Poll: Online Pass: Have the Consumers become the whipping boy of the retailers?

[Epona]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

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Let's all admit it. Online passes don't really harm us. If I buy a game used (I never do) I can play it. However if there is some content that is there as DLC that was free if I had bought the game then I might get that once I am sure that I like the game. You can whine all you want about companies being greedy for wanting to make profit, but do you think GameStop sells used games because they want us to be happy? Do you buy used games to secure GameStop's happiness?
Everyone puts their own needs over the others. The food industry, the music industry, the movie industry. Name me one industry that doesn't seek for personal gain.

I think you're missing the point of the original post. The consumer has actually been put in a position where we have very little control over what's avaialble.
In every Gamestop I've ever been to (and I'll admit that I don't shop there anymore) you can only buy a new game from them if you have pre-ordered it. So they have put the consumer in the position of either paying some of the money upfront (for a game that nobody knows is any good yet) or buying a used copy.
So that is why I resent publishers putting the onus on the consumer; the consumer has pretty much been pushed in a corner and is getting screwed by Gamestop. Then is also screwed by the publisher for shopping at gamestop.
If the publisher is really losing that much money because of gamestop, they should just screw gamestop rather than their customers.

Hmm I don't really find it that much of a pain since I never buy second hand games. I would rather the money go to the devs than the retailer.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

The problem is that the money doesn't go to the devs. They get the same crappy pay and long hours no matter how many units get moved or how many online passes are sold. The only ones who make money off online passes are the dbags at the publisher who come up with shitty schemes like online pass.
If the money actually did go to the devs, I think there would be fewer people who have problems with it.

It's not the publisher nor the developer's fault that GameStop doesn't sell new games. You call it a shady tactic to use DLC to scavenge money from used sales. Isn't it just as shady for a retailer to only sell used products in order to maximize their profits?

Yes. I think that Gamestop is the most shady element in the situation. Which begs the question, why dont the publishers do something about Gamestop? Instead everything they have done to try and make the situation more profitable for them is screwing over their legitimate consumers.
I'm not defending gamestop (I think it's a huge shit-stain on the whole gaming industry), I'm defending my fellow gamers here. We're getting shit on for things that aren't our fault and I'm getting tired of it.

The industry shows favortism to Gamestop with things like pre-order bonuses, there must be a reason. It's because Gamestop sells more NEW games than most other retailers, possibly more than even Wal Mart.

 

[Monkeyman O'Brien]

Eh, I don't tolerate their bullshit. They try to DRM or online pass me for a product I have already fucking paid for and I have no problem 3rd party patching their bullshit.
After all, thats why I play PC games, for the mods.

 

[boag]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

Before you pass judgement, maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you have the Power Up card you get 10% off which brings the price down to $49.50. That's $10.50 less than the new copy. Plus it may be $10 less than that if you opt out of buying the online pass. That's a nice savings.

And if you bought it at wallmart a month afterwards you could get it for 20 bucks less than what Gamestop is charging, and it would be brand new and not used.

Only if you're lucky, that's not consistent, it would have to be a sale Wal Mart is having otherwise the MSRP would drop across the board, including new games sold by Gamestop. In that case Gamestop would obviously drop used prices to be lower than new prices.

HA! Gamestop doesnt ever drop prices, you can go check for yourself right now.

go look for what have you Skyrim or Mass Effect and compare prices.

 

[Naeras]

It's a case of the publishers having a shitty business model, combined with the retailers being exploitative and not the slightest interested in any sort of mutual benefit between them and the industry.

So who are then getting punished for this? The customers. Because that's apparently the easiest way to do it.

 

[Epona]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

Before you pass judgement, maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you have the Power Up card you get 10% off which brings the price down to $49.50. That's $10.50 less than the new copy. Plus it may be $10 less than that if you opt out of buying the online pass. That's a nice savings.

And if you bought it at wallmart a month afterwards you could get it for 20 bucks less than what Gamestop is charging, and it would be brand new and not used.

Only if you're lucky, that's not consistent, it would have to be a sale Wal Mart is having otherwise the MSRP would drop across the board, including new games sold by Gamestop. In that case Gamestop would obviously drop used prices to be lower than new prices.

