Poll: Mr. Rogers is Evil Apparently, Says Fox and Friends

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DueAccident

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I am not American, and never even saw Mr Rogers until long after childhood, however this news story actually sickens me a little bit. Genuinely sickening that they could attack such a gentle and kind old man.

Sure his message of being special might be dubious to some, not that I agree, but does anyone actually think he intended to warp a generation? Or was he just being a sincerely heartfelt man? I'd hazard most would pick the second. This whole story leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 

demoman_chaos

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THey should hope Mr. Rogers doesn't hear of this. He is the ultimate ninja. The reason he changed his sweater and shoes when he got home was because the blood from his victims only landed on his sweater and shoes. The figurines in the village are made from the bones of his victims, but there is usually not enough left of his victims for him to use so it has taken a long time to build.
 

Dags90

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To be fair, Fox and Friends is an "opinion program" on Fox. It's not supposed to be news. Wouldn't the obvious counter to your T.V. raising your children incorrectly be to raise them yourself?
 

cheese_wizington

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I watched Mr. Rogers every single fucking day when I was a kid.

So It's not my fault if I'm bad at something, I'm special.

And I think I need to improve at shit if I suck at it. Fox News sucks.
 

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I didn't even know the guy before this, but Fox attacking him automatically makes him seem better in my eyes.

And it's pretty strange that the video has got a bad rating although it's marked as "comedy".
 

Therumancer

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They are correct in a general sense, but not in the blame they are putting on Mr. Rogers specifically. While it is not the cause of all problems in society or with "Generation X", the education system in general and it's "self validation" of students has caused a lot of problems. Children are conditioned from an early age with optimistic messages of "your special, you can do anything", including ones that are obviously not going to go anywhere or are severely handicapped. I mean heck, they even do this in "Special Ed." classes with students who can't even go to classes normally. Kids who grow up thinking they really can all be doctors, astronauts, or presidents are of course going to be depressed when as adults they wind up getting into the general rut of existance that is real life. Society is competitive and simply put the world needs far more people at the bottom than at the top, and the best/most gifted/most ruthless people are going to be at the top. Even if "good" by objective standards it's all about how good you are compared to the other guy.

I generally tend to blame most problems nowadays on "The Baby Boomers", that is the generation that were the parents of "Generation X". Not only are there the sociological aspects of "Gen X" being skipped over since the Boomers lived longer than previous generations and never stepped down from their jobs at the same time "Gen Xers" were getting old enough where they would normally be moving into the shoes of the previous generation (which also caused a lot of the social security problems, contributed to the recession, and other issues but it would get well of topics), but the "Baby Boomers" also created and embraced the whole "Peace and Love", anti-goverment counter culture that lead to this kind of self-validation, and ridiculously and impractically optimistic way of looking at the world. Everyone is special, there is no excuse for violence ever (look at an article here on The Escapist about Mcdonalds being griped at for having super hero toys due to the violence inherant in super heroes), and what I view as being a ridiculous amount of anti-goverment sentiment, as justified as protests againt "Vietnam" might have wound up being, there is such a thing as going too far, and I think right now there is a certain idealogy that people think we can all manage to magically have a society without goverment, laws, or any kind of authority figures (which by definition must always be corrupt and evil in every conceivable way).

Simply put I think Mr. Rogers wound up being an extension of this kind of attitude, even if unintentional, rather than one who created it. He's well known, because those of us in "Generation X" all listened to the guy, and he was considered wholesome by our parents because he was saying that they thought were the right things.

Criticisms of this attitude are not new, they simply have been mostly drowned out, largely by liberals who embrace that way of thinking. I'm sure a lot of us remember "Dana Carvey" and his routines where he turned "Special" (as in "isn't that special") into a term of mockery largely based on what kids, especially "Special Ed." kids were being taught, and did elaborate routines mocking the idea, usually involving the most disgusting and retarded thing imaginable happening and then some teacher referring to it as "Special" rather than bad.

You also have the issue of parents hopes and dreams even beyond the boomers, something embodied in attempts to make educational programs like "No Child Left Behind". The pragmatic approach to school is to do testing, single out the kids who really are special to have their talent developed, and then educate the rest in a more pragmatic sense to have realistic expectations and fit in at the level of "worker drones" where they are likely to wind up. However, no parent wants to be told their kid is merely average and is going nowhere special. They want everyone to have the same oppertunities despite not all men being created equal. Passionate arguements are made about people who were considered to be dumb and yet managed to succeed to an overwhelming degree. Battle cries like "Einstein was retarded" are common along with the point that while one of the smartest men ever, he apparently carried a load around in his pants a lot of the time and (allegedly) needed help to clean himself. Given that most kids are going to be average, below average, or exceptional but not exceptional enough to warrent special treatment, this means of course most parents are not going to be happy with a practical school system. Telling every kid they are special even after testing plays to them as well as the kids.

Within all of this is of course the fear that a more practical approach to education and preparing the young for their futures, would turn things into some kind of brainwashed society out of "1984" or "Metropolis" and admittedly I do see the potential for things to
go there if things were not watched carefully.

I guess the overall point I'm making is that I agree with "Fox News" here, not so much on Mr. Rogers being evil, but that an unconditional message of "your special" is a bad thing drill into kids from the near beginning of their life. I think it tends to wind up shattering people who wind up being ordinary, and probably has a lot to do with the massive amount of medication people in America consume for depression, anxiety, and midlife criseses.

