Poll: Peter Molyneux, Idiot or Liar?

[Valentine82]

but then I don't have any reason to think that he does not believe the things he says.

Does he later realize that those things he meant at the time are untrue? If he does, and he chooses to keep the truth from us, how can you say that he's not dishonest?

Skarin may not have read that Peter Molyneux claimed that Black and White 2 had 11 lands and 7 tribes. No matter how you spin it, it didn't, and Peter Molyneux mentioned that it didn't AFTER Millions of copies were sold. Skarin claims that the trees grew in Fable because they changed color, Peter Molyneux said there would be trees growing from saplings, there were not. He did not later come back and tell us that his claim (among others) was false until three months after the game was released and millions of copies were sold.

So ultimately it boils down to this.

1: Peter Molyneux is an intentional liar OR
2: Peter Molyneux meant what he said at the time and later realized what he said was untrue, thus he was dishonest for intentionally keeping the truth from us OR
3: Peter Molyneux meant what he said at the time and he wasn't unaware of what was going into or being cut from his game OR
4: Peter Molyneux meant what he said at the time and he later forgot as his statements were proven untrue and didn't think to tell us the truth, thus unintentionally allowing us to believe a lie.

Saying he's overly enthusiastic suggests 3 or 4, which falls into the idiot/unaware catagory.

 

[Shycte]

And you are some kind of Jesus who never lies?

Please, stop whining. There is nothing wrong with the man.

 

[The Austin]

He just over hyped fable 2. I thought black and white and the moives was pretty good.

 

[Valentine82]

And you are some kind of Jesus who never lies?

Please, stop whining. There is nothing wrong with the man.

So you're saying we should all just shut up and give him a free pass?

He just over hyped fable 2. I thought black and white and the moives was pretty good.

I don't know about Fable 2 but some of the things he stated about Black and White 2 does not qualify as mere hype. Claiming that a game will be awesome is one thing, claiming that it will specifically have a feature that it does not have is another thing. Maybe he meant for Black and White 2 to have 11 lands and 7 tribes when he said it, but he didn't tell us otherwise until after millions of people bought the game.

 

[skitzo van]

He's just a dumbass. I remember watching a video of Fable 2, where Peter talked for 90% of the video, showed 30 seconds of gameplay, and said Fable 2 was going to be the best game ever.Dumbass

 

[Shycte]

And you are some kind of Jesus who never lies?

Please, stop whining. There is nothing wrong with the man.

So you're saying we should all just shut up and give him a free pass?

We are not giving him a free pass because he have not done anything wrong.

[small] With the exeption of the original Fable, [/small] But still!

He never overhyped Fable 2. It was the fans and the media who did that. Everything he said was to be found in the game.

The only reason he gets all this bullshit is because he is Peter motherfucking Molyneux. Every single developer hype their games aswell without getting a third of the flames Peter does.

I think it was with Fallout 3 that we were pronised over a hundred endings. Anyone who played that game knows that wasn't exactly the case.

So please, stop pretending that you know what you are talking about. Okay?

Thanks.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

I'm surprised this thing hasen't been locked yet. The posts may be civilized but the topic is no better then a common flame thread.

Valtine. You need to relize that things are said to make them seem interesting. If Peter said somthing that made his fans happy would he really come out and say that he was mistaken the idea has been scrapped?

Bioshock orginally had a plasmid that would allow you to teleport between two areas. I was excited about it, but utimatly it was scrapped. Does that make 2K Boston and 2k Australia liars?

I don't belive it does. My point is that if you take everything to heart and expect them to do it then your just gonna be disapointed. Hell most of the things that he scrapped were scrapped becuase they could not implemented smoothly.

 

[Valentine82]

Snip.

There's a difference between hyping a game and making demonstrably untrue statements about it.

Bioshock orginally had a plasmid that would allow you to teleport between two areas. I was excited about it, but utimatly it was scrapped. Does that make 2K Boston and 2k Australia liars?

I don't know. Did they claim that the game would have that in it? Did they say that it was taken out before the game was released? If yes then no, they were dishonest. So are we to just accept dishonesty from the industry? Is it ok for one developer to lie so long as another get's away with lying?

 

[lacktheknack]

Am I the only person here who isn't bothered by Molyneux at all?

Nope. Join the two-man club.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Snip.

There's a difference between hyping a game and making demonstrably untrue statements about it.

Bioshock orginally had a plasmid that would allow you to teleport between two areas. I was excited about it, but utimatly it was scrapped. Does that make 2K Boston and 2k Australia liars?

I don't know. Did they claim that the game would have that in it? Did they say that it was taken out before the game was released? If yes then no, they were dishonest. So are we to just accept dishonesty from the industry? Is it ok for one developer to lie so long as another get's away with lying?

They showed a video of it. The problem with it was led to glitched areas in which Gametesters would get stuck in the walls. Leaving them unable to move. Should developers include every feature they promised if it cause the game to be buggy? I say no. They get rid of it to make the game run smoother,to cut back on bugs, and ultimatly to make it more enjoyably.

Ideas are scrapped to becuase the developer belives that it is for the greater good.

 

[Shycte]

-Shycte

I am going to clearly say this clearly aforementioned features of certain Lionhead Games are non existent besides my original post lists all the other good developers who don't bull shit and besides fallout didn't lie about their endings that was GTA4

And you are some kind of Jesus who never lies?

Please, stop whining. There is nothing wrong with the man.

So you're saying we should all just shut up and give him a free pass?

Valentine82 is completely right thats just like saying " Well ,yes we know Hitler massacred a few million people but lets not bring it up .We might drag the mood down or come across as 'whiney'

Firstly, if you want me to reply, use the Quote button or else chanses are I wont reply. You are new here so I will let that pass.

Secondly, how fucking dare you compare the holocaust to this. Seriously either you must have the most giant cojones ever, or you're a really, really, really big troll.

Seriously, I am speechless, you compared Peter Molyneux overhated mistakes to Hitler killing 12 million people. What can I say? It is NOT the same fucking thing.

I would say some things but them the mods would get all angry at me, so I won't.

Anyway, back to the point.

Peter Molyneux have done nothing wrong. It is his job to create hype for his game. Blaming him is like calling a Doctor stupid for curing your illness.

Now, would you kindly get the fuck of the internet.

 

[henrebotha]

He's both. I refuse to even touch Fable 2 because I know that, despite the fact I might still enjoy it, he either lied about it, or he is so ignorant of game design that he is unqualified to be making games at all.

 

[EisBaron]

This is getting good....

 

[DrDeath3191]

He's both. I refuse to even touch Fable 2 because I know that, despite the fact I might still enjoy it, he either lied about it, or he is so ignorant of game design that he is unqualified to be making games at all.

Yeah! Let's completely ignore the fact that he has made Populous, Syndicate, and Dungeon Keeper! He can't make games!

You should at least give the game a try before you make such a claim.

 

[tsolless]

And you are some kind of Jesus who never lies?

Please, stop whining. There is nothing wrong with the man.

So you're saying we should all just shut up and give him a free pass?

Valentine82 is completely right thats just like saying " Well ,yes we know Hitler massacred a few million people but lets not bring it up .We might drag the mood down or come across as 'whiney'

Yes, Peter Molyneux's occasional over hyping and over enthusiasm for developing his one games can be compared to Hitler's genocidal acts. Completely logical.

 

[AmrasCalmacil]

Who the fuck Necro'd this?

Goddamnit.
More flame than vietnam, where're the mods?