Poll: Nintendo's Quality In Consoles (i.e. Motion Controls and 3D)

[jackpipsam]

graphics are not everything, Nintendo systems are still a thousand time better than the ps3

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

I don't understand how you can call 3D a gimmick when its barely been out. Seriously give it some time first. Might actually add something to games.

I've been against 3D ever since movies started sacrificing quality for 3D effects. And I've heard the 3D isn't even that good.

Give it time. Honestly what do you expect? Its going to be amazing right off the bat? Nintendo is at least trying new things here and there with motion controls and got MS and Sony to do them, I wouldn't call that a gimmick. I call that a victory for Nintendo. Now they are trying to get 3D to work without the glasses for systems, what other company do you know of has tried that? Give it time, it cant be called a gimmick until it has been proved one and no way in hell has enough time gone by to give that judgement. Nintendo is fine where it is.

Just saying, but some TV's did the 3D without glasses first. When discussions were held about how the 3DS was going to do it, references to the TV's (I think made by Sony or something) that did it first were made.

 

[Serving UpSmiles]

the 3DS is the best hand held on the market and the Wii has the best motion controls ever made (i despise Sony and Microsoft trying to cash in on Nintendo's ideas)

And if those are gimmicks, then yeah, Gimmicks are good.

It doesn't really matter. They are improving with the casual side though.

But at the price of alienating the hardcore gamers. I'd be fine if they could find a way to even it out. Hell, the PC did, anyone else can too.

All "Hardcore" gamers want is HD Graphics and blood, at least the casual market has some worth while wants like smooth gameplay, art style, aesthetics, all form a very unique gaming experience.

Not all Hardcore gamers want just HD and Blood. I enjoyed Mirror's Edge, especially when I didn't have to shoot anyone. And there are a lot of arty games for Hardcore gamers. In Amnesia, you couldn't fight for crap and only could run. An Indie game is doing better in my eyes than most big name games are.

I wouldn't considor Mirrors Edge to be a hardcore game, just a very artistic first person platformer with an occasional action sequence, actually scratch that, with the "frequent" fight sequence. I'm not saying every casual game needs to be some artistic triumph in gaming, it's just that i've glad that these games need to focus on that factor more than 1080p graphics.

Also we all know what Nintendo thinks of Indie games

 

[Ice Car]

the 3DS is the best hand held on the market and the Wii has the best motion controls ever made (i despise Sony and Microsoft trying to cash in on Nintendo's ideas)

And if those are gimmicks, then yeah, Gimmicks are good.

It doesn't really matter. They are improving with the casual side though.

But at the price of alienating the hardcore gamers. I'd be fine if they could find a way to even it out. Hell, the PC did, anyone else can too.

All "Hardcore" gamers want is HD Graphics and blood, at least the casual market has some worth while wants like smooth gameplay, art style, aesthetics, all form a very unique gaming experience.

Not all Hardcore gamers want just HD and Blood. I enjoyed Mirror's Edge, especially when I didn't have to shoot anyone. And there are a lot of arty games for Hardcore gamers. In Amnesia, you couldn't fight for crap and only could run. An Indie game is doing better in my eyes than most big name games are.

Nintendo take a middle ground. They're definitely not all-out casual, they're somewhere in the middle. Which is a great spot

Also, Define Hardcore. I dare you.

Hardcore gaming is when you actually work on attaining skill in a game rather than just sitting down and being able to do it.

Game Requiring Skill: Mirror's Edge
Game you can sit down and Play: Bejeweled.

And for me they don't seem to take a Middle Ground. It seems like when they try, we get "Other M." Or "Mad World." Games that could be fun, but sometimes are hindered by what we're trying to use to play it. I am, of course, refering to the Motion Controls.

Okay then, I guess Zelda has never had any "hardcore" elements ever. It appeals to those casual and those "hardcore".

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

They're making more money than a triple-cunted hooker the day after the troops come home..

Wait what's that a quote from? Ahh this is gonna bug me now!

OT: i don't really mind, it's not like the 3D isn't optional and the console is pretty good anyway, in my opinion. Hell, if people enjoy it, they're clearly doing something right. I don't get this culture of self-entitlement where the company must pander to your wants and needs, and yours alone. A lot of people clearly like motion controls, 3D and other such gimmicks, so I say leave 'em to it.

