Poll: MW2 PC hate overblown? YES!

[Danpascooch]

So basicially, because a minority of PC gamers threw a big tantrum the majority who quietly ignored the game have overreacted?

The modern warfare 2 hate is perfectly justified, it's the sixth call of duty game (not counting expansions) and for some reason morons gobble it up and shower it with awards. It did nothing new, took out features and cost more than previous titles, and the worst part is that people though that this subpar game is somehow the best EVAR!!1

The hate is perfectly justified, I won't apologize for thinking it's a shit game anymore than I would for not liking the fucking Jonas Brothers..

I don't think you should apologize for thinking it is a shit game, you are perfectly 100% entitled to that opinion, and if I was a PC gamer I might think much the same.

As long as you don't go freaking nuts over it, anyone is entitled to think the game sucks horrifically.

 

[Danpascooch]

You must really love MW2 to make a thread like this on this forum.

Actually, I don't own the game, and I didn't rent it.

I just borrowed it from a friend for a bit and it goes into my "pretty good" pile.

I don't have to have some cult like obsession for the game to think many of these people are overreacting, I see people dropping hate on Infinity Ward like its the new Holocaust, and I didn't see anyone arguing this point, so I thought it might as well be me.

 

[Danpascooch]

Le Snip

MW2 is terrible quality. It beat Bethesda in the, "Buggiest Game Of The Year" award. Why do they have to "Admit it's an overall good game", when IW has shown no respect for their community, half assed the game just to earn some quick cash, and removed everything that was fun about the original Modern Warfare, and instead added tons of things that are broken or just annoying. I'm not trying to flame you, but I see no point in forcing people to say they like the game, and admit it was good, when it really wasn't. But, this is all my opinion, just like when I say that there is no MW2. And, as I like to preach to the Heavens, everything Treyarch has done is more interesting than IW. But, I can see how this will be claimed as flame, as the millions of fans surround me and scream profanities at me.

Well, I figured if these PC owners bought the first they would like the second even if they don't completely admit it, I guess that was an unfair assumption, and I will take it out.

So, what awards were these anyway?

The "Hungover In An Orange Grove" Awards, created by James M. Bassatti.

That's a pretty awesome name for a set of awards.

But I don't really know how much stock I would put in their choices, I mostly base my reviews off of a combination of Game Informer, my friends recommendations, and my own experiences.

 

[Danpascooch]

As someone who is primarily a console gamer, I think PC gamers have every right to be disappointed with how much Modern Warfare 2 was downgraded over the original.

There was absolutely no reason for it. Modern Warfare 1 had maps large enough for 32vs32 player matches, people could host their own servers (which they would do, which would in the end save IW loads of $), and stopping mod support on MW2? something that PC games have had since the 90's? wtf

This is just a case of Infinity Ward pleasing the butthurt console fanboys who always got the lesser versions of games.

PC gamers have been spoiled elitist brats for a long while now. Seems like they all feel they should get the Team Fortress 2 treatment. (Or at least the ones petitioning against this game.)

Fortunately companies seem to be favoring console gaming, which I always felt more immersive anyway with vibration feedback and superior graphics. It's a good shooter, probably (no experience) improved by the mouse and keyboard interface and people should just accept it for what it is: a console port. A near direct one; no privileges are on the consoles that isn't on the PC. They're just complaining they didn't get the extra stuff? Boo-hoo.

Case and point ^^^^

P.S. Consoles have superior graphics? what world have you been living in?

Why is everyone misconstruing my point? I thought I was very very clear.

They have every right to be very disappointed, and angry if they want to be.

I just think maliciously attempting to sabotage the experience that fans of Modern Warfare 2 are having is in bad taste.

That's all.

 

[TelHybrid]

As someone who is primarily a console gamer, I think PC gamers have every right to be disappointed with how much Modern Warfare 2 was downgraded over the original.

There was absolutely no reason for it. Modern Warfare 1 had maps large enough for 32vs32 player matches, people could host their own servers (which they would do, which would in the end save IW loads of $), and stopping mod support on MW2? something that PC games have had since the 90's? wtf

This is just a case of Infinity Ward pleasing the butthurt console fanboys who always got the lesser versions of games.

PC gamers have been spoiled elitist brats for a long while now. Seems like they all feel they should get the Team Fortress 2 treatment. (Or at least the ones petitioning against this game.)

