I don't buy for the gimmick. I buy for the games. I don't understand why fans who buy the console for the new Mario or Zelda complain about it being a gimmick.
Poll: Nintendo's Quality In Consoles (i.e. Motion Controls and 3D)
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Yeah, it's pretty good. It's like the original Animal Crossing with a lot more stuff. Use the Gamecube Controller though, Wiimote and Nunchuck don't really feel right when playing it.starwarsgeek said:
It is a very kiddy game, you should take note, but it is still an addicting game to play, if you can get past that kiddy feel. Luckily I got into the franchise at a rather early age (8 or 7 I think?) and I've grown comfortable with it.
why complain when the best games from nintendo in the last recent yours have been of such mind boggling quality? the mario galaxy games, DK country, metroid corruption (which also prove motion sensing could work very well). just because they also have third party developers who put out shovelware. the other consoles are worse because they actually market their crap as good games (haze, too human anyone?). at least nintendo maintains its high production quality, even if it is only for first party titles.
why complain when the best games from nintendo in the last recent yours have been of such mind boggling quality? the mario galaxy games, DK country, metroid corruption (which also prove motion sensing could work very well). just because they also have third party developers who put out shovelware. the other consoles are worse because they actually market their crap as good games (haze, too human anyone?). at least nintendo maintains its high production quality, even if it is only for first party titles.
*Breathe In*Phoenix_XIII said:
Neither was the PSP.
Or the PS3.
Or the Wii.
Or the- for the love of god, it's been two and a half months and people are already griping that the console doesn't have a full library. It took Sony a good 5 years to get an actual library together for the PSP. I don't see what the big deal is.
Thing is, people buy Nintendo consoles for the games, even when the games aren't out yet. While they do do the most experimentation with their consoles, most of the games are crafted safely, with the occassional deviation like Wind Waker or Other M.
Another thing, Other M was made by Team Ninja. I am aware that Nintendo allowed them to make it, but it's not something to go pinning the blame on Nintendo for. That's like blaming Lair on Sony.
Another thing, I will never fully comprehend the argument that "The Nintendo I knew and loved is gone now." People. It's not just that Nintendo's changed. They've changed. They're, like, 5...6...15 years older then they were during those christmas mornings when they unwrapped that NES box and played Mario Bros/Duck Hunt. That feeling usually can't be recaptured, though Nintendo has done a damn good job trying.
NEEEEEERD RAAAAAAGE over....*Breathe Out*
There's only a few games I'm looking forward to for the 3DS. One or two are ports, and the other.... I can't even remember.
Okay. Here's something I've found lately I've been having to put in threads I make.
I'm not trying to start arguments or fights on here. I don't mean to start controversial discussions. All I mean to do is to start a calm discussion.
Yes, the way I worded things made it sound like I'm trying to start stuff, but I'm not. I unintentionally say things in certain ways. So if I angered anyone during the course of this discussion, I apologize. I did not mean to anger anyone.
I'm not trying to start arguments or fights on here. I don't mean to start controversial discussions. All I mean to do is to start a calm discussion.
Yes, the way I worded things made it sound like I'm trying to start stuff, but I'm not. I unintentionally say things in certain ways. So if I angered anyone during the course of this discussion, I apologize. I did not mean to anger anyone.
Anybody who thinks adding a gyroscope to the controller isn't an improvement is stupid.....end of story.....seriously.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions about 3d. I prefer 3d to 2d, but I realize that the effect isn't always perfect, the technology is infantile, and the development requirements are most likely not worth the payoff.
I love my Wii and my DS/3DS, and I love Nintendo for not becoming complacent with their hardware. Whether all their experiments were successes or not, nobody can say that they're not trying new things or expanding the market, which any gaming advocate should appreciate.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions about 3d. I prefer 3d to 2d, but I realize that the effect isn't always perfect, the technology is infantile, and the development requirements are most likely not worth the payoff.
I love my Wii and my DS/3DS, and I love Nintendo for not becoming complacent with their hardware. Whether all their experiments were successes or not, nobody can say that they're not trying new things or expanding the market, which any gaming advocate should appreciate.
I think Nintendo wants to be different so hard they sacrifice quality. And they have sacrificed quality. Graphics on the Wii are barely better than Gamecube, Online support sucks. Motion controls are finnicky, regardless of the game. Additional hardware has done nothing to solve these issues.
3D is not good for games the way it is implemented, at least until we have a working Matrix.
Motion controls were done back in the NES days, and it barely works better now.
3D is not good for games the way it is implemented, at least until we have a working Matrix.
Motion controls were done back in the NES days, and it barely works better now.
Phoenix_XIII said:
Ice Azure said:
Alrighty, I'll try it out. As a lifelong fan of Nintendo, kiddiness doesn't really bother me.
