Poll: No Girls Allowed (I might actually be okay with that, unless the game sucks)
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I am entertained at the notion people have that adding female characters wouldnt be that hard. Reminds me of a thread elsewhere, where the OP was saying they should add hundreds of guns to a game like COD, and everyone that went into the thread gave him a verbal beating about how time consuming and expensive it could be to produce all those guns... or a few said play Borderlands, but thats beside the point.
Brink could have had either large customization ability or both genders, and honestly, I could have worked with a small selection of clothes, and male avatars only. I dont see it like Oblivion or FO3, where I can play a female avatar and actually see her (which actually makes the game harder to play, thusly the third-person is IMO useless).
I really dont give a rats ass about there being no women avatars, cause I just dont see why it is needed. I also dont care for the arguement that goes, "well, for all the customization options they're saying it has, its stupid they didnt add females!" (<paraphrasing)
In short, the customization is a nice touch, but im wanting this game for the ability to run up and over a wall and pump a face full of lead... and creating a TF2 spy looking character for shits and giggles.
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Oblivion had horrible chracter customization. The models sucked to began with, I actually doenloaded character model mods to change the looks so they actually looked human. Plus Oblivion didnt really come off as a "finished" game. For the depth of customization they had, they had to have sacraficed alot of things... like decent voice acting... and animations...
Brink could have had either large customization ability or both genders, and honestly, I could have worked with a small selection of clothes, and male avatars only. I dont see it like Oblivion or FO3, where I can play a female avatar and actually see her (which actually makes the game harder to play, thusly the third-person is IMO useless).
I really dont give a rats ass about there being no women avatars, cause I just dont see why it is needed. I also dont care for the arguement that goes, "well, for all the customization options they're saying it has, its stupid they didnt add females!" (<paraphrasing)
In short, the customization is a nice touch, but im wanting this game for the ability to run up and over a wall and pump a face full of lead... and creating a TF2 spy looking character for shits and giggles.
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[HEADING=1] LAWL!!!!![/HEADING]Iron Criterion said:
Oblivion had horrible chracter customization. The models sucked to began with, I actually doenloaded character model mods to change the looks so they actually looked human. Plus Oblivion didnt really come off as a "finished" game. For the depth of customization they had, they had to have sacraficed alot of things... like decent voice acting... and animations...
I am disappointed that brink will not have females. I believe have both sexes adds to the whole feel of the game (I do belive we would see more females then males ingame). Saying that if it would have impacted the overall game then it show be removed. Hopefully they will patch/DLC females into the game.
Halo Reach lets you change genders. I don't see why this should not be an option unless you have an established character and altering the gender would cause extreme alterations to the dialogue or plot.
Not entirely true, but the armies that give women combat roles suffer. Carrying a stretcher went from a two man job to a four person job, so even if there are two men who would be perfectly fine carrying the stretcher, and there are no women on the field at all, there's still four men necessary to do it, which seriously dilutes resources. The armies that don't have women in combat roles realise that practicality is more important than equal rights.Wilson Driesens said:
OT: Eh, it's an FPS... and you could probably pull off some pretty androgynous men if the character customisation is as good as they say. Hopefully it's something they fix with an update/free DLC, as it's a bit odd not to have but that's really the least of my concerns.
* Seconds This *Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
So... Having female characters would bring down the customization options...
This sounds like an excuse to be lazy to me BUT I may be wrong.
Still it will most likely be enough to keep me from playing Brink. Maybe I'm to picky but I like playing with female characters.
Personally, I'm not bothered. Although I'm a female, I prefer to play male characters. But still, if a game boasts customization, they should make an effort to include both genders.
What is the reason they aren't including female characters?
What is the reason they aren't including female characters?
Yep. Of course it would be entirely too much to suggest that they just cull the male models. Isn't it really weird? In real life women are allotted by far the most freedom to alter their appearance, but yet in videogames they're apparently so hard to depict as individuals that one of the reasons there's only one female character in TF2 is 'they'd all look alike'.Outright Villainy said:
I think this is just so the (straight) guys can have their pretty dress me up time without being socially ostracised, personally.
Well considering the art style females could look badass so i'm surprised, but honestly, brink annoys me. I could never get excited about it even though i love parkour and do it myself. Even after seeing the cool art style and sexy maps i still didn't think much of it. Then i realized except for some aesthetics brink seems like a generic fps using parkour as it's gimmick . I do see the attraction though and i do find the lack of a female character weird in these times. We just need more women in the industry.