HA! Gamestop doesnt ever drop prices, you can go check for yourself right now.

go look for what have you Skyrim or Mass Effect and compare prices.

Ok, you're just making this up as you go aren't you? Of course Gamestop drops prices. Skyrim is still $55 because it's still $60 new, even at Wal Mart. Mass Effect 1 is $20 used, it's out of print so you can't buy it new.

Seriously, where are you digging this shit up?

 

[boag]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

Before you pass judgement, maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you have the Power Up card you get 10% off which brings the price down to $49.50. That's $10.50 less than the new copy. Plus it may be $10 less than that if you opt out of buying the online pass. That's a nice savings.

And if you bought it at wallmart a month afterwards you could get it for 20 bucks less than what Gamestop is charging, and it would be brand new and not used.

Only if you're lucky, that's not consistent, it would have to be a sale Wal Mart is having otherwise the MSRP would drop across the board, including new games sold by Gamestop. In that case Gamestop would obviously drop used prices to be lower than new prices.

HA! Gamestop doesnt ever drop prices, you can go check for yourself right now.

go look for what have you Skyrim or Mass Effect and compare prices.

Ok, you're just making this up as you go aren't you? Of course Gamestop drops prices. Skyrim is still $55 because it's still $60 new, even at Wal Mart. Mass Effect 1 is $20 used, it's out of print so you can't buy it new.

Seriously, where are you digging this shit up?

ok then you dont like those examples, you give me one, Ill go look it up and post the price on Gamestop and the Price on other places, no jokes no tricks, pick any title you want.

BTW Skyrim is 46 bucks over at amazon right now

http://www.amazon.com/Elder-Scrolls-V-Skyrim-Pc/dp/B004HYIAPM

 

[Epona]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

Before you pass judgement, maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you have the Power Up card you get 10% off which brings the price down to $49.50. That's $10.50 less than the new copy. Plus it may be $10 less than that if you opt out of buying the online pass. That's a nice savings.

And if you bought it at wallmart a month afterwards you could get it for 20 bucks less than what Gamestop is charging, and it would be brand new and not used.

Only if you're lucky, that's not consistent, it would have to be a sale Wal Mart is having otherwise the MSRP would drop across the board, including new games sold by Gamestop. In that case Gamestop would obviously drop used prices to be lower than new prices.

HA! Gamestop doesnt ever drop prices, you can go check for yourself right now.

go look for what have you Skyrim or Mass Effect and compare prices.

Ok, you're just making this up as you go aren't you? Of course Gamestop drops prices. Skyrim is still $55 because it's still $60 new, even at Wal Mart. Mass Effect 1 is $20 used, it's out of print so you can't buy it new.

Seriously, where are you digging this shit up?

ok then you dont like those examples, you give me one, Ill go look it up and post the price on Gamestop and the Price on other places, no jokes no tricks, pick any title you want.

You want me to go find examples to make your point? No.

 

[Epona]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

Before you pass judgement, maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you have the Power Up card you get 10% off which brings the price down to $49.50. That's $10.50 less than the new copy. Plus it may be $10 less than that if you opt out of buying the online pass. That's a nice savings.

And if you bought it at wallmart a month afterwards you could get it for 20 bucks less than what Gamestop is charging, and it would be brand new and not used.

Only if you're lucky, that's not consistent, it would have to be a sale Wal Mart is having otherwise the MSRP would drop across the board, including new games sold by Gamestop. In that case Gamestop would obviously drop used prices to be lower than new prices.

HA! Gamestop doesnt ever drop prices, you can go check for yourself right now.

go look for what have you Skyrim or Mass Effect and compare prices.

Ok, you're just making this up as you go aren't you? Of course Gamestop drops prices. Skyrim is still $55 because it's still $60 new, even at Wal Mart. Mass Effect 1 is $20 used, it's out of print so you can't buy it new.

Seriously, where are you digging this shit up?

ok then you dont like those examples, you give me one, Ill go look it up and post the price on Gamestop and the Price on other places, no jokes no tricks, pick any title you want.

