Poll: Online Pass: Have the Consumers become the whipping boy of the retailers?

[Yopaz]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

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Let's all admit it. Online passes don't really harm us. If I buy a game used (I never do) I can play it. However if there is some content that is there as DLC that was free if I had bought the game then I might get that once I am sure that I like the game. You can whine all you want about companies being greedy for wanting to make profit, but do you think GameStop sells used games because they want us to be happy? Do you buy used games to secure GameStop's happiness?
Everyone puts their own needs over the others. The food industry, the music industry, the movie industry. Name me one industry that doesn't seek for personal gain.

I think you're missing the point of the original post. The consumer has actually been put in a position where we have very little control over what's avaialble.
In every Gamestop I've ever been to (and I'll admit that I don't shop there anymore) you can only buy a new game from them if you have pre-ordered it. So they have put the consumer in the position of either paying some of the money upfront (for a game that nobody knows is any good yet) or buying a used copy.
So that is why I resent publishers putting the onus on the consumer; the consumer has pretty much been pushed in a corner and is getting screwed by Gamestop. Then is also screwed by the publisher for shopping at gamestop.
If the publisher is really losing that much money because of gamestop, they should just screw gamestop rather than their customers.

Hmm I don't really find it that much of a pain since I never buy second hand games. I would rather the money go to the devs than the retailer.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

The problem is that the money doesn't go to the devs. They get the same crappy pay and long hours no matter how many units get moved or how many online passes are sold. The only ones who make money off online passes are the dbags at the publisher who come up with shitty schemes like online pass.
If the money actually did go to the devs, I think there would be fewer people who have problems with it.

It's not the publisher nor the developer's fault that GameStop doesn't sell new games. You call it a shady tactic to use DLC to scavenge money from used sales. Isn't it just as shady for a retailer to only sell used products in order to maximize their profits?

Yes. I think that Gamestop is the most shady element in the situation. Which begs the question, why dont the publishers do something about Gamestop? Instead everything they have done to try and make the situation more profitable for them is screwing over their legitimate consumers.
I'm not defending gamestop (I think it's a huge shit-stain on the whole gaming industry), I'm defending my fellow gamers here. We're getting shit on for things that aren't our fault and I'm getting tired of it.

The publisher can't do anything about GameStop. There is no law against what they're doing no matter how badly it screw both the publisher or the consumer over. GameStop got a shady tactic to make profit, but it wouldn't work if it wasn't for the consumer letting it happen. We buy from GameStop regardless of how they have put us in a bad situation, we let them do their thing and then in turn we blame the publisher because GameStop doesn't give us the option to buy new.

Of course they can do something about gamestop. They can't sue them or anything but the publishers can really cut into gamestop's market share if they're clever about it and especially if they band together (which they seem to have already done on the online pass thing).
You mean to say that you're not insulted by the fact that they have all banded together against gamers rather than banding together against gamestop which is the element causing the problem for them AND the consumers?

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Really, tell me what the publishers can do. Do you seriously think you have the answer that the legal teams of all publishers are looking for? The truth is that everything the publisher can do that will stop GameStop is in fact illegal. Are you suggesting that all publishers should band together and break the laws of the market?
The truth of it is that the same laws that make GameStop able to pull in profits is the same laws that make the publishers pull in profits. That we end up in the middle of it sucks, but no-one forces us to buy used.

We buy from GameStop regardless of how they have put us in a bad situation, we let them do their thing and then in turn we blame the publisher because GameStop doesn't give us the option to buy new.

Were you not making a factual statement here? Gamestop DOES give you the option to buy new if they have it in stock and they have more new games in stock than most retail stores like Wal Mart.

Yeah, I am the guy who doesn't appreciate publishers trying to scheme money out of used products because they aren't entitled to it. Shit like online passes hurts the new buyer the most because it devalues their product and they get less for it in resell. How can you defend the publishers for that?

