Poll: Peter Molyneux, Idiot or Liar?
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I think it really is just his reach exceeding his grasp. I give him a bit of leeway because I'm a big fan of THE MOVIES- it's lumpy as all Hell but weirdly addictive.
Also, I'm not sure he's always in a position to come clean about things being dropped. He's not at the top of the company structure- he's the Creative Director at Microsoft's game division, but there are people over him and they probably don't want him going around saying "Yeah, turns out we had to drop all that stuff I raved about earlier."
I think it really is just his reach exceeding his grasp. I give him a bit of leeway because I'm a big fan of THE MOVIES- it's lumpy as all Hell but weirdly addictive.
Also, I'm not sure he's always in a position to come clean about things being dropped. He's not at the top of the company structure- he's the Creative Director at Microsoft's game division, but there are people over him and they probably don't want him going around saying "Yeah, turns out we had to drop all that stuff I raved about earlier."
You (the OP and everyone else to whom this applys thereafter) are an idiot for complaining. I would like to see you make a game as good as Fable. The developers put their heart and souls into these games, and when theyre genuinely good, people still expect more, you ungrateful spoiled brats. If its a good game, theres a decent chance there will be a sequel, if not an expansion. If Fable didnt satisfy you, make your own damn game.
I always though he was a navel doctor that traveled the world with a parrot that suffered from Tourettes.Aqualung said:
To the OP: The man is a businessman. He knows what sells and he knows how to sell it. Sometimes product embellishment is required to get the message across rapidly and to generate hype. So he may be a one-tick-pony with his exaggerations but he has and still can deliver a solid gaming experience. Fable II for example was not too off the beat he spoke of, the trailers looked different, yes, but what he said was going to be in the game...was in the game.
You could choose to look at it as product dishonesty provided that one can prove he intentionally lies to his customers. But see, that's no easy task and like someone said before, without knowing how exactly he executes his ideas one cannot be certain of this.
In the end though, does it really matter?. So he "polishes" some details up but none of his products has been completely, 100% and beyond a reasonable doubt, inaccurate has it?. He has delivered some great games and some "meh" games but an idiot he is not. Liar?...probably.
After all, when advertising there is a bit of lying involved. Look at the shopping channel if you want evidence.
I wouldn't know if he dishonest or a liar, but I do get the point and he probably one or the either. Though most game companies do this , but not as bad as he does. I was Deeply disappointed with Spore. A LOT! of the things he said and show were not in the game. For example underwater cities I heard him mention. I saw creature with metal skin, so I assume droid life forms or some of that sort. And all the ages beside space just felt like little mini games they hardly did with anything. And space got really boring in controlling one ship. Fable wasn't bad, but I couldn't get into fable 2, not sure why.
Now I don't agree with Valentine, I think she is being unfair and one sided, however she supports her argument to a degree so I'll let it go.Altio said:
So I don't agree with her, but if a person needs to make a game before they can complain about one, than you can't even like a game untill you've made one. That would be a messed up world with some very poor logic behind it.
I don't need to be a director to tell you what movies are good or bad, I don't need to be a writer to tell you that "I woke up and it was all a dream" is crapy storytelling and Valentine don't need to be a developer to complain about what one has said.
You know if Valentine is a dev' you'll look quite stupid.
Hmmm..I could have sworn the guy who did Black and white also did spore. Meh my mistake.DrDeath3191 said:
Nah. Same guy who did the Sims. I can understand how you made the mistake, though.Outcast107 said:
He just gets too excited. He is Fable's nimber 1 fanboy. He does not say what he says to fuck with you, he honestly wants them to be in the game, but they just cant be implemented, not yet anyways. If he could make a game exactly how he wants, it would be a perfect game though.
Hey now, let's not get insulting. I don't agree with her either, but insults are not a good way to make a point.rated pg said:
Over four pages already, but I think I can still add something. I live in the Netherlands, you see, and we have a big magazine on games here who at the production of Fable 1 managed to get an exclusive deal; every month Molyneux would tell us in the magazine about Fable...
Some of the things he PROMISED would be in the final game where stuff like the trees growing in real time. As you know, this was never implemented. When the magazine later asked what the deal was with the trees he eventually said: "When I said it, it was intended to be in there. Later it turned out the xbox needed 80% of all processing power just to keep the tree growth computed. So we scrapped it." Then, logically, the magazine asked why he did not say anything about this and half a dozen other very unique and awesome ideas where all very much absent.
PM said: "It was intended to be in there when I said so."...
I think the point Valentine82 wanted to make was just this: PM makes a claim, about something that WILL BE IN THE GAME. In this very case that where his words. In the following year, he gave 12 half page updates on Fable's development, and never said a word about the tree growth being scrapped, but three months after it was RELEASED he said "Oh, yeah, we scrapped it. Sorry you bought the game and expected it to be in there.".
Another point is that Molyneux indeed must look through a four inch thick pair of pink shades making the world seem awesome and colourfull and full of promise. If you're a jaded misantrope like myself and the world seems painted black (Rolling Stones pun there, youngsters!) it would seem PM lied about stuff being "awesomely this, and smashingly that!".
Like Yathzee said in his Fable 2 review: "That might have been a bit charictaristically over optimistic, Peter!". It's PM's nature.
But still, Fable 1, Black and White and Fable 2 where all quite dissapointing to me. More like tech demo's than balanced fun games!
Some of the things he PROMISED would be in the final game where stuff like the trees growing in real time. As you know, this was never implemented. When the magazine later asked what the deal was with the trees he eventually said: "When I said it, it was intended to be in there. Later it turned out the xbox needed 80% of all processing power just to keep the tree growth computed. So we scrapped it." Then, logically, the magazine asked why he did not say anything about this and half a dozen other very unique and awesome ideas where all very much absent.
PM said: "It was intended to be in there when I said so."...
I think the point Valentine82 wanted to make was just this: PM makes a claim, about something that WILL BE IN THE GAME. In this very case that where his words. In the following year, he gave 12 half page updates on Fable's development, and never said a word about the tree growth being scrapped, but three months after it was RELEASED he said "Oh, yeah, we scrapped it. Sorry you bought the game and expected it to be in there.".
Another point is that Molyneux indeed must look through a four inch thick pair of pink shades making the world seem awesome and colourfull and full of promise. If you're a jaded misantrope like myself and the world seems painted black (Rolling Stones pun there, youngsters!) it would seem PM lied about stuff being "awesomely this, and smashingly that!".
Like Yathzee said in his Fable 2 review: "That might have been a bit charictaristically over optimistic, Peter!". It's PM's nature.
But still, Fable 1, Black and White and Fable 2 where all quite dissapointing to me. More like tech demo's than balanced fun games!