BTW Skyrim is 46 bucks over at amazon right now

http://www.amazon.com/Elder-Scrolls-V-Skyrim-Pc/dp/B004HYIAPM

Yes, let's compare brick and mortar stores with online stores. Wal Mart online is sometimes cheaper than getting the item in the store.

Only the PC version is $46, there are no used PC games. The console versions are $57.98 which makes them more expensive after you pay shipping.

You are being very dishonest in your arguments.

 

[boag]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

Before you pass judgement, maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you have the Power Up card you get 10% off which brings the price down to $49.50. That's $10.50 less than the new copy. Plus it may be $10 less than that if you opt out of buying the online pass. That's a nice savings.

And if you bought it at wallmart a month afterwards you could get it for 20 bucks less than what Gamestop is charging, and it would be brand new and not used.

Only if you're lucky, that's not consistent, it would have to be a sale Wal Mart is having otherwise the MSRP would drop across the board, including new games sold by Gamestop. In that case Gamestop would obviously drop used prices to be lower than new prices.

HA! Gamestop doesnt ever drop prices, you can go check for yourself right now.

go look for what have you Skyrim or Mass Effect and compare prices.

Ok, you're just making this up as you go aren't you? Of course Gamestop drops prices. Skyrim is still $55 because it's still $60 new, even at Wal Mart. Mass Effect 1 is $20 used, it's out of print so you can't buy it new.

Seriously, where are you digging this shit up?

ok then you dont like those examples, you give me one, Ill go look it up and post the price on Gamestop and the Price on other places, no jokes no tricks, pick any title you want.

You want me to go find examples to make your point? No.

Dude, I give you examples and you dismiss them because they make my point, I ask you to pick examples that you think would make your point so I can disprove it and you reply with that?

Seems to me you already agree with me that Gamestop doesnt lower its prices.

 

[GonzoGamer]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

&

Let's all admit it. Online passes don't really harm us. If I buy a game used (I never do) I can play it. However if there is some content that is there as DLC that was free if I had bought the game then I might get that once I am sure that I like the game. You can whine all you want about companies being greedy for wanting to make profit, but do you think GameStop sells used games because they want us to be happy? Do you buy used games to secure GameStop's happiness?
Everyone puts their own needs over the others. The food industry, the music industry, the movie industry. Name me one industry that doesn't seek for personal gain.

I think you're missing the point of the original post. The consumer has actually been put in a position where we have very little control over what's avaialble.
In every Gamestop I've ever been to (and I'll admit that I don't shop there anymore) you can only buy a new game from them if you have pre-ordered it. So they have put the consumer in the position of either paying some of the money upfront (for a game that nobody knows is any good yet) or buying a used copy.
So that is why I resent publishers putting the onus on the consumer; the consumer has pretty much been pushed in a corner and is getting screwed by Gamestop. Then is also screwed by the publisher for shopping at gamestop.
If the publisher is really losing that much money because of gamestop, they should just screw gamestop rather than their customers.

Hmm I don't really find it that much of a pain since I never buy second hand games. I would rather the money go to the devs than the retailer.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

The problem is that the money doesn't go to the devs. They get the same crappy pay and long hours no matter how many units get moved or how many online passes are sold. The only ones who make money off online passes are the dbags at the publisher who come up with shitty schemes like online pass.
If the money actually did go to the devs, I think there would be fewer people who have problems with it.

It's not the publisher nor the developer's fault that GameStop doesn't sell new games. You call it a shady tactic to use DLC to scavenge money from used sales. Isn't it just as shady for a retailer to only sell used products in order to maximize their profits?

Yes. I think that Gamestop is the most shady element in the situation. Which begs the question, why dont the publishers do something about Gamestop? Instead everything they have done to try and make the situation more profitable for them is screwing over their legitimate consumers.
I'm not defending gamestop (I think it's a huge shit-stain on the whole gaming industry), I'm defending my fellow gamers here. We're getting shit on for things that aren't our fault and I'm getting tired of it.

The industry shows favortism to Gamestop with things like pre-order bonuses, there must be a reason. It's because Gamestop sells more NEW games than most other retailers, possibly more than even Wal Mart.

