Poll: ME3 - Aren't You Guys Rather Embarressed?

[Setch Dreskar]

While I think certain aspects of the rage are too far, I think BioWare has earned it, after all they constantly brought up as a selling point how vital our choices were to the ending of the franchise, and that the choice wouldn't boil down to A,B,C and yet not only does it but it makes all our choices a moot point.

The aspect of the DLC coming out so far named 'The Truth' had been started before the game was finished, so BioWare knowingly sold us an unfinished game so they could have the real ending set aside for DLC. Of course that is a bit of speculation after all the BioWare backspin of them trying to get us to keep ME3 and that more story was on the way.

Really the next big issue in this is if BioWare will charge us extra money to see the actual ending, or if they will offer it for free. I paid almost 90 USD for the N7 CE, if the DLC isn't free, well aside from being pissed I will act like any responsible consumer and stop consuming.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I thought it was going to far then I took a Citadel to the knee(I don't care how awful that joke is). Overall, no I do not think that we have gone too far as once again it is only a small minority that has gone to far. Many more people have come up with valid points out why they dislike the ending among other things so yes this is a good thing.

 

[bz316]

I approve of every step taken that wasn't a complaint to the FTC. That was just stupid. So put me as an "Other".

 

[WalkableBuffalo]

Yes, it is going a bit far, but if you are unhappy with something you don't have to sit around doing nothing, so I support them

 

[Savagezion]

Sure, if you sell a faulty product believing it to be working OK and it turns out it doesn't and you get injured for it the one who sold it is responsible. However Mass Effect 3 is not a faulty product. If the story didn't end the way you want it, then that's subjective. A story with a poor ending and a car without working breaks can't really be compared by any law.

So here is where you're wrong. Their subjective statements about the game doesn't match your subjective statement of the game. That does not mean they told an objective lie. I think I'll leave it at that.

What are you talking about? Did you read my post at all? No, if I sell you the book "Twilight: New Moon" and tell you it is a book about Frankenstein and that it definitely isn't about vampires because a book about vampires would be terrible, that is falsely advertising. That is what happened in Mass Effect. Those quotes in the link are specific. This isn't us saying Bioware lied because they said the ending is gonna be 'awesome' or some other subjective statement. They said very specific things that turned out to be very specifically the opposite. Some of these things were said while the games were being shipped out to stores.

"[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers."

"The trick is, because it?s a BioWare game, there will be more than one ending. Which means there?s more than one ending to Shepard?s story. It?s not a matter of saying, ?Here?s an optimal ending.? There?s gonna be different options, different endings."

Those were stated in an interview on Feb 28, 2012. 1 week before copies could be sold at retail. The game was finished and in shipment.

"There are many different endings. We wouldn?t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can?t
say any more than that?"

March 5, 2012 in response to the leak on the internet and word spreading the game had only 3 endings that were all the same except for color. They lied specifically to deter people away from the leaked info. That was 1 day before the release of the game.

If you see that as merely subjective, then let me know when you are in the market for a car and I will sell one to you. Just know that I can't go below asking price, the car cost me exactly whatever price I happen to relay to you. I also know just the car. After you fill out a questionnaire, its crazy how likely this car was made to your tastes even if you don't realize it.

 

[Tony2077]

FTC complaint - are you kidding me?!?!?!?!? taking it a bit to far

FTC complaints against game developers are not new. Usually whenever something goes wrong with a MMO, from too much downtime for patches to a bad nerf, there's someone on the forums rattling their saber with a FTC complaint.

I actually think it's an expression of how impotent gamers feel in the customer-developer dynamic than a sign of how crazy they are. Which is not to say I support it, because it is crazy, but I more that I understand how things get to the point where people are doing and saying crazy things.

i finished the game and i personally don't see the problem. did anyone go crazy with the ending to deus ex: HR

Well, I guess if YOU didn't see the problem we can pack up and go home!

The ability to understand and recognize perspectives other than your own as valid is the first step on the road to becoming an adult.

so just because i don't have a problem my opinion is mute. there is a ragefest going on if you can't see that then i don't have anything more to say

 

[BloatedGuppy]

so just because i don't have a problem my opinion is mute. there is a ragefest going on if you can't see that then i don't have anything more to say

"Moot".

You are welcome to your opinion. There's a difference between "having an opinion" and "deriding the opinion of others".

 

[Valdus]

I think the first day DLC complaints where legit.

