I don't smoke it (although I know people who do) but it should be legalized and taxed, just like alcohol and tobacco.
Poll: Legalize cannabis Yay or Nay
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I myself don't know the price it goes for, but since it isn't regulated by the government (one good thing if it were to be legalised), the dealers pretty much set the prices.Chairman Miaow said:
And since people don't always pay, they begin to build up debts, so they steal to pay off those debts >.>
Last thing that was stolen from me that I noticed was the Futurama series 1 box set, brand new >.>
Went straight towards funding someone's drug habits.
If I remember correctly, it was a gift from my step-dad >.>
Well no one forces people to use it, I don't use it but last time I checked it doesn't fuck people up like heroin or crystal meth, and it could be sold to stimulate the financial economy, I don't see a problem in legally selling it.
I guess the way you should look at this is if even an extremely low toxicity drug should be outlawed then surely cigarettes and alcoholic drinks should be outlawed as well because they have the same 'risks' if you will as cannabis.
This would also give drug dealers less stuff to sell, i'd rather give money to the goverment than some evil berk who wants self-profits on your problems.
Then again, like I said, I don't use cannabis so I don't really think my oppinions valid in this arguement.
I guess the way you should look at this is if even an extremely low toxicity drug should be outlawed then surely cigarettes and alcoholic drinks should be outlawed as well because they have the same 'risks' if you will as cannabis.
This would also give drug dealers less stuff to sell, i'd rather give money to the goverment than some evil berk who wants self-profits on your problems.
Then again, like I said, I don't use cannabis so I don't really think my oppinions valid in this arguement.
You seem to assume that legalising pot would mean you'd still be buying off dealers. This is incorrect, although the dealers would be affected.Greyfox105 said:
- Legalising pot would put the dealers out of business almost instantly, as you could get much cheaper weed in higher amounts at the store than going to a (supposedly) dodgy dealer for what's little more than a gram for ten pounds.
- This means those dealers have to do something else to make money, and will likely do one of three things; Continue growing, but grow much better and more potent stuff than the more than likely weak stuff you'd be able to buy in stores; Get a job, more than likely at some warehouse/farm to make shit loads of the stuff; or just have to turn to dealing harder drugs and committing further crime.
Unfortunately, it's not exactly a brilliant proposal for legalising it considering the third possible event of legalisation.
This is why decriminalisation would work a lot better, although prevents government intervention if things continue to go wrong:
- Dealers can continue to function at a much higher rate, no longer having to be 'shifty' or 'dodgy' to sell some weed.
- Anyone could grow it and start dealing, meaning deals would be much higher for cheaper, and also allowing those that simply aren't dodgy to begin dealing among friends without risking ridiculous fines.
- Of course, the main problem with this is the lack of tax money going to the government, so they would unlikely be prepared to decriminalise pot as then they lose both tax money from potential alternatives to decriminalisation, AND money they receive through fines. Although the lack of extensive prison time may help ease the loss of money a little, it's still not a brilliant sell.
So essentially we need both the ideas of legalisation (which when it comes to drugs it's generally regulated by the government entirely, rendering non-liscensed vendors illegal if they sell alcohol, cigarettes or medicines) and decriminalisation (so anyone for any reason can grow personal smoke and stuff to sell).
It's all a big mess thanks to it being criminalised in the first place to be honest.
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I say nayHunter65416 said:
for lots of reasons I won't flood you with
but in short
no one pull the "well you want THIS illegal but you still want cigs and alcohol?!"
to which I would say "I don't like those either, and considering how many times I've been ran over (or my mailbox has been ran over) by drunks and how often I've been hospitalized because a smoker prick blew a ton of smoke in my face triggering an asthma attack..."
yeah you do the math... I kinda hate all drugs; well all recreation drugs, they cause more harm then help
It's no worse than Alcohol or tobacco, so why not? It would almost certainly put the dealers out of business. Also, in one of my classes last year my teacher (who was very much for the legalization of all drugs) asked a girl if she would still take cannabis if it was legal and guess what... She said "No".
Never met a dealer in my life who would sell weed on credit. It doesn't happen. Weed is far too common for a dealer to risk losing his money that way. Any weed buyer in debt to one dealer would just find another. Heroin dealers sell on credit because they know that the buyer will be back for more, and will do anything possible to prevent withdrawal, including theft. Far more likely that anyone stealing for drugs is stealing for a drug he can't do without, ie crack/heroin. Those drugs induce withdrawal symptons, debilitating withdrawal symptons, exhaustion like you wouldn't believe. Getting off (prescribed) diazepam was on of the most awful experiencse of my life, i would have resorted to theft to pay to get rid of that.Greyfox105 said:
On the other hand, i've never had a problem taking tolerance breaks from weed.
Wheres your evidence for anything that you're saying? How on earth do you know that your futurama box set was stolen in order to pay for weed?
Amen to that. While I personally have no use for it, it's never been a problem that it's legal here. No reason not to legalize everywhere.rokkolpo said:
If you want to meet them, come to where I live. It is all very nice saying they will just go to another if they get in debt, but when the dealer knows where the people live, and it is a small area so the few dealers know each other, the others are unlikely to sell on credit if one says that the buyer isn't going to pay. If the buyer refuses to pay, things go "missing". Permanently.Shpongled said:
And I know it was stolen for fueling a cannabis habit becasue the person who stole it was also caught stealing other things for the same reason a number of other times.