If that's the case, fine. But then the question is why are the publishers bitching about used game sales if they're really selling that many new copies?
It seems to me that rather than trying to fix the cause of the problem, the publishers are just treating the symptoms.

The real reason I think is because gamers are much easier pushovers than Gamestop. The bean counters know that of the gamers left on console gaming, more of them are willing to put up with these schemes than those who aren't.

 

[Avalanche91]

What irks me is that the publishers keep saying they are losing incredible numbers because of used sales, but I have yet to see a independant research to back their claims and numbers up.

Neither the gameretailers nor the publishers seem eager for such a research cause they are afraid to lose the ground for their side of the argument. ergo its a constant yay/nay contest between both parties.

And yes, the consumers get stuck in the middle

-might not be entirely accurate as my country lacks wallmarts, gamestops, etc-

 

[Epona]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

Before you pass judgement, maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you have the Power Up card you get 10% off which brings the price down to $49.50. That's $10.50 less than the new copy. Plus it may be $10 less than that if you opt out of buying the online pass. That's a nice savings.

And if you bought it at wallmart a month afterwards you could get it for 20 bucks less than what Gamestop is charging, and it would be brand new and not used.

Only if you're lucky, that's not consistent, it would have to be a sale Wal Mart is having otherwise the MSRP would drop across the board, including new games sold by Gamestop. In that case Gamestop would obviously drop used prices to be lower than new prices.

HA! Gamestop doesnt ever drop prices, you can go check for yourself right now.

go look for what have you Skyrim or Mass Effect and compare prices.

Ok, you're just making this up as you go aren't you? Of course Gamestop drops prices. Skyrim is still $55 because it's still $60 new, even at Wal Mart. Mass Effect 1 is $20 used, it's out of print so you can't buy it new.

Seriously, where are you digging this shit up?

ok then you dont like those examples, you give me one, Ill go look it up and post the price on Gamestop and the Price on other places, no jokes no tricks, pick any title you want.

You want me to go find examples to make your point? No.

Dude, I give you examples and you dismiss them because they make my point, I ask you to pick examples that you think would make your point so I can disprove it and you reply with that?

Seems to me you already agree with me that Gamestop doesnt lower its prices.

You're full of it. You tell me to check Skyrim and Mass Effect as an example that Gamestop never lowers their prices. I did, you were wrong, Mass Effect is $20 used, not $50 or $60 which is what the price would be IF Gamestop never dropped their prices. Skyrim hasn't seen a price drop yet anywhere except online stores which are not comparable. You started off telling me that Wal Mart has a new release for $20 less a month after release, you never proved that, then you jump to Amazon because you realized you were wrong about Wal Mart.

Almost everything is cheaper on Amazon but that's because online stores have a lower overhead. Everyone knows that and so do you. You are being dishonest in your arguments. Compare brick and mortar stores to each other, not to online stores.

 

[Epona]

If that's the case, fine. But then the question is why are the publishers bitching about used game sales if they're really selling that many new copies?

Because they're greedy and because gamers let them. Think about it, there have always been used sales, why didn't they make sucha big issue before this generation? It's because they wouldn't have had the support of gamers. Alot of bad shit this generation, alot of good shit too but this is squarely on the bad side.

It seems to me that rather than trying to fix the cause of the problem, the publishers are just treating the symptoms.

Used sales aren't a problem, they are part of the economy.

The real reason I think is because gamers are much easier pushovers than Gamestop. The bean counters know that of the gamers left on console gaming, more of them are willing to put up with these schemes than those who aren't.

Right, gamers allow the publishers to whine about used games and impose penalties.

 

[Amaror]

I will never understand why the publishers support gamestop so much.
They are the ones who sell all those used games, the publishers complain about.
And still nearly every game has more content when you order it at gamestop, it seems so stupid.

 

[Epona]

I will never understand why the publishers support gamestop so much.
They are the ones who sell all those used games, the publishers complain about.
And still nearly every game has more content when you order it at gamestop, it seems so stupid.

It's a game really. The publishers really don't hate Gamestop. They just see an opportunity to make more money because so many gamers believe that used games are bad. Publishers are playing both sides here and Gamestop knows it, gamers don't though. Atleast that's how it appears to me.

