Poll: No Reality In This Classroom!

[Kushin]

Well lets see, I sit in a desk for 2 hours and get lectured, then I move to a DIFFERENT desk and get lectured again. That certainly sounds like the real world to me.

Although I have to say highschool is alot more realistic. Its grade school that used to drill holes in my fucking skull. Walk in a straight line. Give me 10 real life scenarios where that would apply, and I will sacrifice my left nut

1)Tightrope Walking
2)Sobriety Test
3)Army Marching
4)Marching In A Parade
5)Drawing Road Markings
6)Walking On A Pavement/Sidewalk
7)Retrieving Your Diploma At Graduation
8)Perfectly Circumnavigating The Globe
9)Measuring A Mile By Footsteps
10)That Long Walk To The Girl's Door For A First Date (Straightest. Line. Ever.)
11)You May Be Lost, Without Training You Will End Up Going In Circles (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6804130.ece)<- Citation
12)If You Walk Diagonally Constantly, You'd Be Deemed Pretty Damn Wierd.

Pick 10 and provide evidence thanks

OT: Generally, my teachers have been cool about their mistakes. Some get stressed but if they can't accept their own personal flaws then why bother becoming a teacher?

 

[Sightless Wisdom]

I fully agree. I'm currently in grade ten, my second out of four years of Highschool, and I've had many such conflicts in the past. Sadly I'm terrible with examples... so I'll use a minor one from today.

I was in math class, and our teacher had just assigned our homework. She gave us the last 20 minutes of class to work on it. Me, being the kind of person I am decided I'd rather talk to my friends who were sitting beside me, and do my homework at home. Apperently I'm crazy. My teacher came over to my desk and told me to do my work in class, "but it's homework isn't it" I said to her. She responded with a "No, it's classwork". At this time I looked behind her to see what was written on the board: Homeworkinsert page and questions here). I laughed and pointed it out, I also said that it's my responsibility to get it done and that I would do it tonight. She completely ignored that and asked if I would rather she continue teaching, to go on to the next lesson. I told her nor because it would e counter-productive but that wouldn't be what our homework was about and thus confusing. She said"Exactley". Now the problem here is that she insisted that me sitting here and saving my homework for home was counter-productive aswell. As if it were somehow undoing any progress I'd made. Obviously this is completely absurd. Because of little things like this, I often get detentions, I've been near suspensions may times and likely expulsion.

The teachers don't seem to understand logic, it truelly bothers me.

Okay, don't take this the wrong way, but I hate you. I hate you. I hate your attitude, I hate your post, and if this is representative, I hate your life and I hate everything you stand for.

The teacher gave you an assignment. A perfectly reasonable one: Do your homework in class. This kind of thing happens all the time, maybe you got through the work faster than expected, maybe the class understood the material better than most, maybe she just planned badly. So she sets you something useful to do with your time (Yes, homework is useful) rather than just wasting the rest of the lesson and you decide to be horrendously arrogant and up yourself and argue with her. For. No. Reason.

This isn't "logic" it's belligerence. You weren't given a detention for contradicting her, you were given detention for being a dick.

I'm glad you hate me. I'll take it as a complement to my understanding of the world.

My problem is not that she gave us homework. It's she blatently ignored everything I said. The she worded it, she just didn't listen whatsoever. If she had provided ANY sort of arguement that made sense, I would have been fine with it. Instead she just pulled a ***** move, and said...no, do it. There was no reason for this, I was disturbing nobody, not causing any problems...nothing.

She didn't need to give a reason. You were disrupting the class for no good reason. Arguing just prolongs the disruption. And yes, refusing to do work disrupts the class. She has to take time to deal with you rather than helping others, you're distracting your neighbours etc.

You were entirely in the wrong. She set work, you refused to do it on a fantastically trivial reason.

No, I was not in any way disturbing or dissrupting the class. I didn't speak out while she was otherwise engaged, I was talking at a resonable level, more quiet than that of those around me. When she came over and we had a private discussion. That's not distrupting, that's being inquisitive. I wanted to know why she was forcing something upon me when the way I would've(and to my credit eventually did) done things worked just as well with no negative effects to anyone.

So, I believe I was neither wrong nor right. And that infact, was my point.

 

[Sightless Wisdom]

I should've put this in my last post but whatever.

One thing I hate is what people are saying about teachers being our suppirriors. That just bothers me. It goes against any sort of idea of equallity I have. There have been two types of teachers in the past, good and bad. The good I treat with respect not anymore than they give me, but equal. The bad, I talk to the same way and they think I'm being offensive, and I get in shit for it. I treat everyone with an equal amount of respect until they prove they are worth more or less. Additionally, though I'm leagally required to go to school up to a certain point, I'm nto required to be nice to all my teachers, jsut follow the rules and pass the courses. Which I do, and the majority of the time with better than average grades.

Firstly I had to quote this, I may be missing carefully crafted satire however. I would say they are your Superiors simply because they are able to spell the word correctly! Teachers have the single worst job in the world especially in Britain at the moment. You see a child coming into school every day covered in bruises, do you report it? If the answer is yes you can get in horrible trouble, social services may not give a damn and that then opens the abusive parents ability to sue you for slander. If the answer is no then it reaches the papers and "Teacher ignores abuse!" stories appear and you use your job.