Yahtzee said it. XDDD

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

the 3DS is the best hand held on the market and the Wii has the best motion controls ever made (i despise Sony and Microsoft trying to cash in on Nintendo's ideas)

And if those are gimmicks, then yeah, Gimmicks are good.

It doesn't really matter. They are improving with the casual side though.

But at the price of alienating the hardcore gamers. I'd be fine if they could find a way to even it out. Hell, the PC did, anyone else can too.

All "Hardcore" gamers want is HD Graphics and blood, at least the casual market has some worth while wants like smooth gameplay, art style, aesthetics, all form a very unique gaming experience.

Not all Hardcore gamers want just HD and Blood. I enjoyed Mirror's Edge, especially when I didn't have to shoot anyone. And there are a lot of arty games for Hardcore gamers. In Amnesia, you couldn't fight for crap and only could run. An Indie game is doing better in my eyes than most big name games are.

Nintendo take a middle ground. They're definitely not all-out casual, they're somewhere in the middle. Which is a great spot

Also, Define Hardcore. I dare you.

Hardcore gaming is when you actually work on attaining skill in a game rather than just sitting down and being able to do it.

Game Requiring Skill: Mirror's Edge
Game you can sit down and Play: Bejeweled.

And for me they don't seem to take a Middle Ground. It seems like when they try, we get "Other M." Or "Mad World." Games that could be fun, but sometimes are hindered by what we're trying to use to play it. I am, of course, refering to the Motion Controls.

Mario, Zelda, Metroid (especially Prime). All of them took practice.

Try again.

Those were True middle ground games. I'm not slamming every Nintendo game out there. I've always enjoyed Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. But I'm just frustrated with their console decisions lately.

 

[Serving UpSmiles]

You know, if they cared only about money they would be releasing Mario, Zelda, and other games annually. They wouldn't be spending years creating a new one, unless *GASP* They actually care about the games they put out! Why would they not milk a large money-making franchise dry if they "Only care about money"? Anyone care to explain that to me? This all reminds me of Call of Duty.

Completly agreed. I can't belive people are accusing Nintendo of being money hungry, and i just say "Look at what activision has done with Guitar hero and Call of Duty" and then call Nintendo money hungry.

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

the 3DS is the best hand held on the market and the Wii has the best motion controls ever made (i despise Sony and Microsoft trying to cash in on Nintendo's ideas)

And if those are gimmicks, then yeah, Gimmicks are good.

It doesn't really matter. They are improving with the casual side though.

But at the price of alienating the hardcore gamers. I'd be fine if they could find a way to even it out. Hell, the PC did, anyone else can too.

All "Hardcore" gamers want is HD Graphics and blood, at least the casual market has some worth while wants like smooth gameplay, art style, aesthetics, all form a very unique gaming experience.

Not all Hardcore gamers want just HD and Blood. I enjoyed Mirror's Edge, especially when I didn't have to shoot anyone. And there are a lot of arty games for Hardcore gamers. In Amnesia, you couldn't fight for crap and only could run. An Indie game is doing better in my eyes than most big name games are.

Nintendo take a middle ground. They're definitely not all-out casual, they're somewhere in the middle. Which is a great spot

Also, Define Hardcore. I dare you.

Hardcore gaming is when you actually work on attaining skill in a game rather than just sitting down and being able to do it.

Game Requiring Skill: Mirror's Edge
Game you can sit down and Play: Bejeweled.

And for me they don't seem to take a Middle Ground. It seems like when they try, we get "Other M." Or "Mad World." Games that could be fun, but sometimes are hindered by what we're trying to use to play it. I am, of course, refering to the Motion Controls.

Okay then, I guess Zelda has never had any "hardcore" elements ever. It appeals to those casual and those "hardcore".

Admittedly, it does take skill, and again, I'm not slamming every Nintendo game. I repeat: I like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. Mario for platforming, Zelda for adventure, and Metroid for yelling at my DSi because I died again. XD

I still play a little Zelda. The gameboy port of the original to be specific.

 

[Bakuryukun]

I don't understand how you can call 3D a gimmick when its barely been out. Seriously give it some time first. Might actually add something to games.

I've been against 3D ever since movies started sacrificing quality for 3D effects. And I've heard the 3D isn't even that good.

