Poll: No-kids-allowed movement. Yay or nay?

[Sarkule]

I disagree with this in some ways. Venues should reserve the right to kick out annoying children etc, but not outright ban them.
I remember my parents taking me to lots of places that weren't child oriented, like restaurants, the theatre, ballet etc. and I was never one of those annoying children, and it really gave me a lot of experience and helps me be the classy ***** I am today!

 

[cbert]

Sorry for the double post...

For that reason, I oppose the ban. Age-ism is discrimination - blaming a class of citizens for some bad apples is indefensible.

A: children aren't full citizens. The very definition of citizenship is contingent upon adulthood.

B: children can't go see R-rated movies, form legally binding contracts or drive motorcycles. Single middle aged men aren't very well liked on playgrounds. Do those constitute discrimination?

In many countries, children aren't allowed in pubs and bars, the (non-screaming) Baby Jesus be praised. What about that?

Point taken, but banning children from places where they are currently allowed is problematic. I wouldn't support exclusion from restaurants or movie theaters based on age, but that should be left to the owners of the establishments.

... what's wrong with single middle-aged men on playgrounds? I just like watching the kiddies....

 

[Davih]

I disagree with the ban. Yes children can be a nuisance and yes it can be annoying when a kid starts screaming when he doesn't get his own way but it's not right to ban children under the age of 6, you essentially ban their parents as well.

Would the parent also have to prove their child is over the age of 6 (or whatever age) just so they can go there? They can't exactly get small ID cards for a 7 year old to carry around wherever they go.

And even then a 7 year+ child can play up just as much as 3-4 year old.

If you want to go shopping/whatever without children playing up go later in the day. You won't get many children at the shops after 7 o'clock

 

[IceStar100]

I remember back when I was 19 I was a life guard at hurrican Harbor (Water Park). This kid was pushing hitting splashing ect other kids. I went to the mom who was sun bathing and asked for her help. She told me to well was not polite. Seeing she was not going to help I ask the manger what to do before I act. He said kick him out so I did. Guess who tore my head off for upseting her angel and making them cry. Again call manger he takes it for a second calls head superviser. Super banns entire family from park.

Long story short if you won't controll your kids then the public should be allowed to.

 

[XxSummonerxX]

I approve of this, but with some modifications. I'm not going to go on and say "BAN KIDS FROM ALL PARKS AND ALL CINEMAS AND ALL RESTAURANTS!", but maybe "Ban children from certain parks, all movies, even when accompanied by an adult, certain cinemas, and all restaurants that qualify as "Good" (Example: Not McDonalds)

Just gonna share a few stories.

13-14 hour flight from Hawaii back home to Adelaide? Babies crying for about half of it. And it was the half I should have been sleeping (tried to maintain a regular sleep pattern). I requested to be moved to another part of the plane, and when I was declined, asked the mother to (politely) please shut the baby up. She then raged at me about how I can't tell her to how to be a parent, and this is just the way her child is and blah blah blah. Wanker.

Annoying Question Child.
I go to see Dead Man's Chest (yes, this was a while ago, deal with it). "Who's that Mummy?" "That's Jack Sparrow" "Who's he?" "The Captain of the ship" "Why is he fighting people? Why does that guy have tentacles on his face?" SHUT UP KID!

AVCON
For all you Adelaid...ians? Adelaidians? That'll do... For all you Adelaidians who love AVCON, I was a volunteer there this year (last week) and I had a joyfully joyful experience of kids carrying around cosplay swords, and fighting each other with them. Some of those were solid... metal... steel I assume. That and kids "accidentally tripping over cords" (which is impossible because of the desk arrangement), taking the game out during play, coming into restricted areas and generally annoying me and some of the exhibitors, vendors, and VIPs. Should not be a place for children to go.

 

[wilsontheterrible]

I wouldn't bring a baby anywhere, more because I'd be afraid of the kid catching something from all the people around than the off chance it starts crying. But I'm not going to punish parents for wanting to go somewhere with their kids.