See a fight, break it up or not? If the answer is yes you open yourself to injury, reprisal and accusation of inappropriate touching. No and you stand and watch a child be beaten to a pulp. You have no powers to discipline apart from talking to them.

School was a hellish place for me when I was a pupil, I was thrashed by a teacher so I can see the flip side of the arguement as well!

But teachers have to be accountants, bouncers, police, educators, psychiatrists and psychologists with a little twist of social worker! So bear them and the system a thought.

Its as always politicians that fuck up everything with their stupid and illogical policies. Why can't Obama's America annex us and save us from the predations of the Brown government?

That avoids my point entirely. But it was logical, and didn't just say "Your wrong", So thanks. The thing is, they chose to take the job, they get paid for the job. So it's their duty to do the job properly. I've had plenty of great teachers who've done that, I enjoyed their classes, I learned...hell sometimes I was actually entertained. For those teachers, I can honestly say the respect is due. For the others...not so much.

"You see a child coming into school every day covered in bruises, do you report it? If the answer is yes you can get in horrible trouble, social services may not give a damn and that then opens the abusive parents ability to sue you for slander. If the answer is no then it reaches the papers and "Teacher ignores abuse!" stories appear and you use your job.

See a fight, break it up or not? If the answer is yes you open yourself to injury, reprisal and accusation of inappropriate touching. No and you stand and watch a child be beaten to a pulp. You have no powers to discipline apart from talking to them."

As for that, if I were a teacher I really wouldn't give a damn. This may to you seem immature. My response: I don't give a damn. See, I live a very neutral life, if I'm not interested with something then I wont have anything to do with it. If I see a child with bruises...what do I care, I likely wont know him once he's out of my class. If I see a child getting beat by another, I tell him to stop, that doesn't work I tell the police. Not my problem.

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

Well lets see, I sit in a desk for 2 hours and get lectured, then I move to a DIFFERENT desk and get lectured again. That certainly sounds like the real world to me.

Although I have to say highschool is alot more realistic. Its grade school that used to drill holes in my fucking skull. Walk in a straight line. Give me 10 real life scenarios where that would apply, and I will sacrifice my left nut

1)Tightrope Walking
2)Sobriety Test
3)Army Marching
4)Marching In A Parade
5)Drawing Road Markings
6)Walking On A Pavement/Sidewalk
7)Retrieving Your Diploma At Graduation
8)Perfectly Circumnavigating The Globe
9)Measuring A Mile By Footsteps
10)That Long Walk To The Girl's Door For A First Date (Straightest. Line. Ever.)
11)You May Be Lost, Without Training You Will End Up Going In Circles (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6804130.ece)<- Citation
12)If You Walk Diagonally Constantly, You'd Be Deemed Pretty Damn Wierd.

Pick 10 and provide evidence thanks

OT: Generally, my teachers have been cool about their mistakes. Some get stressed but if they can't accept their own personal flaws then why bother becoming a teacher?

Alright you got me.

 

[Chuplayer]

That was nothing compared to my 9th grade teacher, however. She... was surprised to learn that dihydrogen monoxide killes large numbers of people each year.

You're... you're kidding, right?

My favorite bit of unreality in school was from 10th grade English. The teacher told us to make "great philosophical connections" between things that didn't necessarily have anything to do with anything. The hilarious thing is that everybody failed their rough drafts because nobody thought that doing anything so damn stupid would get them a good grade. So almost everybody wrote straight-up biographies.

My mom was in her helicopter parent stage at that point, and while I was smart enough to realize exactly what had to be done despite how enormously stupid it was, I couldn't win over he argument that I should have been writing up lies. Specifically, I had to connect song lyrics from Elvis's songs with this life. (I was doing my paper on Elvis Presley.) That sounded great in theory, but what I had to do was connect songs to his life that had no chronological possibility of being connected or just plain not being written by him. So, my mom forced me to write a biography. And of course, she flipped a shit when I failed the rough draft.

Once I got it through my mom's thick skull that I had to write these deep philosophical lies, she let off the reins a little bit and let me write my deep philosophical lies. Eventually, I spent some time after school with the teacher who "guided" me in making my paper even more great and philosophical. We were going over every word with a fine toothed comb just to make things seem more profound.

Now, if all of this so far sounds absolutely batshit, that's because it was. I swear, I was so far removed from reality by that point in my life that I was in a bad spot in my mind. This was like hardcore destructive school unreality compounded with my mom being a psycho and a cocktail of other crazy things going on behind the scenes which are beyond the scope of this topic.

But this one paper stands out as the single most bizarre part of my life. I was literally making up lies to get a good grade. The teacher sanctioned it. It was the entire point of the paper. All my life, I was told not to make up stories. My paper was as far removed from reality as my ass is from the dark side of Europa.