The ending complaints? Sorry, but games are allowed to be bad. There are plenty of games with worse endings and even worse parts all over, yet I don't see any petition to change them. Like it or not the ending is never going to be as good as the fanboys imagined. The "false advertising" element of it I can see, but quite frankly I don't think that's why people are pissed. They're pissed because it just plain sucks and they can't handle their precious Mass Effect being not perfect in their eyes.

Seriously, the hype over the ending has been worse than the attempts to weasel money of the fans...Whaaat? Why the hell is that the case? It just plain shouldn't be.

 

[Thoric485]

Overall i'm embarassed that EA is still in business. I'm happy that now there's splintering even in those who buy their crap.

And i find if the pretty funny that EAware bring up the matter of "art" since they don't handle their games like art at all. They cut them up and monetize them in the most damaging ways, they instert hamfisted cameos, they invest more in marketing than in actual development.

They treat their works like simple products, yet now they want to hide behind artistic integrity? I don't think so.

 

[Rariow]

I picked "other", but what I really meant was "both".

Yes, the ending was horrible. I'm not going to discuss that. I'm happy people are fighting for this: Games are art, and this kind of emotion, genuine indignation, is, I think, something only art can bring to this massive a scale. The Jimquisition's last episode pretty much is all about that. However, things have gone out of scale. Whilst this is worth fighting for, it's not worth this kind off rage from people. Yeah, an AMAZING series of games ended on a bad note. So what? You have the right to be angry, but some people outright DEMANDING, as though they have any sort of right to control BioWare, they change it is just over the top. The ending was like a burglar that's come into your house. It makes you furious. However, the reaction is like nuking your house to get rid of the burglar. Completely over the top.

 

[Tony2077]

so just because i don't have a problem my opinion is mute. there is a ragefest going on if you can't see that then i don't have anything more to say

"Moot".

You are welcome to your opinion. There's a difference between "having an opinion" and "deriding the opinion of others".

so your saying i should sit back and watch them bully bioware into changing the ending. works for me see ya

 

[zefiris]

Picture yourself as a non-gamer looking into this. Or even watching, from a distance, fans of a franchise you don't like making a fuss over a similar issue.

You mean like Sherlock Holmes fans did? Their complaining got us several literary classics we wouldn't have gotten without fans.

Seriously. As a non-gamer, you'd just think "wait, those people got a falsely advertized product and are complaining? Seems their right to do so, whatever.". And then you'd forget about it.

The only people that are embarassing themselves are people like you, because you seem to be ignorant of fundamental customer rights.
And BTW: I never even bought mass effect 3, and never planned to. I have zero investment in the ending, but I do support customer rights against fools that discard them to not be ~*~embarassed~*~.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I picked "other", but what I really meant was "both".

Yes, the ending was horrible. I'm not going to discuss that. I'm happy people are fighting for this: Games are art, and this kind of emotion, genuine indignation, is, I think, something only art can bring to this massive a scale. The Jimquisition's last episode pretty much is all about that. However, things have gone out of scale. Whilst this is worth fighting for, it's not worth this kind off rage from people. Yeah, an AMAZING series of games ended on a bad note. So what? You have the right to be angry, but some people outright DEMANDING, as though they have any sort of right to control BioWare, they change it is just over the top. The ending was like a burglar that's come into your house. It makes you furious. However, the reaction is like nuking your house to get rid of the burglar. Completely over the top.

Well, this is a problem with polarized discourse. Bioware/EA needs to take a share of the blame in letting things get to this point, and not just because of that shameful ending. When you have an incestuous relationship with the gaming media, and you use that same media to attack your fan base in response to criticism, things are going to take an ugly turn. It should be humiliating for the industry as a whole that fucking FORBES was one of the only media outlets covering this debacle with even a whiff of objectivity.

so your saying i should sit back and watch them bully bioware into changing the ending. works for me see ya

No by all means you should continue name calling on forums. It's super productive and reflects really well on you.

 

[Tony2077]

I picked "other", but what I really meant was "both".

Yes, the ending was horrible. I'm not going to discuss that. I'm happy people are fighting for this: Games are art, and this kind of emotion, genuine indignation, is, I think, something only art can bring to this massive a scale. The Jimquisition's last episode pretty much is all about that. However, things have gone out of scale. Whilst this is worth fighting for, it's not worth this kind off rage from people. Yeah, an AMAZING series of games ended on a bad note. So what? You have the right to be angry, but some people outright DEMANDING, as though they have any sort of right to control BioWare, they change it is just over the top. The ending was like a burglar that's come into your house. It makes you furious. However, the reaction is like nuking your house to get rid of the burglar. Completely over the top.

