This sounds good to me. Still don't see the point on making the health gauge public but with this change I can live with it.Spinwhiz said:
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I always find it amazing how many people really misunderstand their 'right' to free speech. So many people seem to think it means they can chat about anything they like, anywhere. And that's simply not true. Even when you're a publicly held venue, there are limitations on how and what you are allowed to discuss. If you don't believe that, I suggest looking up the legal concepts "hate speech" and/or "fighting words".
When you're using The Escapist's forums - something that they own - they have the right to dictate what is acceptable and non-acceptable topics of discussion. And as Virgil stated, if you're in disagreement with that, they invite you to go elsewhere.
And frankly, I'm aghast that somehow pedophilia became of the "Cause célèbre" of some of the people disagreeing with the new rules. Out of all the things you could have possibly chosen as the basis for your arguments, you went with that. I think you'd have had better luck trying to convince the moderation staff that the "using large amounts of ... and CAPS is against our policies" rule is arbitrary. Even though fairly universally disliked in chat channel and forums, the general prohibition of it is based upon the perception that it's considered shouting and therefore ill-mannered; and I suppose an argument could be made that that isn't a universal perception. However, it's still the forum owners right to tell you not to go nuts with the caps; just as they have the right to tell you what you aren't allowed to discuss here.
Unfortunately, whenever rules are modified, the 'rules lawyers' come out of the woodwork to pick apart every line. Perhaps the thing to remember here is that the forum rules are not a legally binding contract, and you should focus more on the intent and spirit of the rules, and not dissect each sentence for possible loopholes.
When you're using The Escapist's forums - something that they own - they have the right to dictate what is acceptable and non-acceptable topics of discussion. And as Virgil stated, if you're in disagreement with that, they invite you to go elsewhere.
And frankly, I'm aghast that somehow pedophilia became of the "Cause célèbre" of some of the people disagreeing with the new rules. Out of all the things you could have possibly chosen as the basis for your arguments, you went with that. I think you'd have had better luck trying to convince the moderation staff that the "using large amounts of ... and CAPS is against our policies" rule is arbitrary. Even though fairly universally disliked in chat channel and forums, the general prohibition of it is based upon the perception that it's considered shouting and therefore ill-mannered; and I suppose an argument could be made that that isn't a universal perception. However, it's still the forum owners right to tell you not to go nuts with the caps; just as they have the right to tell you what you aren't allowed to discuss here.
Unfortunately, whenever rules are modified, the 'rules lawyers' come out of the woodwork to pick apart every line. Perhaps the thing to remember here is that the forum rules are not a legally binding contract, and you should focus more on the intent and spirit of the rules, and not dissect each sentence for possible loopholes.
Im not sure, where are the rules. If one comment can get you permanent banned i find that a little unfair. Is there a threshold of badness that warrants a permanent ban
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/codeofconductDonttazemehbro said:
Here they are, but they're slightly outdated. Currently you lose 1 stike every six months, if you have no further infractions, and a clean slate every 2 years with no further infractions.
Eh i couldn't care less, what i dont agree with is the "small post" thing. So if i dont write more than two lines do i get a strike or something? What if i have an opinion that isnt that great or not that well thought out but i wish to express it. I find that policy a little weird. Other than that i dont really care.
Maybe it was changed since you posted this but down at the bottom it said something about six months of good behavior restoring a point of hps.
nothing is going to change unless you leave escapist or protest
as it is i'm afraid to start a post for fear of moderator wrath. I was warned the first time because my reply wasn't long enough. The second time because it wasn't discussable enough.
so what can u do,, not much , unless you leave (and let the moderators know why) or protest, or a petition)
as it is i'm afraid to start a post for fear of moderator wrath. I was warned the first time because my reply wasn't long enough. The second time because it wasn't discussable enough.
so what can u do,, not much , unless you leave (and let the moderators know why) or protest, or a petition)
Please, that's almost a compliment. I would say that it's more like being run by a bunch of Puritans. That would explain the Scarlet Letter like punishments.Bobzer77 said:
Well, based on my experience as a moderator of other forums (not here) and chat channels, I've had first hand experience with this sort of issue. And it's basically proof of two things.HG131 said:
First, that The Escapist forums are an evolving organism. Things change... I'm pretty sure that when they first came up with the rules, they never even thought that anyone would discuss a subject in (admittedly my opinion) such poor taste. When it happened, one of the mods reacted and banned the guy. I've been part of similar discussions of the type that I'm sure happened after this... at some point, someone said something like, "Jeesh, I'd never thought we'd need a specific rule to not discuss X."
But it also shows that the staff here are willing to give second chances and react to the community. Now in this case, that reaction was basically along the lines of, "Okay... there wasn't a specific rule against it before, so you've got a second chance; but there is one NOW, so don't do it again". Some people seem to take that sort of reaction as a bad thing, but it's not. It's simply the reality of The Escapist attracting a wider audience, and with more people, the task of moderating becomes much, much harder.
The Ad blockers thing has always been a rule. The Escapist makes money from ads, if you are saying that you are blocking those ads on your browser, and the companies providing the ads find out, they may pull their ads, and thus funding, from the Escapist.zama174 said:
I dislike the permanent probation idea, and considering how I am one infraction away, it'll always jitter my nerves.
I thought the punishments were much more 'scarlet letter' like in the prior incarnation. You could never scroll down through more than a page of posts without seeing at least one, "X is on probation for this post in ." That always seem to be me like the site was celebrating the warning/probation/banning of someone.For.I.Am.Mad said:
As it is now, it seems much more discrete... unless of course, I've hit that rarest of all threads and none of the posters of the dozens of pages of comments I've perused have been made by anyone who is on probation. If that's the case... opps.
I didn't care about this one way or the other when I first saw this thread.
But now, I think I can comment on some changes that are good. Maybe it's because they saw this thread but the Amnesty thing seems nice.
Means your strikes can be taken back somewhat. While it's not like a clear record, it's still sort of like a second chance.
But now, I think I can comment on some changes that are good. Maybe it's because they saw this thread but the Amnesty thing seems nice.
Means your strikes can be taken back somewhat. While it's not like a clear record, it's still sort of like a second chance.