Poll: Jim sterling VS Extra credits
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i don't know why but i absolutley can't stand jim, i've watched a few eps and i just can't
but i agree with most things extra credits say
but i agree with most things extra credits say
gamers are people who play video games, i'm pretty sure that the extra credits crew play video gamesSmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Jim Sterling's stereotypical British Prick gimmick isn't funny. If it wasn't for his occasional bit of insight, I would've denounced him as just another partition of the furry-hating-and-murdering-and-corpsefucking Destructoid machine.
Extra Credits, on the other hand, was more like an information hub for me. I can see it occasionally trying to harp me into following their suggestions, but I'm not a game developer yet, neither am I optimistic enough that anything people suggest would be consistent and proven to have worked, so again, EC is merely an information hub. It treats you all like "idiots" because the show seems to be aimed at real idiots like me, who need to get an idea of the machinations of how to make a game and the state of the gaming industry. Not THE idea, but an idea.
The fact that you guys think EC is pretentious and anybody who watches EC is pretentious is baffling. Maybe I've been indoctrinated or something. Oh no, abnormal method of thinking is showing again, ANYONE GOT A GUN I CAN BORROW
Extra Credits, on the other hand, was more like an information hub for me. I can see it occasionally trying to harp me into following their suggestions, but I'm not a game developer yet, neither am I optimistic enough that anything people suggest would be consistent and proven to have worked, so again, EC is merely an information hub. It treats you all like "idiots" because the show seems to be aimed at real idiots like me, who need to get an idea of the machinations of how to make a game and the state of the gaming industry. Not THE idea, but an idea.
The fact that you guys think EC is pretentious and anybody who watches EC is pretentious is baffling. Maybe I've been indoctrinated or something. Oh no, abnormal method of thinking is showing again, ANYONE GOT A GUN I CAN BORROW
When talking about consumers and Devs/Publishers, not so much.TheKasp said:
The difference is also quite blurred in many cases, as Smash has said. I.E: The ME3 ending debacle. Is EA different from Bioware? Has Bioware come out and said something different to EA? Have they both said the same thing? Is EA forcing Bioware to say something? - Where does one start, and the other end. Many used to think EA had forced Bioware to make the bad endings, and were forcing them to make anti-fan PR statements. Many have turned to thinking it is purely Bioware now. The whole thing is confused, and what influence EA is having over Bioware is unclear.
Anyway, I believe the point Smash was trying to make is that they work against the consumer if the dev/publisher is on the other side in most cases.
Most people will disagree with this. Partially because of the "I'm a consumer, and I'm right" attitude, but also because such a stance can be genuinely wrong/misguided at times. The Publisher/Dev is not always right.
Not going into my opinions on the issue of EC v Jim, but I agree that there are times where the lines between publisher and developer become blurred.
One thing you need to know. Free Speech isn't covered in online gaming. The EULA states that, and you can be banned for hate speech and such. They could very easily and very legally use functions like what they said in EC. The point is it could hurt business, that is why they don't do it. But while free speech is nice, it is not a reason for this argument because in this argument you don't actually have free speech.
I've enjoyed many of their shows, including the great Kinect Disconnect. I learn a lot from Extra Credits, but there are times when I cringe so much I have to shut down the tab and do something else.Elamdri said:
In my opinion, there isn't really a point in comparing Jim and EC, as they simply don't deal in the same line of work.
I'm usually not the biggest fan of Jim's humor, but I can certainly see why it would appeal to some. As for the actual insight he provides, it is usually more about advising consumers, wondering how to resist the abuse of the big corporations, and giving his opinion on the many, many controversies we gamers seem to love so much.
EC, on the other hand, isn't about opinions, but attempting to build a "How to make a game" guidebook aimed at (mostly) indy devs. This is where I find they usually shine, way more than when taking stances in controvercies, and, although I don't always agree with what they think of certain mechanics, I don't see how anyone can call "pretentious" those who made one of the most humble and moving videos about game addiction I have ever seen (It's on their youtube channel, Extracreditz).
Still, my vote'll go to EC, because I simply find what they do more useful and unique, but I sincerly believe there is little point in comparing the two.
I'm usually not the biggest fan of Jim's humor, but I can certainly see why it would appeal to some. As for the actual insight he provides, it is usually more about advising consumers, wondering how to resist the abuse of the big corporations, and giving his opinion on the many, many controversies we gamers seem to love so much.