 

[Folksoul]

It's perfectly alright as long as they're behaving themselves, but I don't want to hear a baby crying or a tantrum because you've never heard of take-out or Netflics.

If the kid acts up and cannot* or will not** stop, they should leave.

*Baby crying- I know the parents can't help it but you are disrupting everyone else. If it cannot be settled quickly, please leave.
**Brat is either ignoring the parents or the parents are ignoring the problem. They need to go.

 

[Mr Pantomime]

Its a pretty silly idea. It doesnt give any way for perfectly nice children (which really most of them are) to participate in these activities. Im more in favour of a system that, if someone is causing a problem, they are removed. Whether it be a screaming child, someone smoking inside, or an idiot on his cellphone.

If this idea is widely implemented, children are just going to be seen as a nuisance, some second class citizen looked upon with distain. It would be nice to see them treated as people, rather than an unwanted annoyance.

 

[Fbuh]

I could go either way with this. I work at a Wal~Mart Vision Center, and we have all these nice neat rows of glasses. This one lady likes to come in from time to time with about 6 kids, all of which are poorly behaved little shits that like to runa round and throw teh glasses. God forbid you speak to her children, though, or she'll open up and sart screaming at you for trying to parent her kids. I haven't actually seen her come in yet, but I'm waiting for it.

In a similar story, my fiance was working at Dollar Tree awhile back and a lady with about 8 kids come in. They immediately start running around teh store, screaming and yelling and throwing shit. My fiance says
"Ma'am, you need to control your children." The lady responds
"What am I supposed to do about it?" in a really arrogant and snotty manner. My fiance replies
"Then stop breeding." The lady left the store.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

If a business wants to refuse service to a customer because they are in the company of children, then they are entirely within their right to do so. The market is perfectly capable of punishing a sloppy application of such a rule.

 

[Life_Is_A_Mess]

I sorta support it. I'd prefer a one chance rule, if the kid starts crying, off with them and the respective parents. Then parents would notice that for them to have fun, their kids need to be educated.
For example, kids don't belong in fancy restaurants (one chance rule here), but they and their parents couuld eat without misbehaving restrictions at a McDonald's.

 

[Stalydan]

No! No irresponsible parents allowed should be the movement though. Kids misbehave but a good parent will get them to stop. If a kid starts crying a cinema, the parent should take them outside and get them to calm down or alternatively leave. I agree with a member of staff asking people to leave a restaurant because the kid(s) is/are being too loud but not letting people in because they have kids is pretty much discrimination of some kind. Some kids are quiet and polite but some kids aren't. Exact same for adults too.

 

[Kargathia]

It's really quite amusing to hear complaints that parents "should get their kids to behave". Just sit down, and ask your own mother how well-behaved you were age 6. Don't blame kids for doing what kids do, and are supposed to do.

On the whole though I can support places who feel that they'd make their customers happier by banning children. Variety and choice are good - as long as being child-unfriendly doesn't become the norm even more than it already is.

 

[i7omahawki]

I'm behind it for certain places.

During my graduation we had a kid crying non-stop, even there I couldn't escape them.

I don't think they should be completely separated from society, of course, and we should all have exposure to the different people who make up society. But there should be places where, if your kid is loud and disruptive, you are asked to leave.

 

[newwiseman]

I was in the theater for Horrible Bosses a couple weeks back and some dumbass brought a baby with them. That cried A LOT... they should have to pay for everyone of our tickets for that BS.

 

[ProtonGuy]

Ok all these people who are against this because of the"it makes it hard for the parents to go out" argument are blithering idiots. If you are responsible for rearing a young child, just don't go the fuck out. God forbid you try to raise a polite, and well behaved child. Also if money is that tight then why the hell did you reproduce in the first place, and don't give me that "accident" bullshit everyone knows the potential consequences for that act.