizzard said no, they did it anyway, they get punished. That's it, if you wanted to cheat in SC2 then cheat it into offline mode with some 3rd party thing then cheat, then uninstall it and reinstall it so you don't get banned, there's not much else to say here.

 

[bob1052]

How about they just remove the achievments so people can play the game the way they want? I bought Starcraft 2 three days after it came out and beat it fairly about 2 days later. If I want to cheat on the singleplayer part I should be able to, it's not gonna harm anyone. Hell, find a way to disable earning achievements if a person cheats, that'll fix the problem.

They already disable achievements if you cheat. The issue is that they can only control the cheats they create, or catch. And catching every cheat out there is a waste of their resources (and vespene gas). They allow cheats, the only reason someone would use third party instead of the allowed cheats is to bypass the achievement disable, which is evident in the fact that they complain even though they never lost the ability to play offline.

So this is only for third party trainers? Then I have nothing to worry about by using the cheats already coded into the game.
*facepalms self*
*remembers he forgot to take off his glasses before facepalming*
well crap.

I am unsure what you are confused about here. You are allowed to use the cheats already coded into the game. Blizzard gave them to you so you could cheat if you so desire to.

Modifying the game with third person trainers is the entire issue here.

 

[Bloodbane15]

To all those people saying that you can't boycott a developer over something like this.

Your damn well right I can, and i have.

I don't cheat in single player games, and definitely not in multiplayer games, but i can see the reason of people who do.

People who want to try out quick strategies etc without spending the original 30 minutes building up a base and economy, or people who just want to have a quick bit of fun.

Banning people for using cheats in single player is a violation of user rights, and it's downright ridiculous.

Thousands of other games have allowed single player cheats, hell a ton of them even have cheats coded into the game for this exact reason!

I already boycotted Blizzard over their ludicrous segregation of the online communities and this has only compounded my decision.

I don't give a damn how good their games are, an A grade conman is still a conman no matter how you look at him.

Screw Blizzard.

 

[Robin_Lyon]

Why release Lord of the Rings as a trilogy (+1) as books when you can just take the extra time to release one for an epic journey. At the end of #2 the story was still unresolved, etc.

Because some people like myself would rather a book around 350ish pages in their hands rather then a 1500 page brick.

Some people would prefer three 10 hour campaigns (more with replay value) than a giant 30 hour brick.

LoL I totally don't disagree with you

But there IS publication of Lord O' Teh Ringz as one book. It's green with a picture of Gandalf in the woods on the front cover. I own one. It's right here, next to my bed. Here, I'll even look at the back page and tell you how high the numbers go.

1137 pages. That includes the 3 books, 103 pages of appendices and a 24 page index. but DOESN'T include the 11 pages of maps, or the 28 pages on notes about the story.

It's big and heavy, about the size of two bricks and the weight of one.

So, myth busted.

 

[JaysonM]

I support blizzard even more now. They are banning people for testing 3rd party cheats in single player which were inevitably going to be used in multiplayer.

But there's dumb shits out there who will probably disown blizzard because they think what they are doing is wrong.

 

[bob1052]

Just out of curiosity I grabbed my box of Starcraft 2

The use of this software product is subject to the terms of an End User License Agreement
available at http://www.starcraft2.com/legal/eula.html ...

More proof that the argument that you open the box before you see the EULA is completely wrong.

Is it in fine print? Yes. Did you really expect anything different from any company? Not if you have half a brain.

Quoting this as it seems the one person who needs to read this seems to selectively skipped over it, convenient.

I saw it but when I am in the store, I am not in front of my computer. You know what happens when I see a game on the shelf that looks interesting but then decide to look up reviews before I buy it? I forget about it.

So before your argument was I can't see it before I open it, and (even though it isn't) it's too late to return after you open it.

Now that you have been proven wrong, your argument is I can't see it when I'm not home, and what is the issue with returning it?

Stop grasping for straws that aren't there.