 

[Yopaz]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

&

Let's all admit it. Online passes don't really harm us. If I buy a game used (I never do) I can play it. However if there is some content that is there as DLC that was free if I had bought the game then I might get that once I am sure that I like the game. You can whine all you want about companies being greedy for wanting to make profit, but do you think GameStop sells used games because they want us to be happy? Do you buy used games to secure GameStop's happiness?
Everyone puts their own needs over the others. The food industry, the music industry, the movie industry. Name me one industry that doesn't seek for personal gain.

I think you're missing the point of the original post. The consumer has actually been put in a position where we have very little control over what's avaialble.
In every Gamestop I've ever been to (and I'll admit that I don't shop there anymore) you can only buy a new game from them if you have pre-ordered it. So they have put the consumer in the position of either paying some of the money upfront (for a game that nobody knows is any good yet) or buying a used copy.
So that is why I resent publishers putting the onus on the consumer; the consumer has pretty much been pushed in a corner and is getting screwed by Gamestop. Then is also screwed by the publisher for shopping at gamestop.
If the publisher is really losing that much money because of gamestop, they should just screw gamestop rather than their customers.

Hmm I don't really find it that much of a pain since I never buy second hand games. I would rather the money go to the devs than the retailer.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

The problem is that the money doesn't go to the devs. They get the same crappy pay and long hours no matter how many units get moved or how many online passes are sold. The only ones who make money off online passes are the dbags at the publisher who come up with shitty schemes like online pass.
If the money actually did go to the devs, I think there would be fewer people who have problems with it.

It's not the publisher nor the developer's fault that GameStop doesn't sell new games. You call it a shady tactic to use DLC to scavenge money from used sales. Isn't it just as shady for a retailer to only sell used products in order to maximize their profits?

Yes. I think that Gamestop is the most shady element in the situation. Which begs the question, why dont the publishers do something about Gamestop? Instead everything they have done to try and make the situation more profitable for them is screwing over their legitimate consumers.
I'm not defending gamestop (I think it's a huge shit-stain on the whole gaming industry), I'm defending my fellow gamers here. We're getting shit on for things that aren't our fault and I'm getting tired of it.

The publisher can't do anything about GameStop. There is no law against what they're doing no matter how badly it screw both the publisher or the consumer over. GameStop got a shady tactic to make profit, but it wouldn't work if it wasn't for the consumer letting it happen. We buy from GameStop regardless of how they have put us in a bad situation, we let them do their thing and then in turn we blame the publisher because GameStop doesn't give us the option to buy new.

 

[Epona]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

&

Let's all admit it. Online passes don't really harm us. If I buy a game used (I never do) I can play it. However if there is some content that is there as DLC that was free if I had bought the game then I might get that once I am sure that I like the game. You can whine all you want about companies being greedy for wanting to make profit, but do you think GameStop sells used games because they want us to be happy? Do you buy used games to secure GameStop's happiness?
Everyone puts their own needs over the others. The food industry, the music industry, the movie industry. Name me one industry that doesn't seek for personal gain.

I think you're missing the point of the original post. The consumer has actually been put in a position where we have very little control over what's avaialble.
In every Gamestop I've ever been to (and I'll admit that I don't shop there anymore) you can only buy a new game from them if you have pre-ordered it. So they have put the consumer in the position of either paying some of the money upfront (for a game that nobody knows is any good yet) or buying a used copy.
So that is why I resent publishers putting the onus on the consumer; the consumer has pretty much been pushed in a corner and is getting screwed by Gamestop. Then is also screwed by the publisher for shopping at gamestop.
If the publisher is really losing that much money because of gamestop, they should just screw gamestop rather than their customers.

Hmm I don't really find it that much of a pain since I never buy second hand games. I would rather the money go to the devs than the retailer.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

The problem is that the money doesn't go to the devs. They get the same crappy pay and long hours no matter how many units get moved or how many online passes are sold. The only ones who make money off online passes are the dbags at the publisher who come up with shitty schemes like online pass.
If the money actually did go to the devs, I think there would be fewer people who have problems with it.

