I think they should have split the movie into 2 parts like they were going to originally. Because now word is going out that so much was cut from the movie.bastardofmelbourne said:
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It was more watchable for me.wizzy555 said:
But in regards to this movie, from the stuff I heard, its practically the equvilant from what was cut out of Lord of the Rings before the extended edition.
...whaaaaaa?bastardofmelbourne said:
Ok, that's just the most silly, loopy idea I've seen in almost forever. Also please don't tell me that's the actual formula...
*google*
Ok, that's just one of the many forms of the formula, including weird demigod thing split into two. Still, unless it's literally space-magic, reading that should just lead to someone cocking their head and going "Huh? I literally don't follow your logic, it sounds like something an edgy 13 year old wrote on a bathroom wall".
......Although it sounds like it would be hilarious for Darkseid to dramatically read it out to someone who sucks at math so much they can't understand it and thus can't fall under the spell, or for him to say it to deadpool who'd reply "Counterpoint, I don't give a fuck! *dakka dakka*"
I mean, it's a really interesting idea, it just...Sounds super silly, especially with THAT form. I mean, you'd likely need some insane theoretical quantum physics equations to prove free will doesn't exist, let alone to brainwash people into joining darkseid. To say nothing of the fact that anyone who knows the formula should also technically fall under the spell, even it they invented it, because they had to read/hear it in order to learn it so they could use it.
Thats the thing, This whole Justice League movie thing was gonna be a 2 part movie like Harry Potter Deathly Hallows. We basically just got a horrible clusterfuck of a movie's development with too many studio mandated changes and edits and reshoots. Lots of things that was originally gonna be in it was cut or changed.undeadsuitor said:
Its Suicide Squad all over again.
How bad is the dialog really? I heard Batfleck was actually boring in the movie.undeadsuitor said:
And how would scene to scene editing would still be shit if its more "coherent" movie?
That's not the actual formula. That's Grant Morrison's classic presentation of it in Seven Soldiers. It's more of a metaphor than anything else; the real formula is implied to be a truth too terrible for mortal minds to comprehend, yada yada yada, so it's more like...weaponised nihilism.aegix drakan said:
Remember, this is comic books. In comics, the universe is actually finite and is bounded by something called the Source Wall [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Wall], which is a literal wall [https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dcanimated/images/b/b4/Source_wall.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080819193640] sealing off everything from...something. Also, all fear in the universe [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_spectrum] comes from the colour yellow, which is also simultaneously a giant yellow space-bug [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax_(comics)].aegix drakan said:
Comics are dumb.
They shouldn't have tried to bum-rush their way into an ensemble movie in the first place.Samtemdo8 said:
Like, BvS should have been two films - one where Batman and Superman fight because of Lex Luthor but then kiss and make up, and one where Lex Luthor creates Doomsday and kills Superman. As it was, it was both way too long and way too short at the same time.
Plus there was a fundamental writing flaw, which was to make the whole plot revolve around this weird "Lois is the key" message that wouldn't pay off until Justice League and landed like a wet fart when it did. The message should have been Martha is the key, because that a) foreshadows the climax and b) makes sense, because Batman is the one who actually goes and saves Martha in the film. Presumably, in the bad timeline, Batman would have "killed" Superman, Superman would've been resurrected later (by Darkseid or just by regenerating once the kryptonite was taken out) and then turned evil because he finds out Luthor had his mother burned alive and it's Batman's fault.
But they decided to make it about Lois for some reason, but then put Martha in danger, so Lois had to be saved from danger she was never in and the whole thing collapse into an incoherent pile of half-digested curry.
I could rant about BvS all day! It was the greatest film that ever wasn't!
Not anymore, my love is for Fantasy/Tolkien now.BeetleManiac said:
Superheroes I have lost interest since I cannot enjoy DC movies because everyone expects them to be like Marvel now, which I hate because I always found their heroes lame and unheroic (Yes I don't think Captain America is a heroic as Superman), and since DC is gonna reboot it most likely to appeal to people like Moviebob's tastes, its dead now to me.
My dream of DC being more like Vertigo comics and Watchmen is gone.
I enjoy Marvel stuff. It's fun to watch. I haven't enjoyed a DC movie since the Dark Knight, which was expertly put together. I also enjoy stuff that gets dark and serious, so long as it's either thought provoking (Say, Spec Ops The Line), or if it's put together in a good way (Say, Alien, or The Thing, or various other films).Samtemdo8 said:
My younger brother is much the same. He's a movie buff who enjoys a hell of a lot of serious media, but can't stand most of the DC movies (he's watched them all because he is morbidly curious about "bad movies") because he's like "This plot is full of holes, but wants me to take it seriously, WTF? How can I take BvS seriously when the villain is this petulant schizophrenic manchild and the heroes consistently act stupid, and after nearly killing each other, they bond over the name Martha and become BFFs...Wait, why did superman not just, yanow, throw the spear or get Wonder woman to do it, or, you know, let go?". He then turns around and goes "Marvel at least knows how to make their story interesting, even if it's silly. It's at least fun to watch and the cinematography doesn't look amateurish". (Mostly Paraphrasing him from memory)
So...Maybe it's just that Marvel's presentation is good and isn't trying to make us take is super seriously, so we ignore some of the silliness and just go along for the ride. And maybe DC's presentation is pretty bad, and is full of holes that make you go "Wait, I'm supposed to take this seriously? What?"
No I got your point before I posted. We all have our tastes, and No one has to justify their tastes to anyone else and arguing over taste is just so much wasted time.BeetleManiac said:
But I take Superheroes Seriously. The moment comic book pushed away from the campy Silver Age into the modern age and stories like Watchmen and such showed me how I can take Superheroes seriously.aegix drakan said:
I don't want cheese in my Superheroes what I want is epic.
I think you misunderstand.Samtemdo8 said:
Superhero stuff CAN be serious and epic (see Watchmen). I'm saying that DC movies have consistently had bad writing (and bad presentation) that leaves enough holes in it that it causes people to be torn out of the serious experience they're trying to present.
And that we notice and judge the movies harsher than Marvel's stuff because when we're trying to take something seriously, we notice flaws a lot more.
I mean, look at it this way. If you hit an invisible wall in a Mario game, you go "Aw, shit, I can't go that way" and then carry on your merry way without your enjoyment being totally ruined.. But if you hit an invisible wall in the middle of a set-piece moment in Deus Ex or Assassin's creed, you'll be torn out of the experience and go "Oh come on, what the hell I should totally be able to go that way! Lazy hack developers!" and judge the game more harshly as a result.
I would REALLY like for DC to deliver on epic and serious superhero stuff. Variety is nice, and having some thought-provoking epicness alongside the more fun movies is definitely a good thing.
The Dark Knight trilogy delivered on the goods, and I liked it. But their current stuff isn't really delivering. It feels like they're taking a typical superhero plot and just painting it black and going "Yup, that's epic enough" and throwing it out there without bothering to patch up obvious problems.
Its not that people like what I don't like, its that companies know people like what I don't, so now everything will be like what people like what I don't like. There will be no room for my niche for Superheroes because other people's taste is the majority.BeetleManiac said:
It'll be all Guardians of the Galaxy clones and no Watchmen or things like Kingdom Come.
But if this is getting off topic for you and I am missing the point, than I shall stop now.