Yeah, I did say that. In response to someone saying that GameStop only sold us pre-orders new and all the games in stock were used. Is there a point you try to make here despite prove it all over again that you did not read what I was responding to when I wrote that? Seriously, I repeat, read what you are responding to before you tell me I'm wrong. I am not saying, nor have I ever said that selling used games is illegal yet you were kind enough to inform me of that. Well thanks for informing me of something I had just typed out. Now can you in the future at least try to read my posts before you tell me I'm wrong?

 

[Flailing Escapist]

I roll my eyes every time I see ANOTHER code I need to enter on xbl before I can play the game I just paid you for. It's starting to get ridiculous. I believe I've spent upwards of 45 minutes after opening my brand new game before I can actually play it. Imagine: I could've spent that time playing your game instead of this. The same goes to developers who think we HAVE to watch 2 minutes of unskippable opening credits every time we boot their fucking game up. It shows they think they are more important that the player, the consumer - us... or maybe I'm over thinking it.

It doesn't make me throw down any game in disgust but I'll remember it. No brownie points for you =(

 

[ElPatron]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

Yes, but there's aren't gamers anywhere counting their pennies when it comes to entertainment, and those 5 bucks plus what they get for trading in games aren't a big help at all!

I mean, gaming has a lot of entertainment/cost compared to movie tickets or even a book (sometimes the prices are a complete joke) and it sure beats people throwing molotovs and setting cars on fire.


EDIT: Not like I work for GameStop or anything like that.

It's just that I have seen really good deals on used games because private sales allow the seller to get more money from a used game.

 

[Epona]

I roll my eyes every time I see ANOTHER code I need to enter on xbl before I can play the game I just paid you for. It's starting to get ridiculous. I believe I've spent upwards of 45 minutes after opening my brand new game before I can actually play it. Imagine: I could've spent that time playing your game instead of this. The same goes to developers who think we HAVE to watch 2 minutes of unskippable opening credits every time we boot their fucking game up. It shows they think they are more important that the player, the consumer - us... or maybe I'm over thinking it.

It doesn't make me throw down any game in disgust but I'll remember it. No brownie points for you =(

Yep, anyone defending online passes needs to realize that it's really new buyers who are taking the biggest hit here. You went from buying a game, popping it in and playing it to buying a game, putting it in and then having to type in a code before playing it. That code also devalues the game if you wish to resell it. In the future it will tie the game to your account and you won't be able to resell it.

 

[Flailing Escapist]

In the future it will tie the game to your account and you won't be able to resell it.

Now that would be 1 step too far. I can put up with DRM if I have to but not being able to get some of my money back from your bad game, not being able to rent games (probably), share games or buy games used is way too much. I heard MS was considering doing that with the next console. I'll buy a PS3 instead.

 

[Amaror]

I will never understand why the publishers support gamestop so much.
They are the ones who sell all those used games, the publishers complain about.
And still nearly every game has more content when you order it at gamestop, it seems so stupid.

Publishers don' support GameStop by doing this. The extra content you get from buying from GameStop is usually pre-order bonus or at least bonus for buying the game new. In the case of a pre-order it means that we are buying the game new and there's money going to the publisher because we are being given a reason to get a new copy rather than a used copy. Other stores got similar deals, but GameStop is the one that get most deals on a global scale. There is no legal way to counter used sales since it's a part of the market law, so there's no way to prevent GameStop from doing what they do. Which is why we get day 1 DLC or we get exclusive GameStop deals.

Well, they convince people to buy their new games from gamestop.
Yeah they make money with it, but since it's gamestop who sells the most used games they should try and weaken gamestop. (When gamestop has less money, means they can affort less shops, means they can sell less used games).
They could make the same money they make with their new games sales at gamestop by just making amazon or another another shop the one with the most preorder bonuses and give gamestop no preorder bonuses at all.
This way they would still get the money and would weaken gamestop and the used games market.
So the way they are doing it now, by encouraging people to buy their used and new games at gamestop (gamestop gets the most and best preorder bonuses), they ARE supporting gamestop and shooting themselves in the food.