Fortunately companies seem to be favoring console gaming, which I always felt more immersive anyway with vibration feedback and superior graphics. It's a good shooter, probably (no experience) improved by the mouse and keyboard interface and people should just accept it for what it is: a console port. A near direct one; no privileges are on the consoles that isn't on the PC. They're just complaining they didn't get the extra stuff? Boo-hoo.

Case and point ^^^^

P.S. Consoles have superior graphics? what world have you been living in?

Why is everyone misconstruing my point? I thought I was very very clear.

They have every right to be very disappointed, and angry if they want to be.

I just think maliciously attempting to sabotage the experience that fans of Modern Warfare 2 are having is in bad taste.

That's all.

Please point out where you said this in your original post.

 

[Danpascooch]

60$ for 5ish hours of campaigning? Then what? Go online? Online to what? Servers with obnoxiously high ping and a system that's supposed to find me a match with players of my rank/skill level which fails massively?
You know what I did with my 60 bucks? I got drunk! And the good news i managed to be drunk for a whole of a lot more than 5ish hours. Best 60$ I've ever spent.

Again and again and again I have to clarify this OVER AND OVER!

It is really starting to get annoying.

I never said you should like the game, hate it all you want.

Just don't go to outrageous efforts in order to maliciously sabotage the experience of those people that do like it.

 

[Danpascooch]

Oh and also, who put yes, because everyone who replyed to this thread has basically said that danpascooch is a friggin idiot.

That's not true actually, not to mention most of the people who replied argued points that directly contradicted things I put in my post, so I get the sneaking suspicion many are replying to the title and not actually reading the whole post

so:

NO!!! YOU'RE A FREAKING IDIOT!!11!1!

Sorry, it's been like 2 hours since I yelled something immature at somebody, and I was starting to enter withdrawal

 

[Danpascooch]

*Face hits wall hard*

Seriously. What is the point of this?
Actually, don't tell me. I thought we had got past all the shit about MW2 and it's problems. But no. Someone had to throw a hissy fit and post a rant against those who don't like which is flamebait tastic.
If you like this game, make a reasonable argument instead of baiting the PC community and making them look like a bunch of elitist *CENSORED* for god's sake. If you can't do that, don't type anything. At all. No wonder some PC gamers think console gamers are morons when stuff like this gets posted. Jesus.

What the hell do I care if PC owners think console gamers are morons?

So I see people flinging shit left and right, but I make one bullet-point based poll thread arguing the point I have not yet seen properly represented and suddenly I am a *CENSORED* *CENSORED* *CENSORED* with a *CENSORED* *CENSORED* for a *CENSORED*?

I don't care if people don't like the game I really don't, I just don't think that many of these extremist malicious policies should be ignored for anything. I don't care if you are raging against EA (GOD I HATE EA!) or the moon, I don't think it's right to attack it with this level of malice.

 

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

I'll respond to all the people who quoted me calling me the huge troll in one post, cause quoting would just get redundant:

In terms of calling PC gamers spoiled elitist brats: obviously this way hyperbole, and I mentioned this only the in the context of people who are petitioning the game, all of whom I've found to be snobby and obnoxious. The fact remains that PC gamers have received bonuses to their ports for a good while now, and recognizing these bonuses as the standard as opposed to preferential treatment is a mistake in my opinion. I know it's "standard for PC", but it's still privileges not afforded to console gamers, and I could understand complaining if they had received a port less worthy than a console version, but to me it just seems like IW ported a game to the PC and everyone got all hissy. It's a pretty fantastic game, so boycotting it for the sake of boycotting it for not getting, yes, bonus privileges, smacks me as pretty elitist.

As for the hardware debate: maybe PC's have caught up, but I'm almost sure PS3 hardware is technically superior. 7 Cores? I'm pretty sure that's still not been replicated in any available for purchase CPU, and maybe this technology hasn't been pushed to its peak yet, but when it does, I think the graphics will be superior. Regardless, it's hard to argue companies aren't aiming more and more titles at their bigger install base (the consoles) because PC ports can a) be a headache with all the piracy and b) aren't as profitable. Sorry that you took like 1 perhaps misinformed (though I'm not convinced) statement about graphics and extrapolated that I'm some kind of console-warring neanderthal, but that's not the case.