3D affects everybody differently, some people can barely see it and some people see it extremely vividly like me. Though I do admit, the only 3D I really enjoy is the kind that gives depth to an otherwise flat screen, that to me is pretty much just giving the audience something they would have if they looked at something in real life, like when they added colour to TV's.

 

[Mr. In-between]

Mario, Zelda, Metroid (especially Prime). All of them took practice.

Try again.

I think the real reason that Nintendo is such a lightning rod for user hate is due to the fact that the majority of people who religiously play all of the Kool Kidz library of games actually don't have very much skill outside of the FPS genre.

Logging on to Escapist just to talk about how "gay" Mario and Zelda are is probably just a roundabout way of saying "I suck ass at anything that isn't FPS"

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

You know, if they cared only about money they would be releasing Mario, Zelda, and other games annually. They wouldn't be spending years creating a new one, unless *GASP* They actually care about the games they put out! Why would they not milk a large money-making franchise dry if they "Only care about money"? Anyone care to explain that to me? This all reminds me of Call of Duty.

Completly agreed. I can't belive people are accusing Nintendo of being money hungry, and i just say "Look at what activision has done with Guitar hero and Call of Duty" and then call Nintendo money hungry.

Guitar Hero and Rock Band are dead to me, (And I think future plans were canceled for anymore games or something. Don't pay attention. I think it was some rumor I heard) and Call of Duty got boring for me when they started making modern games. I enjoyed the PS2 originals more than the newer ones.

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

Mario, Zelda, Metroid (especially Prime). All of them took practice.

Try again.

I think the real reason that Nintendo is such a lightning rod for user hate is due to the fact that the majority of people who religiously play all of the Kool Kidz library of games actually don't have very much skill outside of the FPS genre.

Logging on to Escapist just to talk about how "gay" Mario and Zelda are is probably just a roundabout way of saying "I suck ass at anything that isn't FPS"

Repeating for the third time:

I actually LIKE Mario, Zelda, and Metroid.

 

[The Diabolical Biz]

They're making more money than a triple-cunted hooker the day after the troops come home..

Wait what's that a quote from? Ahh this is gonna bug me now!

OT: i don't really mind, it's not like the 3D isn't optional and the console is pretty good anyway, in my opinion. Hell, if people enjoy it, they're clearly doing something right. I don't get this culture of self-entitlement where the company must pander to your wants and needs, and yours alone. A lot of people clearly like motion controls, 3D and other such gimmicks, so I say leave 'em to it.

Yahtzee said it. XDDD

Ahh feel like a bit of an idiot now XD

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

They're making more money than a triple-cunted hooker the day after the troops come home..

Wait what's that a quote from? Ahh this is gonna bug me now!

OT: i don't really mind, it's not like the 3D isn't optional and the console is pretty good anyway, in my opinion. Hell, if people enjoy it, they're clearly doing something right. I don't get this culture of self-entitlement where the company must pander to your wants and needs, and yours alone. A lot of people clearly like motion controls, 3D and other such gimmicks, so I say leave 'em to it.

Yahtzee said it. XDDD

Ahh feel like a bit of an idiot now XD

It's alright. If we were to try to remember everything everyone has said and try to remember who said it, it would be difficult.

 

[MasterV]

N64 had its share of killer titles.

Don't get me wrong. I loved my N64 and my GC, but the world at large didn't.

I think Nintendo is going to shoot itself in the foot with the N64 rereleases on the 3DS and neither that or Cafe will replicate the success of their predecessors because of it.

If you ask me, the industry and all it's supporters can go fall off a cliff and nothing of value will be lost. All they care about is making movies. Games are not movies, games are games and arcade style games are where it's at.

Arcade gaming needs to be reincarnated. It sells and is also awesome. Look at the new MK, "harcore" were jeering it but it returned to the orgininal arcade roots and it's ahead of "hardcore" favourite Portal 2 for two whole weeks, sales wise.

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

N64 had its share of killer titles.

Don't get me wrong. I loved my N64 and my GC, but the world at large didn't.

I think Nintendo is going to shoot itself in the foot with the N64 rereleases on the 3DS and neither that or Cafe will replicate the success of their predecessors because of it.

If you ask me, the industry and all it's supporters can go fall off a cliff and nothing of value will be lost. All the care abot is making movies. Games are not movies, games are games and arcade style games are where it's at.