It's not the publisher nor the developer's fault that GameStop doesn't sell new games. You call it a shady tactic to use DLC to scavenge money from used sales. Isn't it just as shady for a retailer to only sell used products in order to maximize their profits?

Yes. I think that Gamestop is the most shady element in the situation. Which begs the question, why dont the publishers do something about Gamestop? Instead everything they have done to try and make the situation more profitable for them is screwing over their legitimate consumers.
I'm not defending gamestop (I think it's a huge shit-stain on the whole gaming industry), I'm defending my fellow gamers here. We're getting shit on for things that aren't our fault and I'm getting tired of it.

The publisher can't do anything about GameStop. There is no law against what they're doing no matter how badly it screw both the publisher or the consumer over. GameStop got a shady tactic to make profit, but it wouldn't work if it wasn't for the consumer letting it happen. We buy from GameStop regardless of how they have put us in a bad situation, we let them do their thing and then in turn we blame the publisher because GameStop doesn't give us the option to buy new.

Gamestop sells new games. What's stopping you from buying new elsewhere? You make it sound like Gamestop is coming to your house, dragging you to their store and then forcing you to buy a used game instead of a new one (which they do sell).

There is no law against what Gamestop is doing because consumers have the right to resell their property.

 

[Yopaz]

I will never understand why the publishers support gamestop so much.
They are the ones who sell all those used games, the publishers complain about.
And still nearly every game has more content when you order it at gamestop, it seems so stupid.

Publishers don' support GameStop by doing this. The extra content you get from buying from GameStop is usually pre-order bonus or at least bonus for buying the game new. In the case of a pre-order it means that we are buying the game new and there's money going to the publisher because we are being given a reason to get a new copy rather than a used copy. Other stores got similar deals, but GameStop is the one that get most deals on a global scale. There is no legal way to counter used sales since it's a part of the market law, so there's no way to prevent GameStop from doing what they do. Which is why we get day 1 DLC or we get exclusive GameStop deals.

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

&

Let's all admit it. Online passes don't really harm us. If I buy a game used (I never do) I can play it. However if there is some content that is there as DLC that was free if I had bought the game then I might get that once I am sure that I like the game. You can whine all you want about companies being greedy for wanting to make profit, but do you think GameStop sells used games because they want us to be happy? Do you buy used games to secure GameStop's happiness?
Everyone puts their own needs over the others. The food industry, the music industry, the movie industry. Name me one industry that doesn't seek for personal gain.

I think you're missing the point of the original post. The consumer has actually been put in a position where we have very little control over what's avaialble.
In every Gamestop I've ever been to (and I'll admit that I don't shop there anymore) you can only buy a new game from them if you have pre-ordered it. So they have put the consumer in the position of either paying some of the money upfront (for a game that nobody knows is any good yet) or buying a used copy.
So that is why I resent publishers putting the onus on the consumer; the consumer has pretty much been pushed in a corner and is getting screwed by Gamestop. Then is also screwed by the publisher for shopping at gamestop.
If the publisher is really losing that much money because of gamestop, they should just screw gamestop rather than their customers.

Hmm I don't really find it that much of a pain since I never buy second hand games. I would rather the money go to the devs than the retailer.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

The problem is that the money doesn't go to the devs. They get the same crappy pay and long hours no matter how many units get moved or how many online passes are sold. The only ones who make money off online passes are the dbags at the publisher who come up with shitty schemes like online pass.
If the money actually did go to the devs, I think there would be fewer people who have problems with it.

It's not the publisher nor the developer's fault that GameStop doesn't sell new games. You call it a shady tactic to use DLC to scavenge money from used sales. Isn't it just as shady for a retailer to only sell used products in order to maximize their profits?

Yes. I think that Gamestop is the most shady element in the situation. Which begs the question, why dont the publishers do something about Gamestop? Instead everything they have done to try and make the situation more profitable for them is screwing over their legitimate consumers.
I'm not defending gamestop (I think it's a huge shit-stain on the whole gaming industry), I'm defending my fellow gamers here. We're getting shit on for things that aren't our fault and I'm getting tired of it.

