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Shnoogle

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murphy7801 said:
Shnoogle said:
Im british so level the u please. Anyway there's loads psychological research papers been printed on the mental side effects of cannabis. Hear's a little summary http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cannabis-linked-with-mental-health-problems-1623187.html . My mother has looked in the research and some of the up and coming research (she is a DR of psychology) and basically all looks bad any mental illness possibility or even may cause it.
I wasn't trying to be argumentative, just making the point that there has been literally billions of dollars spent over the last 70-odd years demonising canabis. Most of the propaganda was at least misleading, if not outright lies. I'm also not saying that consuming weed is problem free. At the end of the day, people commonly suffer from mental issues and physical issues from alcohol abuse. Any substance can have the capacity to harm in large quantities, or from extended exposure. It just seems to me that as alcohol and weed have both been consumed by humans for thousands of years, it is strange that evidence of the alleged mental health implications of consuming marijuana is only just coming to light. It has been commonly known that excessive consumption of alcohol can lead to mental health issues for almost as long as man has been making alcohol. If the mental health implications of marijuana usage were as severe as some "experts" would have us believe, then why is it only now in recent years that this is coming to light? In my mind, everyone has the right to abuse their own system with whatever they wish.... but only if they limit that abuse to themselves. Forcing third parties to suffer due to your addictions is both morally wrong and cowardly and should be punished accordingly. Unbiased education about the proven ill-effects of all intoxicants is the right of all children and adults in a free society. Give people the real facts about drugs (including alcohol and tobacco) and they can make an informed decision.

PS Is this a levelled "U" _? :D Just kidding!
Well the ability to research mental illness has advanced so much recently mris and the application of logical techniques. Also funding in the area has massively increased. But basically doing cannabis even once seems to have some very mild mental effects which progress quite rapidly progress because seems to make brain growth develop in very unhealthy ways. oh and leave the u lol
I can see that brain growth could be affected by outside stimulants, but from what I understand, the majority of growth happens pre-natally and in the 2-3 years post-natal. So the ill-effects on the growing brain would be limited to second-hand consumption or the sadistic force feeding of an infant. There is a known correlation between consumption of alcohol, cigarettes etc by pregnant women and fetal damage, so using marijuana while pregnant should be viewed as a immoral thing to do. Anyone who does recreational drugs while pregnant is knowingly harming an innocent.

It's great to see a good debate on the subject of the legalisation of marijuana, but the fact remains that it is illegal in most countries. Whether this is right or wrong, currently you can get a criminal record for possession, ruin your chances of a decent career due to such and also you can become a social pariah. Whether this is fair or not, this is the situation we live with. People consume recreational drugs despite the inherent legal and social risks. Legalising (or decriminalising) marijuana would only remove the legal issues. The social and career obsticles could still exist. Getting constantly stoned, drunk etc isn't conducive to being a productive employee or member of society.
 

Shnoogle

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Hephaesto, you make some good points there. Some other contributors would help their point of view if they gave us a better understanding of why they feel the way they do (which ever side of the argument they stand for).
 

LordSnakeEyes

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1- No offense: it's Marijuana not Marajuana (For Spelling, not semantics)

2- If politicians were smart, they'd legalize it and make it a government-funded/owned Company, making it not only legal (yay) but also profitable (double yay).

3- To be perfectly honest with ourselves; even if it isn't legalized, people will still smoke it, hence there'll always be those who will see this profit and start selling. Thus, it's not only pointless to make it illegal, it's costly as the "war on drugs" waged by the law is an expensive endeavor to fund.

4- Alcohol, Cigarettes and Automobiles cause more damage (in cars cases; statistically more deaths) than weed. So making weed legal: not that bad an idea. Making the former three illegal: well... save cigarettes... it wouldn't work.
Although for the sake of speculation; let's say this were to happen; no more cars/cigarettes/alcohol.... What would happen? Answer: No more Drunks (good ridance... no offense), No more cigarettes (the world would smell better and people would die less.. not to mention people would finally be healthier than a three-legged ashmatic cat) and no more cars... Yeah that's right; no more cars. Why? They pollute, they (statistically) kill thousands a year and anyway, people would be less over-weight if they walked/ used a bike.

5- Case in point; Should it be legalized: Well duh, but only if controlled (IE avoid abusing of it because it can cause damage). Will it be legalized? I doubt politicians have the brains to pull it off. If ever legalized, should it be released in unlimited quantities and be for sale at your local dealer? No. People (statistically speaking... again... and of course always omiting escapist members) are dumb, they'll smoke themselves retarded.
 

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murphy7801 said:
because its proven to give you mental illness no thanks
It sure can...if it is abused. Of course there is that same argument you hear all the time, even pizza can be deadly and cause illness if abused (or used in excess).

A lot of what I want to say has been said in excess:
It's not that harmful
You can tax it
People use it anyway
etc.