 

[Epona]

In the future it will tie the game to your account and you won't be able to resell it.

Now that would be 1 step too far. I can put up with DRM if I have to but not being able to get some of my money back from your bad game, not being able to rent games (probably), share games or buy games used is way too much. I heard MS was considering doing that with the next console. I'll buy a PS3 instead.

That's exactly what's coming. Online Passes = PC activation codes. PC activation codes = no used games and no rentals. It won't be just Microsoft either.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

For me, it depends whether it's content that's been cut from the game (eg, multiplayer) or new content (eg, bonus missions).
I have no problems at all with the latter, as we clearly benefit from having this extra stuff, it costs more to produce, and you don't lose anything by not having it. Whereas to complete a game entirely, then mark a section as "Only for people who pay us directly" is only detrimental.
Of course, there are grey areas - the Catwoman sections in Arkham City, for example. Bonus content, or cut game sections?

1. Catwoman sections were small, insignificant portions of the game and didn't break up the story at all without them.
2. Gamestop actually gives you the code with a used copy.

Argument invalid.

More OT: Online passes don't bother me, Day 1 DLC doesn't bother me. I buy games to play them, DLC if I like the game. I don't feel entitled to everything if I didn't buy the game new. Plus I've yet to see Online passes or DLC that are game breaking if you don't have them.

 

[Epona]

For me, it depends whether it's content that's been cut from the game (eg, multiplayer) or new content (eg, bonus missions).
I have no problems at all with the latter, as we clearly benefit from having this extra stuff, it costs more to produce, and you don't lose anything by not having it. Whereas to complete a game entirely, then mark a section as "Only for people who pay us directly" is only detrimental.
Of course, there are grey areas - the Catwoman sections in Arkham City, for example. Bonus content, or cut game sections?

Plus I've yet to see Online passes or DLC that are game breaking if you don't have them.

At one time we had yet to see Day One DLC. At that time people swore they would never defend that if it happened.

Well...here we are.

 

[wintercoat]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

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Let's all admit it. Online passes don't really harm us. If I buy a game used (I never do) I can play it. However if there is some content that is there as DLC that was free if I had bought the game then I might get that once I am sure that I like the game. You can whine all you want about companies being greedy for wanting to make profit, but do you think GameStop sells used games because they want us to be happy? Do you buy used games to secure GameStop's happiness?
Everyone puts their own needs over the others. The food industry, the music industry, the movie industry. Name me one industry that doesn't seek for personal gain.

I think you're missing the point of the original post. The consumer has actually been put in a position where we have very little control over what's avaialble.
In every Gamestop I've ever been to (and I'll admit that I don't shop there anymore) you can only buy a new game from them if you have pre-ordered it. So they have put the consumer in the position of either paying some of the money upfront (for a game that nobody knows is any good yet) or buying a used copy.
So that is why I resent publishers putting the onus on the consumer; the consumer has pretty much been pushed in a corner and is getting screwed by Gamestop. Then is also screwed by the publisher for shopping at gamestop.
If the publisher is really losing that much money because of gamestop, they should just screw gamestop rather than their customers.

Hmm I don't really find it that much of a pain since I never buy second hand games. I would rather the money go to the devs than the retailer.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

The problem is that the money doesn't go to the devs. They get the same crappy pay and long hours no matter how many units get moved or how many online passes are sold. The only ones who make money off online passes are the dbags at the publisher who come up with shitty schemes like online pass.
If the money actually did go to the devs, I think there would be fewer people who have problems with it.

It's not the publisher nor the developer's fault that GameStop doesn't sell new games. You call it a shady tactic to use DLC to scavenge money from used sales. Isn't it just as shady for a retailer to only sell used products in order to maximize their profits?