The publisher can't do anything about GameStop. There is no law against what they're doing no matter how badly it screw both the publisher or the consumer over. GameStop got a shady tactic to make profit, but it wouldn't work if it wasn't for the consumer letting it happen. We buy from GameStop regardless of how they have put us in a bad situation, we let them do their thing and then in turn we blame the publisher because GameStop doesn't give us the option to buy new.

Gamestop sells new games. What's stopping you from buying new elsewhere? You make it sound like Gamestop is coming to your house, dragging you to their store and then forcing you to buy a used game instead of a new one (which they do sell).

There is no law against what Gamestop is doing because consumers have the right to resell their property.

Thank you for ignoring what I said and jump right into a discussion with points I didn't raise. The guy I am discussing this with said that the GameStop where he lives does sell new games. This is something I never said they did, but I discussed that if they only sell used games, then that is a shady tactic. I know you from all earlier discussions when it comes to used games that you protest anything the publisher does to earn money, but would you at least actually read my post before you explain to me why I am wrong?

 

[GonzoGamer]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

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Let's all admit it. Online passes don't really harm us. If I buy a game used (I never do) I can play it. However if there is some content that is there as DLC that was free if I had bought the game then I might get that once I am sure that I like the game. You can whine all you want about companies being greedy for wanting to make profit, but do you think GameStop sells used games because they want us to be happy? Do you buy used games to secure GameStop's happiness?
Everyone puts their own needs over the others. The food industry, the music industry, the movie industry. Name me one industry that doesn't seek for personal gain.

I think you're missing the point of the original post. The consumer has actually been put in a position where we have very little control over what's avaialble.
In every Gamestop I've ever been to (and I'll admit that I don't shop there anymore) you can only buy a new game from them if you have pre-ordered it. So they have put the consumer in the position of either paying some of the money upfront (for a game that nobody knows is any good yet) or buying a used copy.
So that is why I resent publishers putting the onus on the consumer; the consumer has pretty much been pushed in a corner and is getting screwed by Gamestop. Then is also screwed by the publisher for shopping at gamestop.
If the publisher is really losing that much money because of gamestop, they should just screw gamestop rather than their customers.

Hmm I don't really find it that much of a pain since I never buy second hand games. I would rather the money go to the devs than the retailer.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

The problem is that the money doesn't go to the devs. They get the same crappy pay and long hours no matter how many units get moved or how many online passes are sold. The only ones who make money off online passes are the dbags at the publisher who come up with shitty schemes like online pass.
If the money actually did go to the devs, I think there would be fewer people who have problems with it.

It's not the publisher nor the developer's fault that GameStop doesn't sell new games. You call it a shady tactic to use DLC to scavenge money from used sales. Isn't it just as shady for a retailer to only sell used products in order to maximize their profits?

Yes. I think that Gamestop is the most shady element in the situation. Which begs the question, why dont the publishers do something about Gamestop? Instead everything they have done to try and make the situation more profitable for them is screwing over their legitimate consumers.
I'm not defending gamestop (I think it's a huge shit-stain on the whole gaming industry), I'm defending my fellow gamers here. We're getting shit on for things that aren't our fault and I'm getting tired of it.

The publisher can't do anything about GameStop. There is no law against what they're doing no matter how badly it screw both the publisher or the consumer over. GameStop got a shady tactic to make profit, but it wouldn't work if it wasn't for the consumer letting it happen. We buy from GameStop regardless of how they have put us in a bad situation, we let them do their thing and then in turn we blame the publisher because GameStop doesn't give us the option to buy new.

Of course they can do something about gamestop. They can't sue them or anything but the publishers can really cut into gamestop's market share if they're clever about it and especially if they band together (which they seem to have already done on the online pass thing).
You mean to say that you're not insulted by the fact that they have all banded together against gamers rather than banding together against gamestop which is the element causing the problem for them AND the consumers?

 

[Epona]

I will never understand why the publishers support gamestop so much.
They are the ones who sell all those used games, the publishers complain about.
And still nearly every game has more content when you order it at gamestop, it seems so stupid.