The only thing left that I want to say is that a lot of the drug trade would stop if MJ became commercially available. Look a Alcohol prohibition, because it was illegal people would brew their own and traffic it to others. However, as soon as it became legal companies started to produce their own and made it readily available. The fact is, people pay for convenience. Could the alcohol trade have continued? Sure, but there was no way they could actually compete with a large company. It was no longer worth doing. I could easily see the same thing happening to marijuana.
 

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pompom8volt said:
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I think I'd need to know more about the argument for having it legalized. I know there are arguments for it, I just have no idea what they are.

My current standing is: Harmful drug = do not legalize.
well first theres the whole 'not harmful drug' thing...
and then theres the 'no more money for gangs when you can buy it at a pharmacy' thing...
then theres the whole 'taxation= more money for the country and less spent on anti-weed cop raids' thing...

just a few of them...
Not to mention the whole "It isn't physically addicting thing" (you can form an addiction but it isn't caused by anything in the drug, sorta like TV and video games.)
well i combined that with the whole 'not harmful thing' because an addiction is harmful... so yeah thats kinda in there...
 

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In a way I think that if we made it legal yeah it would still be fun to do but in anouther way the "mystery" would be taken outta it so it wouldn't be so "fun". The best way to explain that is its like a kid doin somethin for the first time they feel "awesome" idk I hope this makes sense to someone lol.
 

teisjm

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The effect weed has on you is far less dangerous than the criminals owning the market.
 

Dioxide20

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I say legalize it. It may reduce gang violence. And if the government is smart, they can allow it to be sold everywhere and then TAX it. It may be the best solution to ending the recession.
 

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kickin wiing said:
DVSAurion said:
It's a drug (even a mild one is one), why legalize it?
Have you forgotten alcohol and tobacco are legalized drugs?
KA-SNAP!!!
OT: I would say no. No offense to the stoners users, i just dont see the point of going to a party to have a great time to sit around and chill......
 

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I could care less what they do for I live in the Stix and the nearest police station is fifty miles away on an indian reservation, It grows more then corn here and I love it.

I personally have a distinct hatred for every other illegal drug out there, every single other drug I want utterly destroyed off the face of the earth, but pot is a lovely thing.
 

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grimsprice said:
pompom8volt said:
grimsprice said:
Mewick_Alex said:
I think I'd need to know more about the argument for having it legalized. I know there are arguments for it, I just have no idea what they are.

My current standing is: Harmful drug = do not legalize.
well first theres the whole 'not harmful drug' thing...
and then theres the 'no more money for gangs when you can buy it at a pharmacy' thing...
then theres the whole 'taxation= more money for the country and less spent on anti-weed cop raids' thing...

just a few of them...
Not to mention the whole "It isn't physically addicting thing" (you can form an addiction but it isn't caused by anything in the drug, sorta like TV and video games.)
well i combined that with the whole 'not harmful thing' because an addiction is harmful... so yeah thats kinda in there...
Right, just thought I'd cover all the bases.
 

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Yes, provided it's subjected to the same rules as alcohol and tobacco.

I'm not smoking it though, it's full of tar that will coat your lungs. Oh, it also decreases the flow of blood to your brain which can kill brain cells. It's also habit-forming and can make you care a lot less about the world around you.

You know what? I don't think I do support legalising marijuana, every pothead I know is lazy as hell. The last thing we need is more lazy as hell idiots. Yes, medical (actually is already legal for that here) No, recreational. Why the hell do we need recreational drugs anyway? Might as well make tobacco illegal while we're at it.
 

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Mewick_Alex said:
I think I'd need to know more about the argument for having it legalized. I know there are arguments for it, I just have no idea what they are.

My current standing is: Harmful drug = do not legalize.
Find Pen and Tellers bullshit war on drugs episode (you tube has them) and there is a good comic out there based on 'a Christmas carol' by Charles Dickens but I am having trouble finding it again (on edit: http://www.adrugwarcarol.com/ ). Explains the history of drug use and how things where made far worse by prohibition.

The fact is cannabis was made illegal based around some moral crusade, not on scientific fact. Compounded by the fact it competed with some industries that had good pulling with the press (Hearst owned paper pulping and news print organisations, for example) and they wanted to get rid of a cheaper, safer and easier to manufacture competitor to boost sales. Didn't help that it was used heavily by the black community and was targeted by politicians like Nixon for the simple fact they wanted to kill the black and 'hippy' culture. Greed, racism and 'I know better then you' where the key drives to ban cannabis.

It is a non-toxic, non-physically addictive*, substance that has less devastating effects, in general population, then alcohol. It is kept illegal simply because it makes a good 'dead horse' to beat against by politicians who want to look 'tough on crime' simply as many are like yourself. They have no real clue about the issue and so are willing to believe what a politician tells them about Cannabis and drugs in general.

Personally I think all drugs should be regulated and those who have a true problem with them should be given medical help. They might never get completely 'off the horse' but they can become productive members of society if we focused on that over locking them up!

*Mentally yes, but if you want to ban everything that can be addicted to mentally then we have to start with the internet! Also will have to ban nearly everything else, including sex. If it is fun so our minds will want to repeat the experience, simple fact....
 

