Poll: Nintendo's Quality In Consoles (i.e. Motion Controls and 3D)

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Phoenix_XIII

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Imsmarterthanyou said:
Nintendo made fire emblem radiant dawn. Anyone who claims they aren't they don't make core games should give that a try on mania and afterwards wipe their tears off, come back and apologize.
When was Radiant Dawn made?
 

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TeeBs said:
Nintendo gives you Motion Controls and 3D. You may call them gimmicks but what do you really want? Plain old controllers? No attempt at an advancement in gaming? HD and Blu-ray started out as gimmicks.
I want advancement, but maybe they should've spent more time working on the motion controls. 3D's been around for about 30 years and has made only really just one or two advancements. I hate 3D movies because they focus on the 3D aspect instead of the actual film. I'm worried that'll happen with the games too.
As weird as this sounds, I can't see that being the case. 90% of DS and GB games had almost no plot and were pretty much just casual games, as far as I have seen this has been greatly improved with the 3DS. I understand its just the release titles but I remain an optimist. As far as motion controls go, rather or not it becomes a permanent thing for gaming has yet to be seen, and looking at nintendo's sales and the addition of the kinect and move it just might be, and nintendo has made attempts to improve there motion controls with Wii Motion Plus.
 

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Where are the pancakes at?

Serious time now, Honestly, I loved Nintendo when I was first a knee high console gamer. I moved to the PS2 during the 6th gen, but still loved Nintendo. But now... Im just kind of tired of them. Save Mario, which cant really go wrong unless they make a FPS called Mario Rampage (which I would buy for the lulz alone), all their other franchises have started to grow stale (now dont bother jumping down my throat, this is only my opinion.)

Maybe with their new console, they might try some crazy ass ideas with Zelda or something...

(also, I liked that they tried to do with Metroid: Other M, just it was a poor execution...)
 

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You have no legs to stand on with regard to the 3DS.

Yes, it can play 3D, but that's not much of a gimmick compared to something like the Wii. Virtually any game can easily take advantage of the 3D capability.

And then there's the bigger issue. The 3DS is, in addition to a handheld with 3D, also just the next DS generation. It's just a more powerful handheld. Given that you can turn off the 3D and there are very few situations in which it's actually needed or used as a gameplay device, it seems abundantly silly to compare it to something like the Wii.
I think the only reason I mentioned it was because of my personal vendetta with 3D in everything. I blame it for Friday the 13th 3D not being up to standards.
It's pretty hard to blame the failure of media on it being in 3D at this point. Most of the time it's a relatively cheap thing to do, so it's not as though it detracts too much from the time and budget. The worst you can really say is that putting low-budget things in 3D might make execs more willing to greenlight otherwise unreasonable projects. If Friday the 13th 3D was bad, it would have been bad without the 3D or very likely wouldn't have been made at all without the 3D - the 3D wasn't somehow "holding it back".

For games that already have 3D models for essentially everything, it's absolutely trivial.
 

Imsmarterthanyou

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Phoenix_XIII said:
Imsmarterthanyou said:
Nintendo made fire emblem radiant dawn. Anyone who claims they aren't they don't make core games should give that a try on mania and afterwards wipe their tears off, come back and apologize.
When was Radiant Dawn made?
November 2007.
Xenoblade however came out last may (and in EU this fall)and is sheer awesomeness (allegedly)
 

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TeeBs said:
Phoenix_XIII said:
TeeBs said:
Nintendo gives you Motion Controls and 3D. You may call them gimmicks but what do you really want? Plain old controllers? No attempt at an advancement in gaming? HD and Blu-ray started out as gimmicks.
I want advancement, but maybe they should've spent more time working on the motion controls. 3D's been around for about 30 years and has made only really just one or two advancements. I hate 3D movies because they focus on the 3D aspect instead of the actual film. I'm worried that'll happen with the games too.
As weird as this sounds, I can't see that being the case. 90% of DS and GB games had almost no plot and were pretty much just casual games, as far as I have seen this has been greatly improved with the 3DS. I understand its just the release titles but I remain an optimist. As far as motion controls go, rather or not it becomes a permanent thing for gaming has yet to be seen, and looking at nintendo's sales and the addition of the kinect and move it just might be, and nintendo has made attempts to improve there motion controls with Wii Motion Plus.
I heard Yahtzee say that the Wii Motion Plus didn't help too much...