EC, on the other hand, isn't about opinions, but attempting to build a "How to make a game" guidebook aimed at (mostly) indy devs. This is where I find they usually shine, way more than when taking stances in controvercies, and, although I don't always agree with what they think of certain mechanics, I don't see how anyone can call "pretentious" those who made one of the most humble and moving videos about game addiction I have ever seen (It's on their youtube channel, Extracreditz).
Still, my vote'll go to EC, because I simply find what they do more useful and unique, but I sincerly believe there is little point in comparing the two.
B-but my logic is too different... I've GOT to be indoctrinated!! WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!Smithburg said:
Also captcha called me "good for nothing". So much for open thinking.
They both have solutions for problems. I find myself agreeing more often with EC. Jim can go fuck himself, though. Did you see those first episodes? He must have thought that we were all twelve, he laid the persona on so hard. I understood it immediately,and so did everyone else. He got better, IE You only get the persona at the beginning and end, but that doesn't erase what he did. Also, when that guy had valid criticisms about his Mario Cart review, he just blew him off!
I'm not the sensitive type, but I know when someone thinks you're an idiot. That's why I only watch him every once in a while, and I watch every EC episode.
I'm not the sensitive type, but I know when someone thinks you're an idiot. That's why I only watch him every once in a while, and I watch every EC episode.
I've never felt talked down when watching an extra-credits episode. Yes they explain things that maybe don't need to be explained, but when a professional talks about their profession they have to assume the audience knows minimal information about the topic. Otherwise it becomes very easy to blur the line and start talking about something the audience does not know as if they did. You can adjust that "minimal level" depending on the audience, but as a web-show trying to reach the broadest audience they have to assume that the person knows very little. I don't always agree with their opinions, but they generally make good arguments for their points. Overall I usually take something away from an episode of EC that I didn't know before.
Jim also usually makes a good argument although its more in the form of a rant than a lecture/podium debate. However I usually don't take away anything from a Sterling episode that I hadn't already known. I also don't really care for the whole persona/act thing that he does to bring in a crowd.
However Jim and EC have two different goals (I feel). EC is more of an information show that tries to provide information/options about topics that may not have occurred to people. Jim is an opinion show with a persona act. Yes both provide information/opinion but the focus they give is significantly different.
EC gets my vote based solely on the only criteria I care about when judging a web show. I personally am more entertained and I learn more from watching the show.
Jim also usually makes a good argument although its more in the form of a rant than a lecture/podium debate. However I usually don't take away anything from a Sterling episode that I hadn't already known. I also don't really care for the whole persona/act thing that he does to bring in a crowd.
However Jim and EC have two different goals (I feel). EC is more of an information show that tries to provide information/options about topics that may not have occurred to people. Jim is an opinion show with a persona act. Yes both provide information/opinion but the focus they give is significantly different.
EC gets my vote based solely on the only criteria I care about when judging a web show. I personally am more entertained and I learn more from watching the show.
Extra credits tackle complex issues, make valid points in a sophisticated way and provide an elegant solution
Jim Sterling yells obscenities down a microphone at problems that anyone with 1/2 a brain can see and derive a solution for and acts like a slightly more intelligent breed of xbox live kid
i find it very ironic that theRPG elitist's community of the escapist like Jim more
Jim Sterling yells obscenities down a microphone at problems that anyone with 1/2 a brain can see and derive a solution for and acts like a slightly more intelligent breed of xbox live kid
i find it very ironic that the
Most of the people in those posts are actually saying how much they like or enjoy EC so your argument is a little flat there.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
EC tries to be a show that can be educational or illuminating to people in games, and people that don't know games. They aren't being pretentious, they love what they are doing and they want to show it to other people as well.
But isn't that subjective to a persons viewpoint? So really there is no stupid opinions just personal beliefs on what a stupid opinion is.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
I like Jim Sterling and I like EC. Both can have good arguments. I watch them both just to give me something to think about.
Personally I love the way they present their arguments showing how they feel towards something then let you make up your mind on how you feel, they never force their opinions down your throat they just want to show you how they feel or what the future could hold. It can have its ups and downs for both shows but I love them both.
I really like Jim Sterling, for what he says in his show on here, but I didn't care much about EC even when they were here. It's a pretty easy choice as far as I'm concerned
I like both of 'em, but gotta give the slight nod to Jim, if only because I find myself agreeing with him on more issues more than the EC team.
And I can see how they (EC) might be seen as pretentious, and sometimes that does come on pretty thickly.
And I can see how they (EC) might be seen as pretentious, and sometimes that does come on pretty thickly.