Well, this is a problem with polarized discourse. Bioware/EA needs to take a share of the blame in letting things get to this point, and not just because of that shameful ending. When you have an incestuous relationship with the gaming media, and you use that same media to attack your fan base in response to criticism, things are going to take an ugly turn. It should be humiliating for the industry as a whole that fucking FORBES was one of the only media outlets covering this debacle with even a whiff of objectivity.

so your saying i should sit back and watch them bully bioware into changing the ending. works for me see ya

No by all means you should continue name calling on forums. It's super productive and reflects really well on you.

so without zeel here i turn into the resident asshole well you have to be good at something i suppose

 

[BloatedGuppy]

so without zeel here i turn into the resident asshole well you have to be good at something i suppose

I don't know about that. I'm afraid that title belongs to Zeel in perpetuity.

 

[Tony2077]

so without zeel here i turn into the resident asshole well you have to be good at something i suppose

I don't know about that. I'm afraid that title belongs to Zeel in perpetuity.

sounds like i'm a second rate asshole then hmm sounds like an insult then again maybe not

 

[IamLEAM1983]

Yes, I'm embarrassed by the ME3 fan rage. I've discussed why amply enough in other threads. Quite frankly, I think this whole situation could be summed up with a Greedy Larfleeze Meme Generator image. Something along the lines of:

"HATE MASS EFFECT 3'S ENDING, COURT MARSHALL DEVELOPERS FOR INSUBORDINATION."

I thought the gaming community was mature and willing to discuss difficult issues, and then this shitstorm rolls around. I'm also pretty tired of people assuming that because this is an EA game developed by BioWare, the very idea that the devs could have wanted to explore difficult choices becomes impossible to accept. As if all AAA devs had to stick to standard Hollywood tropes.

The endings do indeed suck, but it's BioWare's decision and prerogative to shape them however they want. I don't like it? Tough luck. Contrary to what many people believe, I have zero authorial control as a fan.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

The endings do indeed suck, but it's BioWare's decision and prerogative to shape them however they want. I don't like it? Tough luck. Contrary to what many people believe, I have zero authorial control as a fan.

That's curious. Bioware's most recent statements indicate they'll be addressing the endings in response to fan concerns.

Reality does not seem to support your statement. Would you care to revise it?

I thought the gaming community was mature and willing to discuss difficult issues, and then this shitstorm rolls around. I'm also pretty tired of people assuming that because this is an EA game developed by BioWare, the very idea that the devs could have wanted to explore difficult choices becomes impossible to accept. As if all AAA devs had to stick to standard Hollywood tropes.

And this is a fucking straw man, and you know it, and it's getting perfectly exhausting refuting it over and over and over and over and over. If you want mature discussions, maybe don't carry on with this rubbish.

Seriously, do you know how ridiculous it is to hear rant after rant by people accusing "gamers" of maturity issues whilst flinging around ad hominem attacks and straw men like it was 75% off day at the logical fallacy store? I know you're capable of discussing this issue like a rational human being, so why you keep defaulting to this idiotic and hyperbolic name calling is seriously beyond me.

 

[Ticonderoga117]

No, I'm not embarrassed. I may not be the most vocal, but I wholeheartedly support the idea here. I feel that while yes, the ending does take a stab at some very thought provoking ideas in the general strain of The Matrix and Dues Ex what have you, I object to the way they execute it here. I liken it to the ideas been gently woven throughout the entire series. It's there, but it's never right in your face. That is until the end of the third game where it comes out and smashes you in the face with a bat. The fallout from this is that we did not get what the head-honchos more or less promised the community (vastly different endings for vastly different game choices). Instead, we get one ending (pretty much) with slight differences in flavor because of this "booyah! Philosophy in your face!" idea. I just wanted an end that makes sense and keeps me in the illusion that "hey, this is how your shep's story ended". While it will by no means be as diverse as something from a pen or paper perspective, a Fallout type ending or something similar would have preserved my illusion much better, which was the whole point of the structure of Mass Effect. So yeah, holding the developers to what they promised is a worthy cause. Especially since they already have my $70. If we don't hold creators to their word and some standards, where will it end? No where good I suspect.

Sorry for the wall of text.
TL;DR: Nothing that hasn't been said before.