That said, Mr. Rogers was very dedicated to helping children, even if he (like many things oriented at young children) seemed creepy if you weren't a child. He was a good man, and if this message wasn't the best thing that could have been put out there he meant well. I also have massive respect for Bill Cosby even if I don't agree with a lot of his politics, because he's also been very dedicated to children's issues and I believe even has a PHD in Children's Education.
 

maturin

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SonicWaffle said:
How many kids shows are there that reinforce the message that everyone is a wonderful unique individual? How many Disney-esque films have hammered the idea into our heads that if we just dream it or wish upon a star, we can do anything?
This is how reality shows like X-Factor make their money; people these days would rather be famous than great. Ask a classroom full of kids whether they'd rather win a Nobel prize or an Oscar, and the results will probably be depressing as fuck.
I'm not sure what the first quote had to do with the second. Why should that make people seek shallow fame instead of more meaningful achievements. It has nothing to do with the goal, only the drive.

Bottom line, we are always going to need people to do boring, menial jobs. People to empty bins or sit in offices all day. When you've been raised to believe your own hype and expect fame and fortune, adjusting to an ordinary life is going to be hard and depressing.
Maybe we should start grooming the redheads and ambidextrous in daycare and show the rest films about janitors? You got to split it up somehow.
 

Marik2

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Suki the Cat said:
Marik2 said:
Suki the Cat said:
Ahahahahaahahah!

Oh my GOD!

I'm sorry, this is just... *waits for American Mothers to freak out*

But seriously... Has it come to the point where things in USA is so bad that they have to blame friggin Mr. Rogers for the country going to shits? Holy crap! Whats next? Seriously, we have some discussion value here; who/what will the media/government blame next?
No stop lumping things in America with FOX nobody cares what they have to say only extremely conservative parents. Dont get your vision of America through FOX there full of crap.
Oh god... That's a massive weight off my chest. Thank you! *wipes sweat* We're safe, for now =p.
LOL did you really think America is filled with terrible kids and parents? :p
 

nuba km

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aren't they in the generation that watched Mr.roger and they are saying the current generation is being destroyed by his message. here is the message that fox is giving with all these types of stories after they go through my anti-bullcrap machine
dear reader,
our generation has been the generation that has become so much more then every other generation. every new-game (in brackets are notes I enter. the games they talk about are normally made for adults) or children TV show that gives them confidence/ tells them about the cruel reality of the world/ tells them the world is good/ or dose something stupid will make them arrogant/ suicidal/ unprepared/ makes them do stupid things is damaging our children. MAKE them go outside and play sports but only if they kick the ball with a limited amount of force and they are wrapped in cotton wool or else they will grow up stupid, murderous, fat and(just like to point out how will a fat guy kill you by sitting on you) suicidal (or have an open mind the horror). don't let them look at anything until they are thirty or else they will rape and eat corpses. don't let them see things that are... experimental and original or else they will from opinions that aren't part of the general populace and turn into communists (if anyone knows what communism stands for they know why that is stupid). don't show them the horrors of the real world they can't handle it it will make them... form there own opinions. don't tell them their special because they will turn arrogant and know what real life is about. they need to be Christian. say no to abortions and stem cell research for they can't help people and killing someone is wrong. capital punishment works (I agree with this point but look at previous point to see why this is stupid). we hate games we haven't seen or played because they involve something designed for mature audience because games are for kids and if they see mature contend they will turn into the anti-Christ. (going to save the rest of this thing for some other time)...
from fox
 

ProfessorLayton

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Well there goes every last ounce of credibility Fox News had... oh, what was that? Nevermind, they didn't have any in the first place.

Ugh... this is probably the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. It really shows you that there is nothing to report about so they just spew crap for hours on end...
 

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Connor Lonske said:
Suki the Cat said:
Ahahahahaahahah!

Oh my GOD!

I'm sorry, this is just... *waits for American Mothers to freak out*

But seriously... Has it come to the point where things in USA is so bad that they have to blame friggin Mr. Rogers for the country going to shits? Holy crap! Whats next? Seriously, we have some discussion value here; who/what will the media/government blame next?
Let me just correct you there, its FOX NEWS that said and believes that, not America as a whole . Almost every single American in the coast knows that Fox bullshit, and not all Americans are the same, but as Mr. Rogers would say, we are all (not just America) special, but some are more special than others it seems.

On the direct topic, Fox news always make me split my sides, but the this takes the cake.
Well, I'm not actually saying all Americans are like that. Nor am I talking about America as a whole. When I say "they" I obviously mean the people that make up all these crazy stories =3

Marik2 said:
LOL did you really think America is filled with terrible kids and parents? :p
I was being ironic ;). I don't think all Americans are like that. Nor did I actually say so in my post. "They" isn't you and Mr. Joe Average of Parkwood Lane, California, I'm talking about the idiots that actually make up/believe this stuff!

Here. Everyone grab a muffin and lets have a good time =).
 

maddawg IAJI

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Your fucking kidding me? What is that stuff doing on the news? You can't blame laziness on a TV show, you can blame it on the person, but saying "MR ROGER DID THIS TO ME!" is not a valid excuse.
 

3geekdee

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When Mr.Rogers said that you are special to kids he meant something entirely different than what he said you are special to fox news.