Oh, and saying the IW is "forgetting their roots" is pretty silly. The service they provide for the PC is plenty sufficient, even if not overly grateful, and nostalgia is no justification for having to release extra content/privileges with the PC version.

What I'm saying, basically, is PC gamers should be grateful when receiving modding privileges/dedicated servers, and content enough with a solid game when they don't.

 

[Danpascooch]

All I can do is shake my head and wonder just how familiar you are with the internet.

I'd say this fellow is quite familiar with the internet. After all, we all know how kicking and screaming online makes everything bettar.

OP:

Did you expect everyone on the internet to be level headed?

Please, if they have no right to be that angry, neither do you.

And, uh, by the way?

I'm a PC gamer. I don't give a shit.

Who said I was kicking and screaming? My point was to present my argument in a clear fashion.

I am not "that" angry, I just think it's about time somebody said that what these people are doing is wrong, not because this game is good or bad or made of cheese, just because this level of dedication to attacking something related to video games is not worth it.

There is a big difference between doing all of the things I listed that I have noticed extremist haters doing, and making one thread

 

[Danpascooch]

PC gamers have been spoiled elitist brats for a long while now. Seems like they all feel they should get the Team Fortress 2 treatment. (Or at least the ones petitioning against this game.)

Fortunately companies seem to be favoring console gaming, which I always felt more immersive anyway with vibration feedback and superior graphics. It's a good shooter, probably (no experience) improved by the mouse and keyboard interface and people should just accept it for what it is: a console port. A near direct one; no privileges are on the consoles that isn't on the PC. They're just complaining they didn't get the extra stuff? Boo-hoo.

I prefer console gaming, but I completely disagree with this post.

I think PC gamers are entitled to play what they want to play, and if their games are generally cheaper or have additional features, good for them, that is the way their slice of the video game market works.

I don't think PC gamers are elitist by nature at all, just the ones who do things like I detailed in my OP.

 

[Danpascooch]

It's only the vocal minority acting out against MW2. There are a lot of MW2 players online on steam, in fact the Call of Duty - Modern Warfare 2 group has 91968 members right now (and not everyone who plays it is a member). So yeah, we're not really lacking players and we're not really giving a damn.

You're right, and I shouldn't have used such "blanket terms" I am editing the OP now

 

[Danpascooch]

1. OP fails

2. It does suck

Personally I didn't even bother with the game and sending money you would of wasted on this crap to another company is win.

Wouldn't that still be wasting money?

Also, saying "it sucks" does not disprove my point at all, or imply that I failed somehow.

I am not arguing that the game is of quality, just that this type of hateful overblown reaction is wrong, for anything, period.

 

[Danpascooch]

I think part of the problem is, rather than the (crappy) game itself or the company, the people that play the game. They make threads like this.

What about people like you that make posts like these?

At least mine presented a coherent organized argument in the interest of creating a discussion, what has yours contributed? A generic "This thread is dumb" +1 to your post count?

Honestly, this thread would have been no different had you not stopped by at all, little spammer.

 

[Danpascooch]

Seems you're the one throwing a tantrum.

If any of what you said actually happened you:

1. Laugh at them.
2. Get on with life.

You don't

1. Get mad at them.
2. Go off in a tantrum.
3. Make a thread about it with a redundant poll.

I all happened, and I included loose sources in the parentheses.

I am not throwing a tantrum at all, I am presenting an argument that I feel is under represented, is that not the point of a forum?

What about this poll makes it inherently redundant?

 

[Danpascooch]

As someone who is primarily a console gamer, I think PC gamers have every right to be disappointed with how much Modern Warfare 2 was downgraded over the original.

There was absolutely no reason for it. Modern Warfare 1 had maps large enough for 32vs32 player matches, people could host their own servers (which they would do, which would in the end save IW loads of $), and stopping mod support on MW2? something that PC games have had since the 90's? wtf

This is just a case of Infinity Ward pleasing the butthurt console fanboys who always got the lesser versions of games.

PC gamers have been spoiled elitist brats for a long while now. Seems like they all feel they should get the Team Fortress 2 treatment. (Or at least the ones petitioning against this game.)

Fortunately companies seem to be favoring console gaming, which I always felt more immersive anyway with vibration feedback and superior graphics. It's a good shooter, probably (no experience) improved by the mouse and keyboard interface and people should just accept it for what it is: a console port. A near direct one; no privileges are on the consoles that isn't on the PC. They're just complaining they didn't get the extra stuff? Boo-hoo.