Not really, you still can't return it no matter the reason.

You ever bought a PC game that you couldn't run despite meeting the min specs?

I think the no return policy is a scam and I think the "read the EULA" excuse is nonsense. Do you actually read 20 pages of legalese every time you install a game? However, the EULA is constantly brought up as an excuse so bad behavior for game companies.

Haven't you noticed all the breaks people give game companies that other companies don't get?

I have not ever bought a game that I couldn't run because right next to where it tells you to read the EULA on the packaging, it tells you the minimum specs to run the game.

So you think that being forced to read EULAs are scams?

When you buy a that is played online, what you are buying is a license to use a game on a server owned by a company under their rules. If you do not read the EULA then things such as getting banned for cheating happen.

You play under their rules. they are a company. Their rules need to be very comprehensive to protect their interests, and the integrity of the game.

What companies do speak about? It is not just video game companies that get "breaks". It is many companies that are on the internet, because computers are so vastly different than anything before it. Facebook has a Statement of Rights and Responsibilities. Youtube has an user agreement.

Why release Lord of the Rings as a trilogy (+1) as books when you can just take the extra time to release one for an epic journey. At the end of #2 the story was still unresolved, etc.

Because some people like myself would rather a book around 350ish pages in their hands rather then a 1500 page brick.

Some people would prefer three 10 hour campaigns (more with replay value) than a giant 30 hour brick.

LoL I totally don't disagree with you

But there IS publication of Lord O' Teh Ringz as one book. It's green with a picture of Gandalf in the woods on the front cover. I own one. It's right here, next to my bed. Here, I'll even look at the back page and tell you how high the numbers go.

1137 pages. That includes the 3 books, 103 pages of appendices and a 24 page index. but DOESN'T include the 11 pages of maps, or the 28 pages on notes about the story.

It's big and heavy, about the size of two bricks and the weight of one.

So, myth busted.

I actually meant at its initial release. Why did Tolkein rip people off into buying his four books when he could have held on to them for a few years and released them initially as one, was the devils advocate-argument

 

[Snotnarok]

Blizzard should have separated single and multiplayer achievements but they didn't so really, they created this situation.

It's their fault you decided to cheat? It's their fault that you'd still be cheating to get achievements which no company is okay with you doing?

I don't even like blizzard, they're under Activision and there's no company I want restructured more than them and I'm totally with them on this.

You hit "I agree" to the EULA, you break it, you fall in their rules. Stop trying to shift the blame, blizzard or activsion didn't make you cheat, ya chose to. Ya get to buy the game again, this time don't cheat and all will be fan-dabby-tastic.

I didn't buy the game, I didn't cheat but I do think they are overstepping. The EULA is worthless except to people like you who give it it's power.

Stopping throwing it up there as if we should all bow before it. Stop pretending there isn't a scam in regards to agreeing to a contract you can't read until you open the product and then can't return it.

I know you didn't buy it, but you're defending people using cheats. Does the EULA suck? Yes in a lot of ways it does, but you bought the game, and when you open it, it tells you what not to do to keep your account.

Am I defending it? No I'm telling you why their in their right to ban anyone who cheats. I hate DRM and the EULA but the EULA at least TELLS YOU what you can do to keep your game instead of DRM which lies cheats its customers and supports the pirates.

I support single player cheating. If I want to pull out my Action Replay for a DS Game, I don't think anyone should stand in my way. I do not support multiplayer cheating but Blizzard stacked the cards here to ensure that even single player was tied into multiplayer.

Speaking of pirates, guess who isn't dealing with this BS?

Here's the difference...When you cheat on your DS, you cheat for yourself and no one is effected, when you cheat in single player on Starcraft 2 with 3rd party cheats you're unlocking achievements that other people earn.

So yes it's still effecting other people because you didn't earn those things, but it says you do on your profile unlocking things they wanted you to earn.