Yes. I think that Gamestop is the most shady element in the situation. Which begs the question, why dont the publishers do something about Gamestop? Instead everything they have done to try and make the situation more profitable for them is screwing over their legitimate consumers.
I'm not defending gamestop (I think it's a huge shit-stain on the whole gaming industry), I'm defending my fellow gamers here. We're getting shit on for things that aren't our fault and I'm getting tired of it.

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Really, tell me what the publishers can do. Do you seriously think you have the answer that the legal teams of all publishers are looking for? The truth is that everything the publisher can do that will stop GameStop is in fact illegal. Are you suggesting that all publishers should band together and break the laws of the market?
The truth of it is that the same laws that make GameStop able to pull in profits is the same laws that make the publishers pull in profits. That we end up in the middle of it sucks, but no-one forces us to buy used.

Well, for starters, they can stop incentivising GameStop so much. If GameStop is such a problem, why give them so much business? Humans are creatures of routine. If you keep making the best place to buy something the guy you hate, guess where they're more likely to go shopping? And since GameStop has their employees rabidly push used sales before new, they are fueling the very thing they claim to be killing them, and then blaming the consumer for it.

 

[The_Waspman]

Industry is heading for another crash, I guarantee it.

I work for Game in the UK, and every time I'm at work these issues come up. The problem the company has is that publishers (not developers, as someone else already pointed out, they get paid no matter how the game does) are charging excessive amounts of money for games to the retailers. So now, companies like Game (who I am not defending in any way btw) don't buy the stock unless its been pre-ordered. Therefore, on day of launch, if you haven't pre-ordered a game, chances are, you're not going to be able to buy it. And then the stores will not get the stock in again.

Granted, there haven't been that many big releases so far this year, but those that have been released (FF XIII-2, Darkness 2, Kingdoms of Amalur and UFC3) were only stocked at launch, and then only those that were pre-ordered (with maybe a few extra copies left over) But here's the rub, it doesn't even matter if you do pre-order it, because sometimes the game isn't even stocked at launch.

Obviously the company can claim that there isn't demand for it, to justify not buying in as much stock from the publisher, but thats bullshit, because so many people repeatedly ask for these titles.

I guess the answer the company would give is that the consumer should pre-order, right? But why *should* we? Sure, we can get excited about fourthcoming releases, but why should we be forced to pre-order just to guarantee a copy? And there are so many different pre-order incentives, depending on where you pre-order from (which, as I understand it, is endorsed by publishers) so no matter what, we, as consumers, are being denied content. Sure, its crap content, like a few different weapons or skins or whatever, but even so...

I know I've kinda drifted off point about the whole Online pass thing, but personally, I will now only buy a game that I am reasonably sure that I'm going to keep. Because personally, I wouldn't want to buy a pre-owned game if I'm being denied content that is given through the use of the online pass, so why should I subject someone to that same situation by trading in my game which I've used the pass for?

 

[boag]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

Before you pass judgement, maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you have the Power Up card you get 10% off which brings the price down to $49.50. That's $10.50 less than the new copy. Plus it may be $10 less than that if you opt out of buying the online pass. That's a nice savings.

And if you bought it at wallmart a month afterwards you could get it for 20 bucks less than what Gamestop is charging, and it would be brand new and not used.

Only if you're lucky, that's not consistent, it would have to be a sale Wal Mart is having otherwise the MSRP would drop across the board, including new games sold by Gamestop. In that case Gamestop would obviously drop used prices to be lower than new prices.

HA! Gamestop doesnt ever drop prices, you can go check for yourself right now.

go look for what have you Skyrim or Mass Effect and compare prices.

Ok, you're just making this up as you go aren't you? Of course Gamestop drops prices. Skyrim is still $55 because it's still $60 new, even at Wal Mart. Mass Effect 1 is $20 used, it's out of print so you can't buy it new.

Seriously, where are you digging this shit up?

ok then you dont like those examples, you give me one, Ill go look it up and post the price on Gamestop and the Price on other places, no jokes no tricks, pick any title you want.

You want me to go find examples to make your point? No.

