Poll: Most Annoying Preachers?
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If that is how you simplify and define your reality, far be it from me to dissuade you, but I am afraid you have not convinced me of anything. Stating that you do not like generalizations, then making one immediately afterword does not serve for a very compelling argument.RMcD94 said:
Think of the Children people... seriously.
People just don't have any trust or faith in their kids, and I think that squanders them, or at least creates some resentment
Or if a parent, just arent able to acknowledge that they might be the problem, and the only one with the solution
That and I tend to group Atheists and Religious soapbox preachers in the same category. Tired of hearing about that subject.
From any side... I'll find out on my own
People just don't have any trust or faith in their kids, and I think that squanders them, or at least creates some resentment
Or if a parent, just arent able to acknowledge that they might be the problem, and the only one with the solution
That and I tend to group Atheists and Religious soapbox preachers in the same category. Tired of hearing about that subject.
From any side... I'll find out on my own
ALL OF THEM...If they start preaching about how wrong I am it is just annoying.
But the for the title of most annoying I can´t decide between religious people and vegetarians/vegans...
The first kind honestly tries to convince me that their deity of the month will punish me if I don´t join their group and live by their rules, and when you say that the modern laws already prevent me from being a dick they still play the punish card.
So that does not in any way count in favor of their deity, does it?
Makes it sound like a crazy bloke with a hate for everyone.
And Vegetarians/Vegans try to persuade me to abandon nature and live herbivoric, to which I reply that while it could be perfecly healthy to live off nothing but plants, I savor the flavor of meat and therefore won´t abandon it in any way possible.
And given our swift and painless methods of killing the animal, I don´t see where we torture them in any way.
Hell instead of just slaughtering the animals, we make all the efford to paralyze them first just because of them.
And while this may sound like a onesided hatespeech, let me just state that I have a female christian vegetarian friend whom I really like because she doesn´t fit into the above stated asshole demografic.
She doesn´t shove my "wrongdoings" down my throat and just accepts that people are different, and I accept that she lives differently, doesn´t like the flavor of meat and believes in a deity.
I have no problem with what people believe to be right unless they start preaching about how wrong it is not to be part of their party.
But the for the title of most annoying I can´t decide between religious people and vegetarians/vegans...
The first kind honestly tries to convince me that their deity of the month will punish me if I don´t join their group and live by their rules, and when you say that the modern laws already prevent me from being a dick they still play the punish card.
So that does not in any way count in favor of their deity, does it?
Makes it sound like a crazy bloke with a hate for everyone.
And Vegetarians/Vegans try to persuade me to abandon nature and live herbivoric, to which I reply that while it could be perfecly healthy to live off nothing but plants, I savor the flavor of meat and therefore won´t abandon it in any way possible.
And given our swift and painless methods of killing the animal, I don´t see where we torture them in any way.
Hell instead of just slaughtering the animals, we make all the efford to paralyze them first just because of them.
And while this may sound like a onesided hatespeech, let me just state that I have a female christian vegetarian friend whom I really like because she doesn´t fit into the above stated asshole demografic.
She doesn´t shove my "wrongdoings" down my throat and just accepts that people are different, and I accept that she lives differently, doesn´t like the flavor of meat and believes in a deity.
I have no problem with what people believe to be right unless they start preaching about how wrong it is not to be part of their party.
What generalization? I'm not talking about people. This has nothing to do with people. This is simply semantics. I'm defining things as they are defined, and trying to explain that to you, and you aren't accepting that's how they are defined, but have instead decided to go with your own definition of agnosticism.Hap2 said:
Heh, and now you understand the grey area a bit more. Everyone's definitions will be different, as will their levels of faith or belief in something. No one is going to one-hundred percent believe or disbelieve something, it is statistically impossible. We are not light switches or computers that run on ones and zeroes, some people may believe in the possiblility of a god, but lack the sufficient proof to fully believe in such an entity.RMcD94 said:
It is not as simple as you make it out to be, but as I said, I am not willing to dissuade a person from their beliefs on how the world works, as long as it does not affect others in a more or less harmful way, indirectly or directly.
Oh, every ones definition will be different.Hap2 said:
Well, I'm going to kill you. But my definition of kill is like your definition of disagree.
You don't need to disbelieve. That is only for explicit atheism. For implicit atheism, it's a lack of a belief. For theism it is a belief.
The first belief is totally irrelevant to theism. It doesn't matter whether you believe in the possibility of a God or not, because that's a totally different belief.
If you don't fully believe in something, you do not believe in it. There is no fully. Do you think God exists? Yes or no. Not sure is simply not an option. It isn't statistically impossible. People aren't computers, but they can't magically make a third option. Oh dear, I don't know if I believe in a God, then you plainly don't. If you believe it you'll know it.
I've tried simplifying this with nice easy questions, but I'm totally confused as to what you don't understand here.
Agnosticism is not claiming you know there is (not) a god.
Gnosticism is claiming you know there is (not) a god.
That is completely separate from atheism, and theism.
Do you need to deliberately believe there aren't five armed laser armed squirrels to not believe in them? No. That'd be stupid. You simply lack of a belief on them. Which makes you an afivearmedlaserarmedsquirrelist.
Personally atheism itself should only mean a lack of belief, by how it's made as a word. And then we should have another two words relating to the believing in a lack of God.
That added absolutely nothing to the debate. You are simply ignoring my points now.Cody211282 said:
I'm noticing that people seem to have a problem with atheists being "preachy". Surely they're doing it wrong? The entire point is that we don't convert people, since we're not an organised religion. :S
OT: Religious people, vegans, and radical feminists (The mad ones, not the women who oppose human trafficking and forced prostitution. I mean, opposing those is pretty normal). The reason why I've lumped them together? Because there's no reasoning with someone who believes you are in the wrong, and refuses to change that belief.
PETA and animal activists have similar tendencies, though.
OT: Religious people, vegans, and radical feminists (The mad ones, not the women who oppose human trafficking and forced prostitution. I mean, opposing those is pretty normal). The reason why I've lumped them together? Because there's no reasoning with someone who believes you are in the wrong, and refuses to change that belief.
PETA and animal activists have similar tendencies, though.
Lots of atheists don't seem to have gotten that memo. I once almost slugged a dude at Christmas dinner, my family is very relaxed about religion, have it, don't, doesn't matter, us kids were never made to go to church except on rare traditional occasions (wedding, funeral, stuff like that) but about 10 years ago my sister, who is notorious for picking bad partners, brought home this dude for Christmas dinner, the one time of the year, seriously the only time of the year, we pray before eating, we don't even do it at Christmas lunch though being Australian that's more a BBQ then anything, and it's not mandatory either.bobknowsall said:
So here he is at a family gathering of people he mostly doesn't know and decides to start preaching about the evils of organised religion and how any rational person is an atheist... at Christmas dinner. I swear my grandfather, an atheist mind you who once refused to swear on the bible in court, looked like he was trying to reduce him to a puddle of goo with just his brain. Thankfully my sister dragged him out of there in short order.
So when people talk about preachy atheists who can be just as big a dicks as any religious person, that's what they mean.