Well, in most single player games cheating only affects you. Blizzard designed SC2 a little different and are now banning people for doing what they could do in any other game. See what I am getting at here?

Really though, the achievements don't affect multiplayer games themselves so it's debatable why anyone would care. Do you respect a person more if their Gamerscore is high? I don't even notice.

See this is the problem, it's not about you, some people love the crap out of achievements, infact a lot of people seem to, I know people who'll get the 360 version just because their GS goes up rather than trophies. Majority rules in this matter and what it REALLY comes down to is blizzard said no, you (said person) does it then what should blizzard do? Not do it? Just let some people cheat achievements while others grind their asses off to get it?

Was starcraft 2 stupidly set up? Oh god yes, but there's many ways for you to find that out, videos, reviews and what it comes down to is people bought it anyway, blizzard said no, they did it anyway, they get punished. That's it, if you wanted to cheat in SC2 then cheat it into offline mode with some 3rd party thing then cheat, then uninstall it and reinstall it so you don't get banned, there's not much else to say here.

Well, actually including achievement was done before the game was release so it's more "Blizzard rules" rather than majority rules. If we ran a poll, maybe most people who play SC2 would also admit to not caring about achievement but no one really has a choice in the matter.

What do you want me to say? People bought the game, they warned people fairly and when they broke the rules and got punished for it the people complained.

What about that isn't fair? Seriously tell me what about that process isn't fair?

 

[Waaghpowa]

Compared to a number of other game companies Blizzard sells quality games. Despite my hatred for Activision I will support blizzard so long as they keep making good games.

Also, learn to read the EULA and stop cheating, all it does is make you look like a whiner who can't play and is too stupid to read.

 

[JaysonM]

Just out of curiosity I grabbed my box of Starcraft 2

The use of this software product is subject to the terms of an End User License Agreement
available at http://www.starcraft2.com/legal/eula.html ...

More proof that the argument that you open the box before you see the EULA is completely wrong.

Is it in fine print? Yes. Did you really expect anything different from any company? Not if you have half a brain.

Quoting this as it seems the one person who needs to read this seems to selectively skipped over it, convenient.

I saw it but when I am in the store, I am not in front of my computer. You know what happens when I see a game on the shelf that looks interesting but then decide to look up reviews before I buy it? I forget about it.

So before your argument was I can't see it before I open it, and (even though it isn't) it's too late to return after you open it.

Now that you have been proven wrong, your argument is I can't see it when I'm not home, and what is the issue with returning it?

Stop grasping for straws that aren't there.

Not really, you still can't return it no matter the reason.

You ever bought a PC game that you couldn't run despite meeting the min specs?

I think the no return policy is a scam and I think the "read the EULA" excuse is nonsense. Do you actually read 20 pages of legalese every time you install a game? However, the EULA is constantly brought up as an excuse so bad behavior for game companies.

Haven't you noticed all the breaks people give game companies that other companies don't get?

I have not ever bought a game that I couldn't run because right next to where it tells you to read the EULA on the packaging, it tells you the minimum specs to run the game.

So you think that being forced to read EULAs are scams?

When you buy a that is played online, what you are buying is a license to use a game on a server owned by a company under their rules. If you do not read the EULA then things such as getting banned for cheating happen.

You play under their rules. they are a company. Their rules need to be very comprehensive to protect their interests, and the integrity of the game.

What companies do speak about? It is not just video game companies that get "breaks". It is many companies that are on the internet, because computers are so vastly different than anything before it. Facebook has a Statement of Rights and Responsibilities. Youtube has an user agreement.

I don't like people using the argument "read the Eula", I aint reading a 10,000 word 3rd party contract to play a game. I do however agree that blizzard are on the right here, and had every right to banning them. Also we don't know the full story, people could be developing these programs for multiplayer, and also it effects achievements... I don't want everyone running around with the best achievements in multiplayer..

 

[The Madman]

Banning people for using cheats in single player is a violation of user rights, and it's downright ridiculous.