Dude, I give you examples and you dismiss them because they make my point, I ask you to pick examples that you think would make your point so I can disprove it and you reply with that?

Seems to me you already agree with me that Gamestop doesnt lower its prices.

You're full of it. You tell me to check Skyrim and Mass Effect as an example that Gamestop never lowers their prices. I did, you were wrong, Mass Effect is $20 used, not $50 or $60 which is what the price would be IF Gamestop never dropped their prices. Skyrim hasn't seen a price drop yet anywhere except online stores which are not comparable. You started off telling me that Wal Mart has a new release for $20 less a month after release, you never proved that, then you jump to Amazon because you realized you were wrong about Wal Mart.

Almost everything is cheaper on Amazon but that's because online stores have a lower overhead. Everyone knows that and so do you. You are being dishonest in your arguments. Compare brick and mortar stores to each other, not to online stores.

Im not being dishonest with anything, just because I can find it cheaper anywhere else doesnt make me dishonest, If I used wallmart was just an off the wall example, if you are so angry that Gamestop sells used shit so expensively then just dont buy at Gamestop.

 

[Epona]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

Before you pass judgement, maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you have the Power Up card you get 10% off which brings the price down to $49.50. That's $10.50 less than the new copy. Plus it may be $10 less than that if you opt out of buying the online pass. That's a nice savings.

And if you bought it at wallmart a month afterwards you could get it for 20 bucks less than what Gamestop is charging, and it would be brand new and not used.

Only if you're lucky, that's not consistent, it would have to be a sale Wal Mart is having otherwise the MSRP would drop across the board, including new games sold by Gamestop. In that case Gamestop would obviously drop used prices to be lower than new prices.

HA! Gamestop doesnt ever drop prices, you can go check for yourself right now.

go look for what have you Skyrim or Mass Effect and compare prices.

Ok, you're just making this up as you go aren't you? Of course Gamestop drops prices. Skyrim is still $55 because it's still $60 new, even at Wal Mart. Mass Effect 1 is $20 used, it's out of print so you can't buy it new.

Seriously, where are you digging this shit up?

ok then you dont like those examples, you give me one, Ill go look it up and post the price on Gamestop and the Price on other places, no jokes no tricks, pick any title you want.

You want me to go find examples to make your point? No.

Dude, I give you examples and you dismiss them because they make my point, I ask you to pick examples that you think would make your point so I can disprove it and you reply with that?

Seems to me you already agree with me that Gamestop doesnt lower its prices.

You're full of it. You tell me to check Skyrim and Mass Effect as an example that Gamestop never lowers their prices. I did, you were wrong, Mass Effect is $20 used, not $50 or $60 which is what the price would be IF Gamestop never dropped their prices. Skyrim hasn't seen a price drop yet anywhere except online stores which are not comparable. You started off telling me that Wal Mart has a new release for $20 less a month after release, you never proved that, then you jump to Amazon because you realized you were wrong about Wal Mart.

Almost everything is cheaper on Amazon but that's because online stores have a lower overhead. Everyone knows that and so do you. You are being dishonest in your arguments. Compare brick and mortar stores to each other, not to online stores.

Im not being dishonest with anything, just because I can find it cheaper anywhere else doesnt make me dishonest, If I used wallmart was just an off the wall example, if you are so angry that Gamestop sells used shit so expensively then just dont buy at Gamestop.

I'm not angry with Gamestop, you are. So I guess that since you can find a game cheaper at Amazon, you should lash out at all other places where it is more expensive?

Everything you said was wrong with the exception of Amazon being cheaper. You can't compare online stores to real stores, everyone recognizes that except you. Even Best Buy will tell you they can't compete against their own website.

 

[Stukov Wolfwood]

Industry is heading for another crash, I guarantee it.

I work for Game in the UK, and every time I'm at work these issues come up. The problem the company has is that publishers (not developers, as someone else already pointed out, they get paid no matter how the game does) are charging excessive amounts of money for games to the retailers. So now, companies like Game (who I am not defending in any way btw) don't buy the stock unless its been pre-ordered. Therefore, on day of launch, if you haven't pre-ordered a game, chances are, you're not going to be able to buy it. And then the stores will not get the stock in again.

