Poll: NYTimes covers sexual harassment in the gamer community

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Phasmal said:
I think sometimes for nerdy people we can get into our own echo chamber where such things are completely normal so it's good for the rest of the world every now and again to go `Excuse me wtf are you doing?`. So I voted positive.

It's annoying for me to not be accepted because I'm a girl, especially in a community where many people understand what it is like to not be accepted and then just turn around and do it to other people. I really wish it wasn't an issue. Sometimes I just wanna talk games.

I spoke up when my boyfriend and his workmate were talking about Skyrim, dude was saying he was pretty new to the game but was getting quite far, I asked him what he was up to now and told him I was trying to complete the daedric quests but had one that was bugged.
Dude froze.

It easier to be a bloke gamer, I know. I've experienced it, pretending to be a guy does make it easier so I don't blame any girls who do.
My sister works at a retro game store. She runs into this kind of thing occasionally, but most the time they are just excited to have a girl to talk to about games. The funny part is that 90% of the stories she tells end in, "and he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about". Lol irony.
 

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A good read for the most part, however a few things are left out.
- they write the article as if gaming is the only place of bigotry
- they make it seem like bigotry is exclusively flung toward women
- they never mention Sarkeesian went trolling on 4chan to get her "proof" of abuse

Other then that it's a well written article, and it does outline the very real problem with this ever growing community.
Those things aren't really relevant to the topic of sexual harassment against women on games. One of them doesn't concern games, one of them doesn't concern women and one of them is completely irrelevant. Plus I'd say sexism is far more commonly associated with gaming than say homophobia or racism.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/g65iqn

Ah you misogynistic fuckwit, bet you were surprised when your shit got the attention of a national newspaper. "Mild hostility"?! There's trash talking then there's bullying, one is ok, one means you've probably ended your career right there.
 

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I'm glad that someone had a sit-down with microsoft about this. The tourney case discussed was admittedly, probably an outlier in how severe the issue is, but sexism, racism, homophobia are still clear and present things in gaming. So much so that it's just become slang. I didn't pick up the expression "That's so gay" from my parents.

The problem is accountability. That is, there isn't any. On most games its impossible to report someone. That is, the option just isn't there. Black Ops, I remember, had a step up, there was a button when you clicked on someone's gamertag that had a report, it was that easy. And it had "sexism/racism" as an option next to inappropriate gamertag/clan tag/emblem (Black Ops had a lot of dick emblems, which is a shame because that was one of the only really memorable things about that game for me. Nothing will ever do it again because of the nightmare of dealing with it.) Anyways, in most other games that option just doesn't exist. I don't know how to report someone to microsoft, and most punishment results in a slap on the wrist. At worst, you get a day taken off your account for something like that. If Microsoft would actually hold its customers accountable for what they're doing on their services, the problem would all but disappear in a few months. That isn't to say it's localized to the xbox, but that's clearly where the problem is worst.

Also, actually making trolling a recognizable offense would help. Most sites or services just refuse to do anything about it, when in reality a system for it should have been set in place long ago. Poof, 90% of all the internets problems disappear!
 

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Answer to online racism, harassment, bigotry, etc.:

make people accountable for what they say. Of course that requires you give up your anonymity.

Pick your poison.
 

Phasmal

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Aeonknight said:
Answer to online racism, harassment, bigotry, etc.:

make people accountable for what they say. Of course that requires you give up your anonymity.

Pick your poison.
I have a feeling that the anonymity will come to an end, it's not something I particularly want but I'm pretty sure if people can't control how much they act liks morons then we'll lose that choice.

Seventh Actuality said:
If the gaming community doesn't want its dirty laundry aired, it should wash its goddamned laundry.
I lol'd.

Fappy said:
My sister works at a retro game store. She runs into this kind of thing occasionally, but most the time they are just excited to have a girl to talk to about games. The funny part is that 90% of the stories she tells end in, "and he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about". Lol irony.
Most dudes I meet offline are excited to speak to a female gamer (though one of my boyfriend's mates has a running joke that I don't actually exist), it's usually online that people are shitheads about it, but I guess that ties into anonymity again.
 

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That was a good article. Not sure it will have much of an effect, but one can always hope.

Also, some of the comments made my brain hurt. There was one about 5-6 down about how "Nobody over the age of 22 should be playing anyway". I'm not even that old, and I took offense to that.
 

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Phasmal said:
If Zuckerberg has his way anonymity and privacy in general will be a thing of the past. Then again, internet culture is beginning to ingrain itself more and more into global culture. At some point there won't be a difference between the two.
 

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I`m still for the mute button and a ban option for people who can`t set their mouths straight, there`s already enough censorship out there and once it starts you don`t know what happens next. I don´t want politicians and uptight cunts (including males and females) fist videogames more than they already do.
 