Thousands of other games have allowed single player cheats, hell a ton of them even have cheats coded into the game for this exact reason!

Erm, Starcraft is one those games with cheats coded in. You can cheat to your hearts content if you want.

Problem is people are using 3rd party software to get singleplayer achievements. See, when you use SC2's cheats the game automatically disables achievements because it wouldn't be very fair if you could still get them with godmode on and the like, so players are using 3rd party software to get around that mechanic.

Not that it matters to you anyway since you obviously hate Blizzard. But nevertheless thought I'd point that out.

 

[bob1052]

Blizzard should have separated single and multiplayer achievements but they didn't so really, they created this situation.

It's their fault you decided to cheat? It's their fault that you'd still be cheating to get achievements which no company is okay with you doing?

I don't even like blizzard, they're under Activision and there's no company I want restructured more than them and I'm totally with them on this.

You hit "I agree" to the EULA, you break it, you fall in their rules. Stop trying to shift the blame, blizzard or activsion didn't make you cheat, ya chose to. Ya get to buy the game again, this time don't cheat and all will be fan-dabby-tastic.

I didn't buy the game, I didn't cheat but I do think they are overstepping. The EULA is worthless except to people like you who give it it's power.

Stopping throwing it up there as if we should all bow before it. Stop pretending there isn't a scam in regards to agreeing to a contract you can't read until you open the product and then can't return it.

I know you didn't buy it, but you're defending people using cheats. Does the EULA suck? Yes in a lot of ways it does, but you bought the game, and when you open it, it tells you what not to do to keep your account.

Am I defending it? No I'm telling you why their in their right to ban anyone who cheats. I hate DRM and the EULA but the EULA at least TELLS YOU what you can do to keep your game instead of DRM which lies cheats its customers and supports the pirates.

I support single player cheating. If I want to pull out my Action Replay for a DS Game, I don't think anyone should stand in my way. I do not support multiplayer cheating but Blizzard stacked the cards here to ensure that even single player was tied into multiplayer.

Speaking of pirates, guess who isn't dealing with this BS?

Here's the difference...When you cheat on your DS, you cheat for yourself and no one is effected, when you cheat in single player on Starcraft 2 with 3rd party cheats you're unlocking achievements that other people earn.

So yes it's still effecting other people because you didn't earn those things, but it says you do on your profile unlocking things they wanted you to earn.

Well, in most single player games cheating only affects you. Blizzard designed SC2 a little different and are now banning people for doing what they could do in any other game. See what I am getting at here?

Really though, the achievements don't affect multiplayer games themselves so it's debatable why anyone would care. Do you respect a person more if their Gamerscore is high? I don't even notice.

See this is the problem, it's not about you, some people love the crap out of achievements, infact a lot of people seem to, I know people who'll get the 360 version just because their GS goes up rather than trophies. Majority rules in this matter and what it REALLY comes down to is blizzard said no, you (said person) does it then what should blizzard do? Not do it? Just let some people cheat achievements while others grind their asses off to get it?

Was starcraft 2 stupidly set up? Oh god yes, but there's many ways for you to find that out, videos, reviews and what it comes down to is people bought it anyway, blizzard said no, they did it anyway, they get punished. That's it, if you wanted to cheat in SC2 then cheat it into offline mode with some 3rd party thing then cheat, then uninstall it and reinstall it so you don't get banned, there's not much else to say here.

Well, actually including achievement was done before the game was release so it's more "Blizzard rules" rather than majority rules. If we ran a poll, maybe most people who play SC2 would also admit to not caring about achievement but no one really has a choice in the matter.

What do you want me to say? People bought the game, they warned people fairly and when they broke the rules and got punished for it the people complained.

What about that isn't fair? Seriously tell me what about that process isn't fair?