Granted, there haven't been that many big releases so far this year, but those that have been released (FF XIII-2, Darkness 2, Kingdoms of Amalur and UFC3) were only stocked at launch, and then only those that were pre-ordered (with maybe a few extra copies left over) But here's the rub, it doesn't even matter if you do pre-order it, because sometimes the game isn't even stocked at launch.

Obviously the company can claim that there isn't demand for it, to justify not buying in as much stock from the publisher, but thats bullshit, because so many people repeatedly ask for these titles.

I guess the answer the company would give is that the consumer should pre-order, right? But why *should* we? Sure, we can get excited about fourthcoming releases, but why should we be forced to pre-order just to guarantee a copy? And there are so many different pre-order incentives, depending on where you pre-order from (which, as I understand it, is endorsed by publishers) so no matter what, we, as consumers, are being denied content. Sure, its crap content, like a few different weapons or skins or whatever, but even so...

I know I've kinda drifted off point about the whole Online pass thing, but personally, I will now only buy a game that I am reasonably sure that I'm going to keep. Because personally, I wouldn't want to buy a pre-owned game if I'm being denied content that is given through the use of the online pass, so why should I subject someone to that same situation by trading in my game which I've used the pass for?

well that seems more like a console or retailer business crash than a general crash.
PC's digital distribution platforms like steam and good old games seem to be doing pretty fine (steam grow by a 100% last year for the last 6 or seven years), and as it is digital, there is never a lack of stock.

didn't extra credits made a video called "consoles are the new coin-op", rather than a crash you should expect a radical change in the future.

 

[boag]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

Before you pass judgement, maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you have the Power Up card you get 10% off which brings the price down to $49.50. That's $10.50 less than the new copy. Plus it may be $10 less than that if you opt out of buying the online pass. That's a nice savings.

And if you bought it at wallmart a month afterwards you could get it for 20 bucks less than what Gamestop is charging, and it would be brand new and not used.

Only if you're lucky, that's not consistent, it would have to be a sale Wal Mart is having otherwise the MSRP would drop across the board, including new games sold by Gamestop. In that case Gamestop would obviously drop used prices to be lower than new prices.

HA! Gamestop doesnt ever drop prices, you can go check for yourself right now.

go look for what have you Skyrim or Mass Effect and compare prices.

Ok, you're just making this up as you go aren't you? Of course Gamestop drops prices. Skyrim is still $55 because it's still $60 new, even at Wal Mart. Mass Effect 1 is $20 used, it's out of print so you can't buy it new.

Seriously, where are you digging this shit up?

ok then you dont like those examples, you give me one, Ill go look it up and post the price on Gamestop and the Price on other places, no jokes no tricks, pick any title you want.

You want me to go find examples to make your point? No.

Dude, I give you examples and you dismiss them because they make my point, I ask you to pick examples that you think would make your point so I can disprove it and you reply with that?

Seems to me you already agree with me that Gamestop doesnt lower its prices.

You're full of it. You tell me to check Skyrim and Mass Effect as an example that Gamestop never lowers their prices. I did, you were wrong, Mass Effect is $20 used, not $50 or $60 which is what the price would be IF Gamestop never dropped their prices. Skyrim hasn't seen a price drop yet anywhere except online stores which are not comparable. You started off telling me that Wal Mart has a new release for $20 less a month after release, you never proved that, then you jump to Amazon because you realized you were wrong about Wal Mart.

Almost everything is cheaper on Amazon but that's because online stores have a lower overhead. Everyone knows that and so do you. You are being dishonest in your arguments. Compare brick and mortar stores to each other, not to online stores.

Im not being dishonest with anything, just because I can find it cheaper anywhere else doesnt make me dishonest, If I used wallmart was just an off the wall example, if you are so angry that Gamestop sells used shit so expensively then just dont buy at Gamestop.