Publishers don' support GameStop by doing this. The extra content you get from buying from GameStop is usually pre-order bonus or at least bonus for buying the game new. In the case of a pre-order it means that we are buying the game new and there's money going to the publisher because we are being given a reason to get a new copy rather than a used copy. Other stores got similar deals, but GameStop is the one that get most deals on a global scale. There is no legal way to counter used sales since it's a part of the market law, so there's no way to prevent GameStop from doing what they do. Which is why we get day 1 DLC or we get exclusive GameStop deals.

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

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Let's all admit it. Online passes don't really harm us. If I buy a game used (I never do) I can play it. However if there is some content that is there as DLC that was free if I had bought the game then I might get that once I am sure that I like the game. You can whine all you want about companies being greedy for wanting to make profit, but do you think GameStop sells used games because they want us to be happy? Do you buy used games to secure GameStop's happiness?
Everyone puts their own needs over the others. The food industry, the music industry, the movie industry. Name me one industry that doesn't seek for personal gain.

I think you're missing the point of the original post. The consumer has actually been put in a position where we have very little control over what's avaialble.
In every Gamestop I've ever been to (and I'll admit that I don't shop there anymore) you can only buy a new game from them if you have pre-ordered it. So they have put the consumer in the position of either paying some of the money upfront (for a game that nobody knows is any good yet) or buying a used copy.
So that is why I resent publishers putting the onus on the consumer; the consumer has pretty much been pushed in a corner and is getting screwed by Gamestop. Then is also screwed by the publisher for shopping at gamestop.
If the publisher is really losing that much money because of gamestop, they should just screw gamestop rather than their customers.

Hmm I don't really find it that much of a pain since I never buy second hand games. I would rather the money go to the devs than the retailer.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

The problem is that the money doesn't go to the devs. They get the same crappy pay and long hours no matter how many units get moved or how many online passes are sold. The only ones who make money off online passes are the dbags at the publisher who come up with shitty schemes like online pass.
If the money actually did go to the devs, I think there would be fewer people who have problems with it.

It's not the publisher nor the developer's fault that GameStop doesn't sell new games. You call it a shady tactic to use DLC to scavenge money from used sales. Isn't it just as shady for a retailer to only sell used products in order to maximize their profits?

Yes. I think that Gamestop is the most shady element in the situation. Which begs the question, why dont the publishers do something about Gamestop? Instead everything they have done to try and make the situation more profitable for them is screwing over their legitimate consumers.
I'm not defending gamestop (I think it's a huge shit-stain on the whole gaming industry), I'm defending my fellow gamers here. We're getting shit on for things that aren't our fault and I'm getting tired of it.

The publisher can't do anything about GameStop. There is no law against what they're doing no matter how badly it screw both the publisher or the consumer over. GameStop got a shady tactic to make profit, but it wouldn't work if it wasn't for the consumer letting it happen. We buy from GameStop regardless of how they have put us in a bad situation, we let them do their thing and then in turn we blame the publisher because GameStop doesn't give us the option to buy new.

Gamestop sells new games. What's stopping you from buying new elsewhere? You make it sound like Gamestop is coming to your house, dragging you to their store and then forcing you to buy a used game instead of a new one (which they do sell).

There is no law against what Gamestop is doing because consumers have the right to resell their property.

Thank you for ignoring what I said and jump right into a discussion with points I didn't raise. The guy I am discussing this with said that the GameStop where he lives does sell new games. This is something I never said they did, but I discussed that if they only sell used games, then that is a shady tactic. I know you from all earlier discussions when it comes to used games that you protest anything the publisher does to earn money, but would you at least actually read my post before you explain to me why I am wrong?

You said:

We buy from GameStop regardless of how they have put us in a bad situation, we let them do their thing and then in turn we blame the publisher because GameStop doesn't give us the option to buy new.

Were you not making a factual statement here? Gamestop DOES give you the option to buy new if they have it in stock and they have more new games in stock than most retail stores like Wal Mart.

Yeah, I am the guy who doesn't appreciate publishers trying to scheme money out of used products because they aren't entitled to it. Shit like online passes hurts the new buyer the most because it devalues their product and they get less for it in resell. How can you defend the publishers for that?