And I know that person rather well, seeing as he lived in the same house as me >.>
Soon after, I had my door reversed so the hinges are on the inside, and a lock installed. Nothing has gone missing since.
Well, the person responsible was kicked out, but it doesn't hurt to be careful.
I say YAY. I actually did a speech on legalizing cannabis at school. I found some incredible info. on the benefits of it. Here are a few:
1. In ancient China and Taiwan it was considered a part of the 50 "fundamental" herbs traditionally used in Chinese medicine as well as a food source
2. America?s first marijuana law was enacted at Jamestown Colony, Virginia in 1619. It was a law ?ordering? all farmers to grow Indian hempseed. There were several other ?must grow? laws over the next 200 years (you could be jailed for not growing hemp during times of shortage in Virginia between 1763 and 1767), and during most of that time, hemp was legal tender you could even pay your taxes with hemp.
3. With Alzheimer's disease, the active ingredient THC, is thought to prevent the formation of "Alzheimer plaques" in the brain and is believed to do it better than commercial drugs already on the market.
4. In 2006, medical doctor Donald Tashkin presented results of his study, "Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study." It shows that Tashkin discovered that smoking cannabis even heavily, didn't appear to increase the risk of lung cancer. He concludes that, "It's possible that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in marijuana smoke may encourage apoptosis, or programmed cell death, causing cells to die off before they have a chance to undergo malignant transformation."
5. . Here is a list of other applications marijuana could be effective with: breast cancer, brain cancer, AIDS, nausea, vomiting, premenstrual syndrome, neurogenic pain, movement disorders, glaucoma, asthma, migraines, fibromyalgia, multiple sclerosis, spinal cord injuries, panic attacks, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, rheumatoid arthritis, autism, bipolar disorder, depression, epilepsy, hypertension, leukemia, morning sickness, Parkinson's disease, posttraumatic stress disorder, sickle-cell disease, childhood mental disorders, colorectal cancer, and sleep apnea to name a few.
6. . When hemp used as a biomass fuel burns, it produces CO2 (the major cause of the greenhouse effect), the same as fossil fuel; but during the growth cycle of the plant, photosynthesis removes as much CO2 from the air as burning the biomass adds, so hemp actually cleans the atmosphere. After the first cycle there is no further loading to the atmosphere. And is much less smelly than kerosene based lamp oil. Oil from hemp seeds can power existing diesel engines, with reduced sulfur and carbon monoxide emissions. Bio-mass (vegetation or plant matter) fuels such as methanol (wood alcohol) can power modified gasoline engines, or supply hydrogen for fuel cell applications.
7. It can be used to make paper instead of cutting down trees which take 50 to 100 years to mature, cannabis only takes 100 days.
8. It can be used for building materials too.
It's economic value is astonishing, hopefully those that are in authority will eventually open their eyes or hearts long enough to make this amazing plant legal to grow anywhere and everywhere.
1. In ancient China and Taiwan it was considered a part of the 50 "fundamental" herbs traditionally used in Chinese medicine as well as a food source
2. America?s first marijuana law was enacted at Jamestown Colony, Virginia in 1619. It was a law ?ordering? all farmers to grow Indian hempseed. There were several other ?must grow? laws over the next 200 years (you could be jailed for not growing hemp during times of shortage in Virginia between 1763 and 1767), and during most of that time, hemp was legal tender you could even pay your taxes with hemp.
3. With Alzheimer's disease, the active ingredient THC, is thought to prevent the formation of "Alzheimer plaques" in the brain and is believed to do it better than commercial drugs already on the market.
4. In 2006, medical doctor Donald Tashkin presented results of his study, "Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study." It shows that Tashkin discovered that smoking cannabis even heavily, didn't appear to increase the risk of lung cancer. He concludes that, "It's possible that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in marijuana smoke may encourage apoptosis, or programmed cell death, causing cells to die off before they have a chance to undergo malignant transformation."
5. . Here is a list of other applications marijuana could be effective with: breast cancer, brain cancer, AIDS, nausea, vomiting, premenstrual syndrome, neurogenic pain, movement disorders, glaucoma, asthma, migraines, fibromyalgia, multiple sclerosis, spinal cord injuries, panic attacks, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, rheumatoid arthritis, autism, bipolar disorder, depression, epilepsy, hypertension, leukemia, morning sickness, Parkinson's disease, posttraumatic stress disorder, sickle-cell disease, childhood mental disorders, colorectal cancer, and sleep apnea to name a few.
6. . When hemp used as a biomass fuel burns, it produces CO2 (the major cause of the greenhouse effect), the same as fossil fuel; but during the growth cycle of the plant, photosynthesis removes as much CO2 from the air as burning the biomass adds, so hemp actually cleans the atmosphere. After the first cycle there is no further loading to the atmosphere. And is much less smelly than kerosene based lamp oil. Oil from hemp seeds can power existing diesel engines, with reduced sulfur and carbon monoxide emissions. Bio-mass (vegetation or plant matter) fuels such as methanol (wood alcohol) can power modified gasoline engines, or supply hydrogen for fuel cell applications.
7. It can be used to make paper instead of cutting down trees which take 50 to 100 years to mature, cannabis only takes 100 days.
8. It can be used for building materials too.
It's economic value is astonishing, hopefully those that are in authority will eventually open their eyes or hearts long enough to make this amazing plant legal to grow anywhere and everywhere.
I see it in the same way I see alcohol. Not something I would ever want to try but it shouldn't be illegal for those who want it.