I'm not angry with Gamestop, you are. So I guess that since you can find a game cheaper at Amazon, you should lash out at all other places where it is more expensive?

what?

Everything you said was wrong with the exception of Amazon being cheaper.
you mean about finding cheaper stuff in other places that isnt gamestop?

You can't compare online stores to real stores,

why, because it tears apart your argument?

everyone recognizes that except you.

if you feel so insecure about your argument that you need to create an illusionary cadre of people and generalize to feed your ego, go ahead, but in the future you might want to cement your arguments with better logic.

Even Best Buy will tell you they can't compete against their own website.

well duh, tell me something I dont know.

 

[Epona]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

Before you pass judgement, maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you have the Power Up card you get 10% off which brings the price down to $49.50. That's $10.50 less than the new copy. Plus it may be $10 less than that if you opt out of buying the online pass. That's a nice savings.

And if you bought it at wallmart a month afterwards you could get it for 20 bucks less than what Gamestop is charging, and it would be brand new and not used.

Only if you're lucky, that's not consistent, it would have to be a sale Wal Mart is having otherwise the MSRP would drop across the board, including new games sold by Gamestop. In that case Gamestop would obviously drop used prices to be lower than new prices.

HA! Gamestop doesnt ever drop prices, you can go check for yourself right now.

go look for what have you Skyrim or Mass Effect and compare prices.

Ok, you're just making this up as you go aren't you? Of course Gamestop drops prices. Skyrim is still $55 because it's still $60 new, even at Wal Mart. Mass Effect 1 is $20 used, it's out of print so you can't buy it new.

Seriously, where are you digging this shit up?

ok then you dont like those examples, you give me one, Ill go look it up and post the price on Gamestop and the Price on other places, no jokes no tricks, pick any title you want.

You want me to go find examples to make your point? No.

Dude, I give you examples and you dismiss them because they make my point, I ask you to pick examples that you think would make your point so I can disprove it and you reply with that?

Seems to me you already agree with me that Gamestop doesnt lower its prices.

You're full of it. You tell me to check Skyrim and Mass Effect as an example that Gamestop never lowers their prices. I did, you were wrong, Mass Effect is $20 used, not $50 or $60 which is what the price would be IF Gamestop never dropped their prices. Skyrim hasn't seen a price drop yet anywhere except online stores which are not comparable. You started off telling me that Wal Mart has a new release for $20 less a month after release, you never proved that, then you jump to Amazon because you realized you were wrong about Wal Mart.

Almost everything is cheaper on Amazon but that's because online stores have a lower overhead. Everyone knows that and so do you. You are being dishonest in your arguments. Compare brick and mortar stores to each other, not to online stores.

Im not being dishonest with anything, just because I can find it cheaper anywhere else doesnt make me dishonest, If I used wallmart was just an off the wall example, if you are so angry that Gamestop sells used shit so expensively then just dont buy at Gamestop.

I'm not angry with Gamestop, you are. So I guess that since you can find a game cheaper at Amazon, you should lash out at all other places where it is more expensive?

what?

Everything you said was wrong with the exception of Amazon being cheaper.
you mean about finding cheaper stuff in other places that isnt gamestop?

You can't compare online stores to real stores,

why, because it tears apart your argument?

everyone recognizes that except you.

if you feel so insecure about your argument that you need to create an illusionary cadre of people and generalize to feed your ego, go ahead, but in the future you might want to cement your arguments with better logic.

Even Best Buy will tell you they can't compete against their own website.

well duh, tell me something I dont know.

Whatever man, you win.

 

[robert022614]

I didnt vote because I could give a crap about the retailers, but the publishers on the other hand tend to piss me off, but no poll selection for that. should be an other option at least.

 

[RN7]

The publishers and the retailers nowadays are having the tendencies to dick each other over. The consumer is caught up in the mix. The way I see it, if one has a desire to support the industry, they'll buy direct from the publisher. If not, they'll go to retailers. However, with the new policies and tactics of today, that line is blurred.