Far be it from me to not take a moment out of my day to take the opportunity to lay into Nintendo. The Wii, was a Gamecube with shitty controls. Sure it brought in the casual crowd and I'm sure the millions of copies of Wii Sports it sold was well worth Nintendo's time and money. Sadly the shovelware that makes up the rest of the Wii library isn't fit to scrape dog shit off the bottom of my shoe.
And before anyone goes and gets their offical Nintendo Fun Club underroos in a bunch I'm well aware there were Zelda games, and Mario games, and Metroid games, and Kirby games but ya know what there were those same bloody IP for every damn Nintendo console dating back to the bloody NES. Milking the same content for two and a half god damn decades is a bit much by anyone's standards I'd think.
Bottom line the Wii is a Gamecube with bad controls with a library of shovelware and games we've been playing over and over for the past 25 years.
Now on to the 3DS. I feel I should preface this by saying I loved the regular DS. Best damn portable console available. However, the 3DS is no DS to put it lightly. The "3D" effects look more like various 2D objects placed either in front or behind other 2DS objects more than they actually look like anything resembling actual 3D.
The real kick to the nuts is the library though. I'm fairly certain the 3DS wasn't made for anything that might be mistaken as an original game. Oh no, it's sole purpose appears to be nothing more than a handy excuse to release the same old titles we played as far back as the SNES days except in 3D !!! We already paid full price for these titles back when they were on the SNES, or N64, or DS, or whatever system they were on previously so why the hell would anyone right thinking individual choose to pay full price for them again just to play them in some kind of jacked over 3D.
Bottom line, the 3DS has more in common with a viewmaster than it does an actual 3D experience and exists only as a platform to remake titles in "3D" and charge people full price all over again.
Nintendo can NOT get over with people on the quality of their product alone. They rely on their gimmicks to mask their obvious shortcomings the way a street magician uses misdirection to fool their audience. They are behind the times and rather than catching up with the rest of the pack they choose to pander to the casual crowd. When you look past all the gimmicky smoke and mirrors Nintendo is still the same company it was 13 years ago during the N64 days when it decided that crazy CD technology was never going to catch on and cartridges were the real wave of the future.
And before anyone goes and gets their offical Nintendo Fun Club underroos in a bunch I'm well aware there were Zelda games, and Mario games, and Metroid games, and Kirby games but ya know what there were those same bloody IP for every damn Nintendo console dating back to the bloody NES. Milking the same content for two and a half god damn decades is a bit much by anyone's standards I'd think.
Bottom line the Wii is a Gamecube with bad controls with a library of shovelware and games we've been playing over and over for the past 25 years.
Now on to the 3DS. I feel I should preface this by saying I loved the regular DS. Best damn portable console available. However, the 3DS is no DS to put it lightly. The "3D" effects look more like various 2D objects placed either in front or behind other 2DS objects more than they actually look like anything resembling actual 3D.
The real kick to the nuts is the library though. I'm fairly certain the 3DS wasn't made for anything that might be mistaken as an original game. Oh no, it's sole purpose appears to be nothing more than a handy excuse to release the same old titles we played as far back as the SNES days except in 3D !!! We already paid full price for these titles back when they were on the SNES, or N64, or DS, or whatever system they were on previously so why the hell would anyone right thinking individual choose to pay full price for them again just to play them in some kind of jacked over 3D.
Bottom line, the 3DS has more in common with a viewmaster than it does an actual 3D experience and exists only as a platform to remake titles in "3D" and charge people full price all over again.
Nintendo can NOT get over with people on the quality of their product alone. They rely on their gimmicks to mask their obvious shortcomings the way a street magician uses misdirection to fool their audience. They are behind the times and rather than catching up with the rest of the pack they choose to pander to the casual crowd. When you look past all the gimmicky smoke and mirrors Nintendo is still the same company it was 13 years ago during the N64 days when it decided that crazy CD technology was never going to catch on and cartridges were the real wave of the future.
No offense but when it comes to gaming I consider myself as hardcore as anyone else and to put it bluntly Nintendo is the only company who's products I haven't had fail. They aren't built to regularly break. The Wii didn't alienate me, I bought one, just like 4 or 5 other "hardcore" gamers I know. So I really don't know what you mean when you use that term. You may not like them or understand their business plan although I agree with you that it has SO very little to do with the "hardcore" crowd. Wah. The "hardcore" is now a niche market anyway. Any good business is going to go where the money is. Still, it's hard to argue with Nintendo's success. (It's doubless that you will probably try however....)Phoenix_XIII said:
As for 3-D in movies and games I see more than a gimmick there just like I do with motion control, I enjoy both and it's always fun to wonder what will they come up with next? Try to remember when Nolan Bushnell was showing people two digital lines that knocked a square about a monochrome screen back and forth, that was just a "gimmick" as well. So it was an American gimmick that made possible every game you play today.
Also could you tell me what was meant by the last option in your poll, yeah your poll is skewed to lean towards "Nintendo sucks now either way, me hardcore, me most important customer, wah!!" but the last option makes no sense whatever.