Poll: Nintendo's Quality In Consoles (i.e. Motion Controls and 3D)

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Nintendo's quality is fine. They still make arguably the best games out there and their systems are top-notch. But then again, I guess shouldn't be surprised at Escapees being bigoted over the company despite having done NOTHING to raise their ire other than the false criticisms of "gimmicks" and "casual games".
 

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Okay, all this talk about Nintendo being kiddy? Remind me which game/franchise has the most 10 year old kids who haven't hit puberty?

Okay, I'll just spell it out for you. Call of Duty.
 

zehydra

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The quality of hardware that they're producing is pretty good (with the exception of the Wii having low rez and computing power).

It's the games that need working on.
 

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thepyrethatburns said:
Phoenix_XIII said:
But a gaming company shouldn't be about money. They should be about the gamers. And about the fun in games!
And you should spend less time spending your money and time on gaming and more of both on charity.

Idealism is great but, in reality, things don't quite work out in an idealistic manner.

Mr. In-between said:
I think the real reason that Nintendo is such a lightning rod for user hate is due to the fact that the majority of people who religiously play all of the Kool Kidz library of games actually don't have very much skill outside of the FPS genre.

Logging on to Escapist just to talk about how "gay" Mario and Zelda are is probably just a roundabout way of saying "I suck ass at anything that isn't FPS"
I don't think it's that. Penny Arcade said it best way back in 2001.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2001/6/6/

For many gamers, being a gamer had become something that made them special. It was something they "got" and others didn't. Sure, there was talk about making the image of games more acceptable in society but this talk was never accompanied by talk of making gaming more accessible in society.

Then Nintendo decided (much like Sony did with the Playstation 1 when they began marketing gaming as "not just for basement dwellers) to go after the general public. All of a sudden, being a gamer wasn't something that made you part of an elite fraternity anymore. When someone's grandma is gaming, that person no longer had that special thing that he "got" and everyone else around him didn't.

To paraphrase Syndrome: "When everyone is special, then noone is".

And that's what happened with gamers. Now that everyone is a gamer, it is no longer special or unique to be one. They try to throw up qualifications such as Casual-Hardcore (and bear in mind that most of the gamers who are throwing these qualifications up are going through middle/high school.....a time when a lot of people are trying to establish some sense of individuality) in order to preserve the notion that what they do makes them unique but those false boundaries have been shattered.

This, to my mind, is why Nintendo gets a lot of hate. They threw open the clubhouse to everyone.

One last thing:

Phoenix_XIII said:
Hardcore gaming is when you actually work on attaining skill in a game rather than just sitting down and being able to do it.
If that were true, then gaming lost it's hardcore edge as soon as the first JRPG was created.

Noone cared about making such distinctions for games that didn't need skill so much as the willingness to grind. Making the distinction now is false reasoning.

And what is the problem with just being able to sit down and do it? I have unnaturally good aim. Thusly I was great at Time Crisis and other lightgun games from the start. Some people have better reflexes than others. Those people start off better at "twitch" games than the person whose talents are more for tactics and strategy games. Should we make false divisions for them as well?

For that matter, why does gaming need to be something that you NEED to work at in order to fit into this false definition? I'm 39 and I spend 40+ hours a week working as it is. Sometimes a Devil May Cry 3 challenge is good but, sometimes, I just want to kick back and play a Flower.
I won't get itno an arguement about JRPG's, but Resonance of Fate. In that game, you needed skill. It wasn't about grinding. It was about having the skill to use the controls and everything. It's one of the hardest games to play and if you don't go through the tutorial which you have to travel to (and it's difficult to get there without getting in a fight), you were royally screwed. And sometimes after the tutorial if you couldn't grasp it, you'd still be screwed.
 

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LJJ said:
1993-2002: Earthbound, Super Metroid, Super Mario World 2, Donkey Kong Country (2), Link's Awakening, Pokémon, Ocarina of Time, Goldeneye, Super Mario 64, Perfect Dark, Banjo-Kazooie, Advance Wars, Metroid Prime, The Wind Waker

2003-2011: Super Mario Galaxy..... Nintendogs?
Allow me.

Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, Kirby Superstar Ultra, Twilight Princess, 2 Advance Wars titles, FE: Shadow Dragon, FE: Radiant Dawn, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Phoenix Wright possibly, the list goes on.
 

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Ice Azure said:
Okay, all this talk about Nintendo being kiddy? Remind me which game/franchise has the most 10 year old kids who haven't hit puberty?

Okay, I'll just spell it out for you. Call of Duty.
Allow me to add on to that.

Halo.
 

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Ice Azure said:
LJJ said:
1993-2002: Earthbound, Super Metroid, Super Mario World 2, Donkey Kong Country (2), Link's Awakening, Pokémon, Ocarina of Time, Goldeneye, Super Mario 64, Perfect Dark, Banjo-Kazooie, Advance Wars, Metroid Prime, The Wind Waker

2003-2011: Super Mario Galaxy..... Nintendogs?
Allow me.

Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, Superstar Ultra, Twilight Princess, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, Phoenix Wright possibly, the list goes on.
I heard Spirit Tracks got torn to shreds by reviewers.

But PHOENIX WRIGHT! YES! HOW COULD WE FORGET!?
 

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zehydra said:
The quality of hardware that they're producing is pretty good (with the exception of the Wii having low rez and computing power).

It's the games that need working on.
It would've been cool if the Wii had more power. It probably could've helped some games.
 

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mjc0961 said:
Nintendo's quality is sure better than the quality of this thread. You title it "Nintendo's Quality" but then have a poll and OP relating to motion controls and 3D? That's called a bait and switch and is not appreciated. I was hoping for a discussion on the quality of Nintendo's stuff, and got another thread full of bickering about motion controls and 3D. Give your threads an accurate title next time!
The reason I related it to 3D and Motion controls is because that's what Nintendo's been DOING.
 

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Stupid poll is stupid. Who cares about Nintendo's control scheme? they are STILL putting out the best games on consoles right now. Stop playing CoD on Xbox and go play Mario galaxy son.
I don't really like CoD. I've played Mario Galaxy a little. Not the biggest fan, but I've never really been big on 3D and Mario. it's kinda like 3D and Sonic.
 

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Phoenix_XIII said:
Ice Azure said:
LJJ said:
1993-2002: Earthbound, Super Metroid, Super Mario World 2, Donkey Kong Country (2), Link's Awakening, Pokémon, Ocarina of Time, Goldeneye, Super Mario 64, Perfect Dark, Banjo-Kazooie, Advance Wars, Metroid Prime, The Wind Waker

2003-2011: Super Mario Galaxy..... Nintendogs?
Allow me.

Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, Superstar Ultra, Twilight Princess, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, Phoenix Wright possibly, the list goes on.
I heard Spirit Tracks got torn to shreds by reviewers.

But PHOENIX WRIGHT! YES! HOW COULD WE FORGET!?
Only foolish fools would foolishly forget about the franchise, in this foolishly foolish thread foolish fools fooling around like fools.

And I added more to the list. Spirit Tracks doesn't count as casual in my books. It didn't improve much on Phantom Hourglass, and the concept was almost unchanged, which is why it was torn to shreds, but that doesn't make it any more "casual" than if it was rater/received well.
 

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Phoenix_XIII said:
zehydra said:
The quality of hardware that they're producing is pretty good (with the exception of the Wii having low rez and computing power).

It's the games that need working on.
It would've been cool if the Wii had more power. It probably could've helped some games.
definitely, and I think Nintendo's finally caught on to that problem. From what I can tell so far, the so-called "Wii-2" is going to address that problem.
 

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Ice Azure said:
Phoenix_XIII said:
Ice Azure said:
LJJ said:
1993-2002: Earthbound, Super Metroid, Super Mario World 2, Donkey Kong Country (2), Link's Awakening, Pokémon, Ocarina of Time, Goldeneye, Super Mario 64, Perfect Dark, Banjo-Kazooie, Advance Wars, Metroid Prime, The Wind Waker

2003-2011: Super Mario Galaxy..... Nintendogs?
Allow me.

Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, Superstar Ultra, Twilight Princess, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, Phoenix Wright possibly, the list goes on.
I heard Spirit Tracks got torn to shreds by reviewers.

But PHOENIX WRIGHT! YES! HOW COULD WE FORGET!?
Only foolish fools would foolishly forget about the franchise, in this foolishly foolish thread foolish fools fooling around like fools.

And I added more to the list. Spirit Tracks doesn't count as casual in my books. It didn't improve much on Phantom Hourglass, and the concept was almost unchanged, which is why it was torn to shreds, but that doesn't make it any more "casual" than if it was rater/received well.
My buddy enjoys the Zelda games a lot. He plays them a lot (There's one on the DS he has... Can't remember which one....) And he genuinely enjoys them. I think his favorite is Ocarina of Time.
 

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zehydra said:
Phoenix_XIII said:
zehydra said:
The quality of hardware that they're producing is pretty good (with the exception of the Wii having low rez and computing power).

It's the games that need working on.
It would've been cool if the Wii had more power. It probably could've helped some games.
definitely, and I think Nintendo's finally caught on to that problem. From what I can tell so far, the so-called "Wii-2" is going to address that problem.
WOOT! Epic goodness.
 

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Mr. Omega said:
Let me rephase that. Motion Controls were a swing and a miss. There's a reason it won't be featured in Cafe.
Hmmm, that's personal opinion more than anything. I think the reason that they won't be featured in Frappe is that they required actual thought to be put in making a game around them.

WaaghPowa said:
I have yet to play a bad Legend of Zelda title.
Spirit Tracks rears it's ugly head.
 

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MasterV said:
Mr. Omega said:
Let me rephase that. Motion Controls were a swing and a miss. There's a reason it won't be featured in Cafe.
Hmmm, that's personal opinion more than anything. I think the reason that they won't be featured in Frappe is that they required actual thought to be put in making a game around them.

WaaghPowa said:
I have yet to play a bad Legend of Zelda title.
Spirit Tracks rears it's ugly head.
It has similar concepts to Phantom Hourglass, and I found it quite enjoyable. It certainly was far from the best Zelda game I've played, but without being compared side-to-side with other Zelda games, it is a good game in its own right. It may be bad compared to other titles, but when viewed as a single game, it's not that bad, and quite fun to play.
 

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MasterV said:
WaaghPowa said:
I have yet to play a bad Legend of Zelda title.
Spirit Tracks rears it's ugly head.
Like I said, I have yet to play a bad Legend of Zelda game. I liked it, whether other people thought it was bad is irrelevant to my opinion.
 

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Hum last time I checked the Nintendo games were fairly high quality. Better then some other crap games I could buy. I'm not a big fan of playing the Wii but admittedly its because I can't find a lot of games to play on it, which is the same reason I don't use my PS3 very often so obviously that can't be blamed specifically on Nintendo. I have no strong feelings one way or the other to motion control either. On the whole I feel neutral or mildly positive towards Nintendo currently.
 

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Ice Azure said:
MasterV said:
Mr. Omega said:
Let me rephase that. Motion Controls were a swing and a miss. There's a reason it won't be featured in Cafe.
Hmmm, that's personal opinion more than anything. I think the reason that they won't be featured in Frappe is that they required actual thought to be put in making a game around them.

WaaghPowa said:
I have yet to play a bad Legend of Zelda title.
Spirit Tracks rears it's ugly head.
It has similar concepts to Phantom Hourglass, and I found it quite enjoyable. It certainly was far from the best Zelda game I've played, but without being compared side-to-side with other Zelda games, it is a good game in its own right. It may be bad compared to other titles, but when viewed as a single game, it's not that bad, and quite fun to play.
It's kind of like Portal 2 in the sense that it's only not so good because it's being compared to it's elders.