It is weird to boast character customization and neglect gender choice.
. I do see the attraction though and i do find the lack of a female character weird in these times. We just need more women in the industry.It is weird to boast character customization and neglect gender choice.
Oh I can imagine how much effort goes into making two genders - I think you misunderstand my point. My point is that (to me, anyway), choosing your character's gender is a much more significant step in customising how your character appears than worrying whether they can coordinate their socks with their sweater. Perhaps it's just because I personally don't need 200 layerable items of clothing for my characters - 70 is probably quite enough for each; I'd rather be able to choose whether to play as a man or a woman than have an extra hundred odd shirt options. Still a weak excuse, I think.GLo Jones said:
While I don't care either way if the main character's male gender is cannon, when it's customizable I like choosing chicks. So yeah, I was also a tad bit disappointed when I found out that it's only guy characters in Brink.
Oh well, I'm still really stoked.
Oh well, I'm still really stoked.
Agreed. From what I understand of the in-game universe, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If the circumstances are as dire as the game makes them out to be, how is it that both sides of the conflict can reject the potential help of the fairer sex? I'm pretty sure there would some examples of games including the option of playing as women, when it doesn't make complete or even partial sense with their in-game universes. There's really no excuse I can think of here.Phenom828 said:
Poor form, Splash Damage, poor form.
I thought Valve said that initially they thought of having 2 sets of classes, 1 male and 1 female for each role, but cut it when they saw the memory issue, or having 18 distinct silouettes would be a problem (which I agree with actually.) They could have just had a mix of some male and female, which afterward they said they should have done. So if it's not in Tf3, then we can get up in their grill! I think what confuses most gamers is that women can have just as much diversity in shape and size as men. Yay for generic portryal of women in videogames! I don't think you can really blame valve for that though, having two of my favourite female characters ever and all...Serenegoose said:Yep. Of course it would be entirely too much to suggest that they just cull the male models. Isn't it really weird? In real life women are allotted by far the most freedom to alter their appearance, but yet in videogames they're apparently so hard to depict as individuals that one of the reasons there's only one female character in TF2 is 'they'd all look alike'.Outright Villainy said:
I think this is just so the (straight) guys can have their pretty dress me up time without being socially ostracised, personally.
Meh. While I usually will play as a female character if the option is there (Saints Row 2, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Fallout, etc.), very occasionally I won't, so I guess it doesn't really matter. The only example I can think of where I have the option and still play as a guy is Borderlands, but only because the lone female character just wasn't the kind of character I wanted to play. Plus, it just doesn't matter as much in an FPS.
I enjoy having both genders there, because games that have character customisation I will generally play at least twice, and I tend to have my first playthrough as a male, and second as a female. Lesser customisation doesn't bother me too much. The ones I only care for customisation are usually ones where you get more in terms of stats and abilities, and that isn't cut down with a second gender.
Perhaps I misremembered the commentary then - yes, certainly, too many silhouettes would have been a problem - but I was sure I also remembered them saying female silhouettes would not be distinct enough due to the relatively small range of body shapes people expect women to inhabit, whereas with men they had leeway to include diversity as wide as say, the scout to the heavy. If they said they should have mixed in retrospect, then I'm fine with that.Outright Villainy said:I thought Valve said that initially they thought of having 2 sets of classes, 1 male and 1 female for each role, but cut it when they saw the memory issue, or having 18 distinct silouettes would be a problem (which I agree with actually.) They could have just had a mix of some male and female, which afterward they said they should have done. So if it's not in Tf3, then we can get up in their grill! I think what confuses most gamers is that women can have just as much diversity in shape and size as men. Yay for generic portryal of women in videogames! I don't think you can really blame valve for that though, having two of my favourite female characters ever and all...Serenegoose said:Yep. Of course it would be entirely too much to suggest that they just cull the male models. Isn't it really weird? In real life women are allotted by far the most freedom to alter their appearance, but yet in videogames they're apparently so hard to depict as individuals that one of the reasons there's only one female character in TF2 is 'they'd all look alike'.Outright Villainy said:
I think this is just so the (straight) guys can have their pretty dress me up time without being socially ostracised, personally.
Also, I wasn't blaming them for the trend - but more saying that if even a developer that is pretty roundly recognised as generally one that puts the effort in can't even manage, then A: what does that say about us as a community, and B: I'm less surprised when less talented developers don't manage it.
Speaking of awesome female characters one of whom you were talking about specifically if not by name... have you read part 2 of the l4d comic? Haaarsh.