I could go on and on about how the assignment didn't help me later in life, but that's already obvious. What I don't understand is how it was supposed to do anything for me or anybody else in the class at that time in our lives. Like I said, everybody failed their first draft specifically because nobody believed they would have to do anything so ludicrously nonsensical. They were at a loss for what to do, so they wrote biographies. That was the sensible solution. Too bad the paper didn't make any sense.

My brain's doing backflips just trying to explain this right now. I'm not kidding when I said it was the most bizarre thing I ever experienced. I just... I just think I'm done talking about it.

 

[Chuplayer]

That was nothing compared to my 9th grade teacher, however. She... was surprised to learn that dihydrogen monoxide killes large numbers of people each year.

You're... you're kidding, right?

My favorite bit of unreality in school was from 10th grade English. The teacher told us to make "great philosophical connections" between things that didn't necessarily have anything to do with anything. The hilarious thing is that everybody failed their rough drafts because nobody thought that doing anything so damn stupid would get them a good grade. So almost everybody wrote straight-up biographies.

My mom was in her helicopter parent stage at that point, and while I was smart enough to realize exactly what had to be done despite how enormously stupid it was, I couldn't win over he argument that I should have been writing up lies. Specifically, I had to connect song lyrics from Elvis's songs with this life. (I was doing my paper on Elvis Presley.) That sounded great in theory, but what I had to do was connect songs to his life that had no chronological possibility of being connected or just plain not being written by him. So, my mom forced me to write a biography. And of course, she flipped a shit when I failed the rough draft.

Once I got it through my mom's thick skull that I had to write these deep philosophical lies, she let off the reins a little bit and let me write my deep philosophical lies. Eventually, I spent some time after school with the teacher who "guided" me in making my paper even more great and philosophical. We were going over every word with a fine toothed comb just to make things seem more profound.

Now, if all of this so far sounds absolutely batshit, that's because it was. I swear, I was so far removed from reality by that point in my life that I was in a bad spot in my mind. This was like hardcore destructive school unreality compounded with my mom being a psycho and a cocktail of other crazy things going on behind the scenes which are beyond the scope of this topic.

But this one paper stands out as the single most bizarre part of my life. I was literally making up lies to get a good grade. The teacher sanctioned it. It was the entire point of the paper. All my life, I was told not to make up stories. My paper was as far removed from reality as my ass is from the dark side of Europa.

I could go on and on about how the assignment didn't help me later in life, but that's already obvious. What I don't understand is how it was supposed to do anything for me or anybody else in the class at that time in our lives. Like I said, everybody failed their first draft specifically because nobody believed they would have to do anything so ludicrously nonsensical. They were at a loss for what to do, so they wrote biographies. That was the sensible solution. Too bad the paper didn't make any sense.

My brain's doing backflips just trying to explain this right now. I'm not kidding when I said it was the most bizarre thing I ever experienced. I just... I just think I'm done talking about it.

Well, on a philosophical level most things can be connected. Like zombies and the fear of death. We construct zombies because we fear death and would rather be mindless and alive.

My paper was nothing like that at all.

Zombies are a fictitious concept that is never portrayed as an actual part of real life. (Except for weird science news stories and such.) My "connections" I was making in my paper were presented as fact or at least some sort of truth.

 

[Thamous]

Schools need to stop sheltering children, there job is to prepare them for whatever real world pursuits they may have and keeping the real world out is only going to make it more of a shock when they leave school and figure out how the real world is.

 

[Darth Pope]

Meh, if you can get around the staggering level of ignorance in the student populace the high school I went to wasn't so bad.

 

[sethwood]

You wanna know why there isn't any reality in the classroom. Because schools hire a bunch of fucked up people who have lost any dreams they did have and shouldn't or aren't able to breed, and they know it. So they go through their lives torturing student do they don't quite feel bad when they go home to their shitty, little apartment at night to grade papers. Almost everyone of the teachers I have right now are like that. I know three are like that for sure.

Wow! As a teacher myself, I find this incredible offensive, and not even remotely true! Is there a story behind the bug up your ass?

Yeah there is, I live in one of the most fucked up school districts with a bunch a terrible teachers who won't even explain the material and then get mad at you for not knowing it. The list of hippocracy goes on and on at my school. I'm sorry you're offended, you might be a fine teacher, but the ones at my school are terrible, and I was citing only my experience with teachers. Just the teacher at my school, in general, are a bunch of lazy assholes.

 

[CIA]

That was nothing compared to my 9th grade teacher, however. She... was surprised to learn that dihydrogen monoxide killes large numbers of people each year.

You're... you're kidding, right?

I am in no way shitting you.

 

[Gerazzi]

Spoiler: Not really related to the OP

My problem is when we have to take classes that will NOT help us in the future.

This is one of the biggest problem with the American education system. Students that can not get out of the mentality that what they are learning will not help them in the future.

It depends heavily on what you plan to do with your future.
So it's not really fair to say that.

Of course if you think that either
(a) Math
or
(b) English
aren't going to help you, then you're stupid.

Also, I don't think schools have a warp in the space time continuum where reality ceases to make sense, but I think the argument that the schools may be lacking in logic holds up rather well.