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I don't get what you're trying to say about this displaying "our" dirty laundry. I know I don't sexually harass people, so there's nothing shameful about this for me. The fact is that an unusually large proportion of gamers (as compared to many other groups) harass women, and I don't see why others should want to protect those people and hide this.
 

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That's not a gaming problem, it's a console problem.

Any real PC game has basic in-game moderation tools, and server/mod/game communities don't have any qualms about permanently banning disruptive players. It's different in a matchmaking environment where players are all end-users and it's up to the developer, publisher or Microsoft to reprimand their own clients.
 

Aeonknight

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Thoric485 said:
That's not a gaming problem, it's a console problem.

Any real PC game has basic in-game moderation tools, and server/mod/game communities don't have any qualms about permanently banning disruptive players. It's different in a matchmaking environment where players are all end-users and it's up to the developer, publisher or Microsoft to reprimand their own clients.
Don't even bring PC elitism into this.

The mute button is just as effective as a ban option (which can be as easily abused as a mic option.)

And even if you ban them, it doesn't mean they just stopped existing. Your preferred platform is in this with the rest of "us".
 

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Noetherian said:
Okay, I quoted you mainly so I could say directly to you in a public forum, *thank you* for being one of the few humans ever who knows about The Cat From Outer Space.

With that said, I'm glad we have dirty laundry being aired out. The gaming community's ability to take criticism is one of the suckiest out there, and I'd say that is one of our main baselines for our eventual adulthood. No, the community has very much not grown up yet as a whole. Maybe we will someday.

Sure, any individual you pick is likely to not be a foul-mouthed abomination, but that's all the public thinks of -- the stereotype of foul language, harassment, misogyny, violence, and immaturity. We need to fix that.
 

Thoric485

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Aeonknight said:
Don't even bring PC elitism into this.

The mute button is just as effective as a ban option (which can be as easily abused as a mic option.)

And even if you ban them, it doesn't mean they just stopped existing. Your preferred platform is in this with the rest of "us".
What elitism? Dedicated servers aren't PC exclusive technology, they're just not the norm on consoles since the suits are convinced they'll stand in the way of accessibility and God forbid that happens.

But they are more effective, there is a big difference between some player you don't give a toss about muting you and having to buy a new CD Key to access the server you're on or any other server ever again, never mind losing all your progress.

Each of the 4 online-centric games I have on my PC right now has dedicated paid or voluntary staff moderating it and I know that if I went in and started spouting a bunch of sexist or racist shit, I'd pay for it with my account. As far as I understand, it's not at all like that on consoles.
 

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I said is is negative press and for good reason. The people that do troll or sexually harass via xbox live or PSN do not give one crap about this article. Those are broken people that lash out on others online because its safe and easy. To me all this article does is give fuel to people who attack video games.

As much as I don't want to see this (and I don't), the only way to stop this cultural defect is to either have real life consequences (such as real ID's) or try one of the suggestions Extra Credits said and have people who are muted a lot start auto-muted so people know exactly what type of player he/she is.
 

ElPatron

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I believe that actions cause reactions.

The "non-action" has achieved great things in the past. I think that simply not giving people a reason to harass will make people give up.

Ever heard of "not feeding the trolls"? Same thing, but with mics.

erttheking said:
I'm pretty sure Martin Luther King Jr. didn't change anything by just saying "well that's the way things are".
Because the anonymous aspect of your identity being a "username" bringing the worst from people has everything to do with what Martin Luther King fought.

Aeonknight said:
Answer to online racism, harassment, bigotry, etc.:

make people accountable for what they say. Of course that requires you give up your anonymity.

Pick your poison.
This I agree with.
 

Shpongled

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I genuinely don't think it's even an issue of sexism 90% of the time, i think it's just 13 year old kids going wild with anonymity. The amount of shit i used to get on xbox live from American kids when it became apparent than i'm english was shocking, and I've witnessed many a frenchie/german etc receive similar sorts of treatment, and obviously "racism" and "homophobia" is utterly rampant as well.

I don't think its that these 13 year old kids have a genuine hatred of females or black people or homosexuals or foreigners, it's just that all those things are good excuses to hurl abuse at someone, and if there's one thing young teenagers (boys specifically, girls are much more subtle about it, though no less guilty) enjoy doing, it's hurling abuse at someone. Not because they genuinely don't like that person or what they represent, but because they're still in that stage of their lives when they want to look like the big man in front of their friends.

Not to say that it isn't a problem because of that, because it is, something should be done (though i'm not sure what). I'm just worried about non-gamers reading the article and thinking that gaming does have a real sexism problem, when what our community really has is a problem with young teenagers being given the freedom of anonymity.

(Note, when i say 13 year olds, I'm not referring to the number of years they've been on this planet).