Wow. How many times have I mentioned Yahtzee?

And your points are very valid. I can agree with them. But there were some very damn difficult games on the GBA. For some reason, Tales of Symphonia was difficult and so was SNSS1.
 

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Imsmarterthanyou said:
Phoenix_XIII said:
Imsmarterthanyou said:
Nintendo made fire emblem radiant dawn. Anyone who claims they aren't they don't make core games should give that a try on mania and afterwards wipe their tears off, come back and apologize.
When was Radiant Dawn made?
November 2007.
Xenoblade however came out last may (and in EU this fall)and is sheer awesomeness (allegedly)
Hm. I'll have to check Xenoblade out then.
 

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They have always been about gimmics.

The main reason I got a 360 was that I was bored with my Wii.

So, yeh, not a fan.
 

Imsmarterthanyou

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Phoenix_XIII said:
TeeBs said:
Phoenix_XIII said:
TeeBs said:
Nintendo gives you Motion Controls and 3D. You may call them gimmicks but what do you really want? Plain old controllers? No attempt at an advancement in gaming? HD and Blu-ray started out as gimmicks.
I want advancement, but maybe they should've spent more time working on the motion controls. 3D's been around for about 30 years and has made only really just one or two advancements. I hate 3D movies because they focus on the 3D aspect instead of the actual film. I'm worried that'll happen with the games too.
As weird as this sounds, I can't see that being the case. 90% of DS and GB games had almost no plot and were pretty much just casual games, as far as I have seen this has been greatly improved with the 3DS. I understand its just the release titles but I remain an optimist. As far as motion controls go, rather or not it becomes a permanent thing for gaming has yet to be seen, and looking at nintendo's sales and the addition of the kinect and move it just might be, and nintendo has made attempts to improve there motion controls with Wii Motion Plus.
I heard Yahtzee say that the Wii Motion Plus didn't help too much...

Wow. How many times have I mentioned Yahtzee?

And your points are very valid. I can agree with them. But there were some very damn difficult games on the GBA. For some reason, Tales of Symphonia was difficult and so was SNSS1.
You mean Tales of Symponia the GCN RPG which was IMO the best of it's generation, pretty easy game actually.
PS. Yahtzee is an entertainer first and a writer second (at least in ZP), even he praised the combat in Red Steel 2.
 

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VikingSteve said:
Phoenix_XIII said:
Imsmarterthanyou said:
Nintendo made fire emblem radiant dawn. Anyone who claims they aren't they don't make core games should give that a try on mania and afterwards wipe their tears off, come back and apologize.
When was Radiant Dawn made?
Radiant Dawn/Path of Radiance cannot even compare to FE7/8... the stat growth is either starkly lacking for most characters, or they are on steroids (Ike)

I consider Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn to not be part of the FE family. Just 2 games I want to forget altogether.
I think Fire Emblem is a pretty cool guy. eh uses steroids to kick ass and doesn't afraid of anything.
 

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Imsmarterthanyou said:
Phoenix_XIII said:
TeeBs said:
Phoenix_XIII said:
TeeBs said:
Nintendo gives you Motion Controls and 3D. You may call them gimmicks but what do you really want? Plain old controllers? No attempt at an advancement in gaming? HD and Blu-ray started out as gimmicks.
I want advancement, but maybe they should've spent more time working on the motion controls. 3D's been around for about 30 years and has made only really just one or two advancements. I hate 3D movies because they focus on the 3D aspect instead of the actual film. I'm worried that'll happen with the games too.
As weird as this sounds, I can't see that being the case. 90% of DS and GB games had almost no plot and were pretty much just casual games, as far as I have seen this has been greatly improved with the 3DS. I understand its just the release titles but I remain an optimist. As far as motion controls go, rather or not it becomes a permanent thing for gaming has yet to be seen, and looking at nintendo's sales and the addition of the kinect and move it just might be, and nintendo has made attempts to improve there motion controls with Wii Motion Plus.
I heard Yahtzee say that the Wii Motion Plus didn't help too much...