Case and point ^^^^

P.S. Consoles have superior graphics? what world have you been living in?

Why is everyone misconstruing my point? I thought I was very very clear.

They have every right to be very disappointed, and angry if they want to be.

I just think maliciously attempting to sabotage the experience that fans of Modern Warfare 2 are having is in bad taste.

That's all.

Please point out where you said this in your original post.

I thought it was obvious in my examples of them making hacks and exploits to try to make the the game unstable and then prove that it is unstable based on the instabilities they made, and their spamming of the IW forums.

Perhaps it is not as clear as I thought, I have added to my OP with further clarification, thank you for letting me know.

 

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

PC gamers have been spoiled elitist brats for a long while now. Seems like they all feel they should get the Team Fortress 2 treatment. (Or at least the ones petitioning against this game.)

Fortunately companies seem to be favoring console gaming, which I always felt more immersive anyway with vibration feedback and superior graphics. It's a good shooter, probably (no experience) improved by the mouse and keyboard interface and people should just accept it for what it is: a console port. A near direct one; no privileges are on the consoles that isn't on the PC. They're just complaining they didn't get the extra stuff? Boo-hoo.

I prefer console gaming, but I completely disagree with this post.

I think PC gamers are entitled to play what they want to play, and if their games are generally cheaper or have additional features, good for them, that is the way their slice of the video game market works.

I don't think PC gamers are elitist by nature at all, just the ones who do things like I detailed in my OP.

See clarifying post above yours, lol. I didn't mean, of course, that all PC gamers are elitists, but the ones petitioning and boycotting this game are, just as you said. Of course they can play what they want to play, and it hardly affects me, but it's a forum to discuss opinions, and my opinion of their choice is that it's crap.

 

[koriantor]

Warning! Long rant of mine:

Personally, I think MW2 failed when met to my standards. What more can you do to an FPS? You run, shoot, find cover, heal, shoot some more, run to the next "room", shoot some more. I loved cod4 so much because it had an amazing story to back the FPS and I tip my hat to them for mixing story and gameplay so well. Unfortunately, it seems like they figured "We've got an audience, does it really matter what we write?"

I have not bought MW2 because I don't really think the 60 bucks is worth the single player campaign and I just sit there and hope (probably in vain) that IW will wake up and just go ahead and release dedicated servers in a patch or something (a set-up like Left 4 Dead's is what I'm thinking. That way we can have the best of both worlds... I suppose I'll keep on wishing).

I don't expect a lot as a customer. I expect what I paid for in the box. It's great when developers keep good relations, but I don't demand it. Dedicated servers are something that has been a standard since multiplayer became widespread, so I've always expected it. When a company doesn't include it in their product, it better be a game that dedicated servers don't really fit (for instance Rage is something that I don't really care about not having dedicated servers. For a racing game, I think I could understand). I know the impact of dedicated servers and have had a lot of fun playing with people I became friends with. I felt like IW just insulted me whenever they tried to convince us that it was a good thing. I could've handled the "We're not developing dedicated servers. Too bad for you." but to try and convince me that it's a good thing? Bad move for you IW.

On a kind of related note, I have a friend that recently converted from xbox to PC gaming (hooray! One more in the fight against communis-er, consoles). He never grew up with the PC so he has no clue about the fun times that happens on older games/returning to a fun server. He's always been a console gamer so he actually believed Infinity ward's "IWnet is a good thing" explanation (that and he hasn't quite gotten the actual thinking about stuff rather than just believing those in power... and IW is said to be near-Godlike? I always thought they were good, but never that good). Only did he realize the mistake of IW when I had him sit through my half-hour long rant and actually show him the problems with it. He now thinks like me.

Also for some reason, I have a feeling Activision was the cause of the servers. IW has always been close to the PC community so I don't think it's their fault.

Anyway, bottom line, I might buy MW2 down the road when it's like 20 or 30 bucks, but right now, I don't think it's worth my time. There's plenty more to play. And from this rises my new found skepticism of Infinity Ward. They better make something near portal perfection or I'll probably just skip it.

/rant

Sorry for that

 

[koriantor]

PC gamers aren't elitist. Just the stupid ones.