As of now, if I can get all the aspects of the game I want cheaper from a retailer, you can bet I'll get it from the retailer. If not, I'll buy from the publisher, unless the game costs above 60 bucks, in which case I'll buy it when it becomes old.

In all honesty, I don't actually pay that much for games nowadays considering I primarily play demos, Betas and F2P games. This, however, doesn't mean I wouldn't buy a game if I thought it was a worth-while investment, such as Skyrim or Guild Wars 2.

 

[boag]

Online pass only punishes those who want to pay $5 less for a game from the evil corporation of GameStop. I have no love lost for those people.

Seriously though, if you pay $55 for a Used copy of a game when you could just as easily buy it brand new for $60, then I just don't know what to say. You deserve to be charged for online pass.

Before you pass judgement, maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you have the Power Up card you get 10% off which brings the price down to $49.50. That's $10.50 less than the new copy. Plus it may be $10 less than that if you opt out of buying the online pass. That's a nice savings.

And if you bought it at wallmart a month afterwards you could get it for 20 bucks less than what Gamestop is charging, and it would be brand new and not used.

Only if you're lucky, that's not consistent, it would have to be a sale Wal Mart is having otherwise the MSRP would drop across the board, including new games sold by Gamestop. In that case Gamestop would obviously drop used prices to be lower than new prices.

HA! Gamestop doesnt ever drop prices, you can go check for yourself right now.

go look for what have you Skyrim or Mass Effect and compare prices.

Ok, you're just making this up as you go aren't you? Of course Gamestop drops prices. Skyrim is still $55 because it's still $60 new, even at Wal Mart. Mass Effect 1 is $20 used, it's out of print so you can't buy it new.

Seriously, where are you digging this shit up?

ok then you dont like those examples, you give me one, Ill go look it up and post the price on Gamestop and the Price on other places, no jokes no tricks, pick any title you want.

You want me to go find examples to make your point? No.

Dude, I give you examples and you dismiss them because they make my point, I ask you to pick examples that you think would make your point so I can disprove it and you reply with that?

Seems to me you already agree with me that Gamestop doesnt lower its prices.

You're full of it. You tell me to check Skyrim and Mass Effect as an example that Gamestop never lowers their prices. I did, you were wrong, Mass Effect is $20 used, not $50 or $60 which is what the price would be IF Gamestop never dropped their prices. Skyrim hasn't seen a price drop yet anywhere except online stores which are not comparable. You started off telling me that Wal Mart has a new release for $20 less a month after release, you never proved that, then you jump to Amazon because you realized you were wrong about Wal Mart.

Almost everything is cheaper on Amazon but that's because online stores have a lower overhead. Everyone knows that and so do you. You are being dishonest in your arguments. Compare brick and mortar stores to each other, not to online stores.

Im not being dishonest with anything, just because I can find it cheaper anywhere else doesnt make me dishonest, If I used wallmart was just an off the wall example, if you are so angry that Gamestop sells used shit so expensively then just dont buy at Gamestop.

I'm not angry with Gamestop, you are. So I guess that since you can find a game cheaper at Amazon, you should lash out at all other places where it is more expensive?

what?

Everything you said was wrong with the exception of Amazon being cheaper.
you mean about finding cheaper stuff in other places that isnt gamestop?

You can't compare online stores to real stores,

why, because it tears apart your argument?

everyone recognizes that except you.

if you feel so insecure about your argument that you need to create an illusionary cadre of people and generalize to feed your ego, go ahead, but in the future you might want to cement your arguments with better logic.

Even Best Buy will tell you they can't compete against their own website.

well duh, tell me something I dont know.

Whatever man, you win.

hoo ray, my epeen grows stronger with the blood of another vanquished foe, let this be a resounding warning to anyone that dare try to dethrone me as king of the intertubes /sarcasm