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jboking said:
murphy7801 said:
because its proven to give you mental illness no thanks
It sure can...if it is abused. Of course there is that same argument you hear all the time, even pizza can be deadly and cause illness if abused (or used in excess).

A lot of what I want to say has been said in excess:
It's not that harmful
You can tax it
People use it anyway
etc.

The only thing left that I want to say is that a lot of the drug trade would stop if MJ became commercially available. Look a Alcohol prohibition, because it was illegal people would brew their own and traffic it to others. However, as soon as it became legal companies started to produce their own and made it readily available. The fact is, people pay for convenience. Could the alcohol trade have continued? Sure, but there was no way they could actually compete with a large company. It was no longer worth doing. I could easily see the same thing happening to marijuana.
Actually smoking it once a month still count as abuse since seems induce loads borderline mental illness.
 

murphy7801

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Shnoogle said:
murphy7801 said:
Shnoogle said:
Im british so level the u please. Anyway there's loads psychological research papers been printed on the mental side effects of cannabis. Hear's a little summary http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cannabis-linked-with-mental-health-problems-1623187.html . My mother has looked in the research and some of the up and coming research (she is a DR of psychology) and basically all looks bad any mental illness possibility or even may cause it.
I wasn't trying to be argumentative, just making the point that there has been literally billions of dollars spent over the last 70-odd years demonising canabis. Most of the propaganda was at least misleading, if not outright lies. I'm also not saying that consuming weed is problem free. At the end of the day, people commonly suffer from mental issues and physical issues from alcohol abuse. Any substance can have the capacity to harm in large quantities, or from extended exposure. It just seems to me that as alcohol and weed have both been consumed by humans for thousands of years, it is strange that evidence of the alleged mental health implications of consuming marijuana is only just coming to light. It has been commonly known that excessive consumption of alcohol can lead to mental health issues for almost as long as man has been making alcohol. If the mental health implications of marijuana usage were as severe as some "experts" would have us believe, then why is it only now in recent years that this is coming to light? In my mind, everyone has the right to abuse their own system with whatever they wish.... but only if they limit that abuse to themselves. Forcing third parties to suffer due to your addictions is both morally wrong and cowardly and should be punished accordingly. Unbiased education about the proven ill-effects of all intoxicants is the right of all children and adults in a free society. Give people the real facts about drugs (including alcohol and tobacco) and they can make an informed decision.

PS Is this a levelled "U" _? :D Just kidding!
Well the ability to research mental illness has advanced so much recently mris and the application of logical techniques. Also funding in the area has massively increased. But basically doing cannabis even once seems to have some very mild mental effects which progress quite rapidly progress because seems to make brain growth develop in very unhealthy ways. oh and leave the u lol
I can see that brain growth could be affected by outside stimulants, but from what I understand, the majority of growth happens pre-natally and in the 2-3 years post-natal. So the ill-effects on the growing brain would be limited to second-hand consumption or the sadistic force feeding of an infant. There is a known correlation between consumption of alcohol, cigarettes etc by pregnant women and fetal damage, so using marijuana while pregnant should be viewed as a immoral thing to do. Anyone who does recreational drugs while pregnant is knowingly harming an innocent.

It's great to see a good debate on the subject of the legalisation of marijuana, but the fact remains that it is illegal in most countries. Whether this is right or wrong, currently you can get a criminal record for possession, ruin your chances of a decent career due to such and also you can become a social pariah. Whether this is fair or not, this is the situation we live with. People consume recreational drugs despite the inherent legal and social risks. Legalising (or decriminalising) marijuana would only remove the legal issues. The social and career obsticles could still exist. Getting constantly stoned, drunk etc isn't conducive to being a productive employee or member of society.
Well actually brain development is continual how we record memory learn cannabis seems to make parts of the brain associated with mental illness become more active therefore strengthening them and developing them. I would like to just added that if had no really worse side effects than smoking wouldn't have a problem I'm not biased just I fear losing my mind than effects of a few drinks.
 

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Flunk said:
Yes, provided it's subjected to the same rules as alcohol and tobacco.

I'm not smoking it though, it's full of tar that will coat your lungs. Oh, it also decreases the flow of blood to your brain which can kill brain cells. It's also habit-forming and can make you care a lot less about the world around you.

You know what? I don't think I do support legalising marijuana, every pothead I know is lazy as hell. The last thing we need is more lazy as hell idiots. Yes, medical (actually is already legal for that here) No, recreational. Why the hell do we need recreational drugs anyway? Might as well make tobacco illegal while we're at it.
I don't like the reasoning: I don't need this so no one should be able to have it.
 

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We shouldn't legalize it because several cigarette company already have patents for their particular brand of blunt and I think we can all agree we don't want these people to have more money but the amount of money we spend trying to enforce the ban is also ridicules. We should decriminalize it but make it technically still illegal so the company's can't start selling it. A nice little slap on the wrist and a $15 fine for anyone found smoking it eh?
 

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Yes, for the love of cheese, legalize it, so potheads never have anything to actually talk about again.