Arcade gaming needs to be reincarnated. It sells and is also awesome. Look at the new MK, "harcore" were jeering it but it returned to the orgininal arcade roots and it's ahead of "hardcore" favourite Portal 2 for two whole weeks, sales wise.

Arcade games were epic. Uber epic agreement.

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

I wouldn't really call it a "gimmick" phase, so much. Just because they're trying something different doesn't automatically qualify it as a "gimmick". In fact, people ONLY call it a gimmick because it IS Nintendo. Had it been Sony who made the Wii, fresh off of the ps2, people would have been singing it's praises.

People always ***** about the Wii being "only" minigame shovelware and continuations of established franchisees (oh no it's so horrible, Nintendo is expanding their market to previous non-game-players, AND we get to play more awesome Mario and Zelda games! oh nooooo!), but those same people always overlook the ORIGINAL games, too, like 'Little King's Story' and 'Ivy The Kiwi?'. The quality is still there, it's not Nintendo's fault that people are pretentious, hypocritical tards.

And the 3DS, if the original DS is any indication, is going to have some awesome stuff on it. I can't wait for more to come out on it. (in before "Dur hurr there's no games on it so its teh suxks!" No shit, it's a NEW system, of course there's nothing on it yet)

I wouldn't have been singing praises if Sony had done that. I would've been calling them complete idiots. But I'm also the person who was NOT at ALL impressed with the Eyetoy. *Shrugs*

And I'm aware of the 3DS situation with it's games. It is pretty new. And if there's ONE game I'll EPICLY like, it'll probably be the Shin Megami Tensei port that's coming for it. I'll deal with anything for some Shin Megami Tensei.

 

[Johny64]

i was just being sarcastic to mock tehweave's remark that "casuals have taken the standard"

 

[Mr. Omega]

RANT ALERT! RANT ALERT!

Remember when everyone laughed at the DS? Said that touchscreens were a gimmick, and only like one or two phones had them, and they were really expensive? Well now almost every mobile device has a touch screen. The DS made the touchscreen popular. And it found the casual market.

Wii expanded on it. Sure, motion controls weren't a long lasting charm and weren't as big as the DS, but in an industry where everyone is bitching and moaning about "stagnation", at least Nintendo is trying something different. It might not have worked in the long run, but you know what? They aren't putting motion controls in the new console. They learned from the mistake. But they are also making it backwards compatible to avoid a schism in the market.

As for the 3D. IT'S OPTIONAL. Unlike the Wii-mote, this feature can be completely ignored. It's just a DS with enhanced graphics, and a few new features. At it's core, it's still a great system. It's not they are forcing you to keep the 3D on. You can shut it off and play regular games. But after the Wii, saying "GIMMICK GIMMICK WAH WAH NINTENDO IS FOR CASUAL FAGS GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK!" has become the cool thing to do in the gamer community. Even when the new console shows drastic improvement, the second they add something new? (The touchscreen)
"GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK!" The fucking parrots return....

Furthermore, the whole recent trend of sequel-phobia that is particularly apparent here at the Escapist seems to have everybody disregarding quality in exchange for quantity. "Oh look, another new Mario game. Since there have been more than 2 of them, that MUST mean it sucks! After all, sequels are BAD!" Everyone loves to make Mario Galaxy 2 a punching bag for cash-ins, saying it's the sign that Nintendo is nothing more than a soulless greedy corporate force of evil along the likes of Activision and EA. And I'll bet a very large percentage never played it.

Then again, hating on Nintendo has beem the "cool" thing to do since last gen. I said it before, I'll say it again: Every LOVES the Gamecube...IN HINDSIGHT. Back then everyone accused Gamecube of being the "kiddy console" because it didn't have games GTA: San Andreas or Halo 1 and 2.

TL;DR
While this recent wave of Nintendo hate is a little lot more warranted (The Wii was a swing and a miss, and while the 3D can be ignored, it's still stupid), hating on Nintendo isn't exactly a new thing. Nintendo is in a situation where it just can't win. If it keeps doing what it was before, people will just ***** saying "STAGNATE! NINTENDO DOESN'T DO ANYTHING NEW!", and if Nintendo DOES do anything new, they'll just cry "GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK!"