Wow. How many times have I mentioned Yahtzee?

And your points are very valid. I can agree with them. But there were some very damn difficult games on the GBA. For some reason, Tales of Symphonia was difficult and so was SNSS1.
You mean Tales of Symponia the GCN RPG which was IMO the best of it's generation, pretty easy game actually.
PS. Yahtzee is an entertainer first and a writer second (at least in ZP), even he praised the combat in Red Steel 2.
I dunno what it was but I'd get caught in bad situations in ToS and I'd get my ass handed to me. XDD

And yes, he praised the combat, but he also said it wasn't that great.
 

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OH YES, HOW CAN I FORGET TALES OF SYMPHONIA

Actually I didn't, I've been waiting to say it.

I honestly don't know where to start on how good it is. Though I don't know where to start on how BAD the sequel was...
 

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They strapped motion controls onto a gamecube and then increased the price. I seriously have gamecube games that look BETTER than some Wii games. It's atrocious. Nintendo won't be getting my money for their piece of junk 3ds that only gets an hour and a half of battery life with full settings. What a joke.
 

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Lukeje said:
The quality of the stuff Nintendo has been putting out is as good as it has ever been. Whether you think what they're putting out is `gimmicky' is a completely separate issue.
And this post just said it all.
 

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VikingSteve said:
Phoenix_XIII said:
Imsmarterthanyou said:
Nintendo made fire emblem radiant dawn. Anyone who claims they aren't they don't make core games should give that a try on mania and afterwards wipe their tears off, come back and apologize.
When was Radiant Dawn made?
Radiant Dawn/Path of Radiance cannot even compare to FE7/8... the stat growth is either starkly lacking for most characters, or they are on steroids (Ike)

I consider Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn to not be part of the FE family. Just 2 games I want to forget altogether.
Really your'e comparing FE8 with 10. The only thing 8 has is a better advancement system and grind-fest levels that support it's awesomeness (it's my second favourite in the series). 10 however has the best mission design of any SRPG I've ever played and a fantastic story and sense of progression. The endgame on normal or higher is also bat-shit insane compared to the tame one found in 7 or 8.
In terms of US releases i go 7<9<8<10
 

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Aura Guardian said:
Lukeje said:
The quality of the stuff Nintendo has been putting out is as good as it has ever been. Whether you think what they're putting out is `gimmicky' is a completely separate issue.
And this post just said it all.
There was actually an issue I left out that I was going to mention but thought it was a bit touchy.

The repeated releasing of their oldest bits. I do think they need to start making something new. They can keep making Mario, Zelda, and Metroid, but I think they need to make something new.
 

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Ice Azure said:
OH YES, HOW CAN I FORGET TALES OF SYMPHONIA

Actually I didn't, I've been waiting to say it.

I honestly don't know where to start on how good it is. Though I don't know where to start on how BAD the sequel was...
Omg yes dude...the sequel made me cry. The main character emile was so unbearably annoying I couldn't control it. He was only cool when he was all ichigo form. How could they possibly have fucked it up? All they had to do was continue the story with the same game mechanics...ugh.
 

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Tyzamar said:
Ice Azure said:
OH YES, HOW CAN I FORGET TALES OF SYMPHONIA

Actually I didn't, I've been waiting to say it.

I honestly don't know where to start on how good it is. Though I don't know where to start on how BAD the sequel was...
Omg yes dude...the sequel made me cry. The main character emile was so unbearably annoying I couldn't control it. He was only cool when he was all ichigo form. How could they possibly have fucked it up? All they had to do was continue the story with the same game mechanics...ugh.
Vesperia was good when it wasn't being unfair.