Poll: New forum rules - Yay or Nay?

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Trolldor

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Lim3 said:
A user on page 4 got a warning for strongly disagreeing. Is this a new form of censorship? Online censorship? I can see the escapist user base dropping if it keeps up.BTW I'm going to make a stand and post this!

Edit: I found it funny that they say CAPS are against their policy and then I AGREE was in CAPS.

Also low content posts? Can someone please issue a general escapist posting principle (GEPP) on how many words constitutes a low content post?
I've asked and challenged that a number of times.

Apparently it's whatever the mod decides it is. A mod could be happy with your post that has nothing but an image because the image is representative of a complete idea.
LIkely, though, they want you to add words to your post which actually detract from the meaning, rendering your post impotent because of an arbitrary word count.


Vanguard_Ex said:
So now when you're on probation, you're forever on probation? Aw guys, come the fuck on! Loosen up, eh?
Too many people saying "Nah man, go on ahead" for it to be changed or challenged.
 

McNinja

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The only thing I don't get is why they call me "citizen." What is this, Half-Life? I ain't picking up any can.
 

Ghengis John

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I received a warning from a moderator once for "making a post with insufficient content". I'd hate to think I could wind up banned to to a stranger's power-mad caprices.
 

Kevlar Eater

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So these rules make it easier to get banned... what next, I get a probation because I disagree with someone and my disagreeing hurts their feelings.

I'm definitely disagreeing with the whole health bar method of banning. Why make redemption impossible?
 

i7omahawki

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Really unhappy with this.

I got a warning for questioning whether the Jimquisition was appropriate for this site, and questioning their integrity.

So, if I disagree with the Escapist four times I'm on probation? Nice and fair guys. I guess I'm not really missing much if I got banned from this site for questioning aspects of it in a discussion board.
 

AgentBJ09

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GeorgW said:
I'm probably waay too late for this, as I said earlier, it's really busy right now and I try to read through this entire thread and answer all of your questions. But it's all in context. There's a huge difference IMO of what constitutes a low content post in R&P in relation to RP&games.
I'm sure the moderators know the difference.

One is for forum games, which have short posts, as well as people who EXPECT short posts with little content - Roleplaying and Forum Games

One is for larger debates on tricky subjects like religion and politics - Religion and Politics

Dastardly said:
But bear in mind you're also getting, what, EIGHT warnings or something?

Yeah, the "strikes never go away" thing is harsh, but is it really that hard for some people not to be douchebags? If it is, perhaps they need to find some other experience that might help them get a handle on that, and this forum just isn't for them.

When you create a system of expiring strikes, you set up a micro-economy. "I can be X much of a dickcheese each month." And guess what? That guy? He's going to be X much of a dickcheese, because that's his "allotment." And he knows that it eventually refreshes, allowing him to repeat the cycle as he wishes.

Now? The cheese has a shelf life. Learn your lesson and stick around... or don't, continually relapse to "cheese status," and take a hike. Not hard at all. And on a forum like this, I'm sorry, there's no "too harsh" a punishment. You know the rules, you know the penalty, anything beyond that is just choice-consequence.
Glad to see some folks understand the numbers of this system well. If you screw up eight times, that's more than enough times for you to get the message that you're doing things that are wrong.

RPs may have a three strike rule, but that's because they are not as extensive as a forum is. Eight strikes is, in my opinion, far more than enough to make a case that a person can be banned.

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My record is presently clean, and I intend to keep it that way. However, I am noticing that a lot of the people who are speaking against this are missing the point that these rules do not stop regular, opinionated speech.

They work as a system to deal with people who keep getting infractions and to ensure they are punished in a way that gets them to stop acting childish. In this case, making your infraction limit stick at eight instead of rechecking every infraction, then judging a new one.

To those posting in here that is worried, if these rules are scaring you, take a single day to think about them. Don't TL;DR these rules either. Chances are, you may miss a rule that will come back and bite you in the tail if you do so.

As for me, I'm all for these new rules for the forums.
 

maddawg IAJI

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Vanguard_Ex said:
So now when you're on probation, you're forever on probation? Aw guys, come the fuck on! Loosen up, eh?
We did, now you get 4 chances before being put on probation. All we're doing is putting a set number of times you can break a rule before we kick you out of here.
 

cheywoodward

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I don't think there's anything terribly wrong with them. One of the reasons the forums are so great is that unpleasant people are eliminated rather quickly. I don't like unpleasant people in real life and I don't like them in the matrix.