Because apparently being fairly warned (which they were) is some sort of scam and a giant conspiracy on Blizzard's part because EULAs don't exist for other games and Blizzard is some super power bringing the world down with their one of a kind EULAs. (super-sarcasm)

Blizzard should have separated single and multiplayer achievements but they didn't so really, they created this situation.

It's their fault you decided to cheat? It's their fault that you'd still be cheating to get achievements which no company is okay with you doing?

I don't even like blizzard, they're under Activision and there's no company I want restructured more than them and I'm totally with them on this.

You hit "I agree" to the EULA, you break it, you fall in their rules. Stop trying to shift the blame, blizzard or activsion didn't make you cheat, ya chose to. Ya get to buy the game again, this time don't cheat and all will be fan-dabby-tastic.

I didn't buy the game, I didn't cheat but I do think they are overstepping. The EULA is worthless except to people like you who give it it's power.

Stopping throwing it up there as if we should all bow before it. Stop pretending there isn't a scam in regards to agreeing to a contract you can't read until you open the product and then can't return it.

I know you didn't buy it, but you're defending people using cheats. Does the EULA suck? Yes in a lot of ways it does, but you bought the game, and when you open it, it tells you what not to do to keep your account.

Am I defending it? No I'm telling you why their in their right to ban anyone who cheats. I hate DRM and the EULA but the EULA at least TELLS YOU what you can do to keep your game instead of DRM which lies cheats its customers and supports the pirates.

I support single player cheating. If I want to pull out my Action Replay for a DS Game, I don't think anyone should stand in my way. I do not support multiplayer cheating but Blizzard stacked the cards here to ensure that even single player was tied into multiplayer.

Speaking of pirates, guess who isn't dealing with this BS?

Here's the difference...When you cheat on your DS, you cheat for yourself and no one is effected, when you cheat in single player on Starcraft 2 with 3rd party cheats you're unlocking achievements that other people earn.

So yes it's still effecting other people because you didn't earn those things, but it says you do on your profile unlocking things they wanted you to earn.

Well, in most single player games cheating only affects you. Blizzard designed SC2 a little different and are now banning people for doing what they could do in any other game. See what I am getting at here?

Really though, the achievements don't affect multiplayer games themselves so it's debatable why anyone would care. Do you respect a person more if their Gamerscore is high? I don't even notice.

See this is the problem, it's not about you, some people love the crap out of achievements, infact a lot of people seem to, I know people who'll get the 360 version just because their GS goes up rather than trophies. Majority rules in this matter and what it REALLY comes down to is blizzard said no, you (said person) does it then what should blizzard do? Not do it? Just let some people cheat achievements while others grind their asses off to get it?

Was starcraft 2 stupidly set up? Oh god yes, but there's many ways for you to find that out, videos, reviews and what it comes down to is people bought it anyway, blizzard said no, they did it anyway, they get punished. That's it, if you wanted to cheat in SC2 then cheat it into offline mode with some 3rd party thing then cheat, then uninstall it and reinstall it so you don't get banned, there's not much else to say here.

Well, actually including achievement was done before the game was release so it's more "Blizzard rules" rather than majority rules. If we ran a poll, maybe most people who play SC2 would also admit to not caring about achievement but no one really has a choice in the matter.

What do you want me to say? People bought the game, they warned people fairly and when they broke the rules and got punished for it the people complained.

What about that isn't fair? Seriously tell me what about that process isn't fair?

I didn't even know about this issue until today. Had I bought the game yesterday, I would have bought it without knowing this.

Where did they "warn people" about this. How many people weren't really warned. See, using a trainer on a single player game is not inherently bad so people wouldn't automatically know they can't do it with this game. Maybe they should have to Blizzards website to read 20 pages of legalese before their purchase.

EVERYONE playing Starcraft 2 told Blizzard they have read the rules which explicitly state that.

Blizzard is right for expecting everyone to behave accordingly. If you believe otherwise you are, as previously indicated by your posts, not the kind of person with any credibility in this debate.