I only hope that posts that are witty, or based mostly on a humorous image but that don't add to the discussion, are not treated too harshly. I believe that a good forum conversation should work just like one in real life, and in real life I love a clever remark just as much as something that adds to the discussion.
 

maddawg IAJI

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The Incredible Bulk said:
A dude in this thread put "test" to see the new rules I assume. He got a warning for it...CASE IN POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
He would have gotten a warning before the update. Low-content posts have always been against the rules.
 

Chibz

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maddawg IAJI said:
He would have gotten a warning before the update. Low-content posts have always been against the rules.
My biggest complaint is that I'm being repunished for past infractions. Repunished, of course, in such a way that will NEVER go away. It can never be undone. This actually makes it one of the least forgiving set of laws/rules possible.

I'm pretty close to just throwing up my arms and 'leaving' over this.
 

Venereus

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Having once recieved 2 warnings for the same post, I don't think this is going to work well for us. Sure it's easy for us not to act like douches, but human error works both ways.
 

Conza

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Yep, all sounds pretty straight forward and reasonable, don't see any problem with it, if you did have a problem with it, you probably won't last long :/
 

BonsaiK

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I think "advocating pornography" is a pretty hypocritical thing to be getting in trouble for, when it's being administered from the same company that brought you "I Hit It With My Axe", and the whole "might offend someone" thing is stupid to take into account when we've got content on here like Jimquisition and Zero Punctuation which is pretty much designed to be offensive on some level. I don't think they thought any of that that through very well, but I guess it remains to be seen how it's interpreted and how hardcore they get with it.
 

Flig

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What's this? Give me two seconds to read it...

Hmmmm, I have to agree with OP on this one, most of it seems fine, your usual rules of conduct, however the health meter does strike me as a bit odd. I didn't see anything wrong with the previous system of punishment so I'm unsure what caused the change. I'm hoping that this part gets revoked, but if not I suppose I'll just have to deal with it.
 

maddawg IAJI

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Chibz said:
maddawg IAJI said:
He would have gotten a warning before the update. Low-content posts have always been against the rules.
My biggest complaint is that I'm being repunished for past infractions. Repunished, of course, in such a way that will NEVER go away. It can never be undone. This actually makes it one of the least forgiving set of laws/rules possible.

I'm pretty close to just throwing up my arms and 'leaving' over this.
Well its only been implemented because people don't seem to get the memo no matter how many warnings we set out. Even before I became a mod, I saw several users making low-content post after low-content post.

If you put enough effort into your posts and follow the rules then you won't have to worry about them.
 

Shanannara

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I think that Spinwhiz or one of the moderators said that a poster's previous history WILL be taken into account, even if the health meter doesn't go down. I can't remember exactly who it was, it's a very long thread and I'm very tired. However, if that really is the case then I don't see any problems with the new rules.

I sort of want a warning or something though. Then everyone would know how rebellious I am :)
 

Chibz

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maddawg IAJI said:
Well its only been implemented because people don't seem to get the memo no matter how many warnings we set out. Even before I became a mod, I saw several users making low-content post after low-content post.

If you put enough effort into your posts and follow the rules then you won't have to worry about them.
It's more that retroactive punishment/repunishment is no way to run a set of rules. I already WAS punished for my misdeeds. Now I'm being punished AGAIN? That makes the rules seem far less legitimate overall.

'cause honestly, I am still being punished (under this system) for something that happened four-five months ago. And that was for feeding a troll (I'm sorry...)

I'm partially afraid to say ANYTHING. I'm prone to being a little abrasive unintentionally, and anything I can say MIGHT conceivably get me punished. As far as I know, this post will get me suspended.
 

Alpha1Niner

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I say "Some Nay". Having the forum health meter isn't much of a bother, but it's the one or two infractions you received ages ago when you first didn't know much about the rules that are now popping back up. Mine was a simple double post from a year ago and I had completely forgotten about it up till now. I support the idea that after a period of good behavior that one can remove a bar for those smaller warnings and suspensions.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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Chibz said:
maddawg IAJI said:
Well its only been implemented because people don't seem to get the memo no matter how many warnings we set out. Even before I became a mod, I saw several users making low-content post after low-content post.

If you put enough effort into your posts and follow the rules then you won't have to worry about them.
It's more that retroactive punishment/repunishment is no way to run a set of rules. I already WAS punished for my misdeeds. Now I'm being punished AGAIN? That makes the rules seem far less legitimate overall.
Beg pardon, but how are you being ?punished again?? The fact that anyone can see your record? That?s hardly unfair: it just shows what you have done in the past.