That still reeks of bias, but I suppose I'm not going to convince you of simply adding a 'neither' option. It seems to me that you don't want everybody's opinion: just those who have dislike towards Mr. Molyneux.Valentine82 said:Does he know what's going on with his titles or not?DrDeath3191 said:
If he doesn't, he's an idiot, or at the very least unaware.
If he does, he's a liar, or at the very least chooses to be dishonest with us.
It doesn't matter whether he originally intended for something to be in his game or not. If he knows that something he previously said is now false, and he sees that people are still planning on buying his products based on that falsehood, then he is dishonest in keeping the truth from us.
Anyway I added /Unaware after Idiot, so if you feel that he's just unaware that the things he says are untrue, pick option one
Poll: Peter Molyneux, Idiot or Liar?
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Soothsayer? That's like the opposite of liar right?
Seriously as people have said, he is promoting his products, there's no room for understating in the marketing industry.
Actually now I think about it, my McDonalds burger was nowhere near as pretty as the one in the poster... then again, all the components were there, weren't they.
At least my 600ml Cokes always come complete with lense flare, just as advertised.
Soothsayer? That's like the opposite of liar right?
Seriously as people have said, he is promoting his products, there's no room for understating in the marketing industry.
Actually now I think about it, my McDonalds burger was nowhere near as pretty as the one in the poster... then again, all the components were there, weren't they.
At least my 600ml Cokes always come complete with lense flare, just as advertised.
What you guys are failing to remember is that Molyneux is actually a god bound in human form. He is used to controlling the very fabric of reality. Now that he is a mere mortal like the rest of us, the best he can accomplish is attempting to recreate life in videogame form. He forgets that not everything has been/can be replicated in his games and thus makes his grandiose statements that let us all down. As for the statements he makes that are clearly lies and have no basis in reality whatsoever (see: Milo demo), his hair growth formula makes him very suggestible, so code monkeys (fed up with trying to meet molyneux's goal of creating a perfect digital represation of life) feed him lies to tell the public so they can laugh at how big a jackass he makes of himself.
Then, one day, Molyneux will fuse with Colonel Sanders, create the Matrix, and we'll all be well and truly fucked.
Then, one day, Molyneux will fuse with Colonel Sanders, create the Matrix, and we'll all be well and truly fucked.
It wasn't just that. The mask you get at the end didn't really do anything either. And it's not that these were small changes. They were pretty much the only changes to Fable in the expansion pack. They added another section to the mayor storyline and didn't complete it. The mask that seems like a powerful artifact didn't do shit. The whole game was too linear for a RPG (especially when the whole selling point was in the choices). I liked the game, but parts of it didn't seem finished.Mekado said:
He is both. Black and White was one of the best games from my childhood and Fable one of the best from my brother's.
Peter's original idea of 5 B&W games where you have decreasing levels of godly powers as time moves on and you enter eras with less belief in gods, getting less "up in the sky yahweh" and a little more "get out of my way" until the 5th game where you're pretty much a normal person with a bit of a holy spark to you.
This sounded amazing to the childish mind of me, and even now the idea appeals to me, unfortunately our dear old Peter has caught wind of the lovely smell of money and realises that while giving what he promised would make him ridiculed less, he's under the foolish illusion that we like his arrogant smugness and enjoy his mediocre attempts at games. I am, of course, referring to Fable 2 there.
Peter's original idea of 5 B&W games where you have decreasing levels of godly powers as time moves on and you enter eras with less belief in gods, getting less "up in the sky yahweh" and a little more "get out of my way" until the 5th game where you're pretty much a normal person with a bit of a holy spark to you.
This sounded amazing to the childish mind of me, and even now the idea appeals to me, unfortunately our dear old Peter has caught wind of the lovely smell of money and realises that while giving what he promised would make him ridiculed less, he's under the foolish illusion that we like his arrogant smugness and enjoy his mediocre attempts at games. I am, of course, referring to Fable 2 there.
PM is a dreamer. He's set himself these ultimate goals for games, which unfortunately can not be reached by current gen technology, time and resources. I still remember his promises for Fable and we still seem to be years away from that level of character development. That however, has not affected my enjoyment of the Fable series, they're still great games on their own merits.
The game industry needs more people like PM and great ideas for games, rather than companies continue to produce generic shite every year. I'd rather a company fail with a good idea, than another generic FPS game out to bleed money from consumers.
The game industry needs more people like PM and great ideas for games, rather than companies continue to produce generic shite every year. I'd rather a company fail with a good idea, than another generic FPS game out to bleed money from consumers.
Anyone who takes the guy who's job it is to sell the games word for a fact is, sorry to say so, a complete idiot IMO.
Ofc he's lying about how great the games are, it's called adverticing.
Here's a hint for anyone naive enough to fall for lies like that.
If someone will make money when you buy the game, don't trust any praise they give the game... Period.
Ofc he's lying about how great the games are, it's called adverticing.
Here's a hint for anyone naive enough to fall for lies like that.
If someone will make money when you buy the game, don't trust any praise they give the game... Period.
That'd be false balance. If someone can explain how knowing that something you've said is untrue yet letting people believe it anyway isn't dishonest I'll consider it. Also if someone can explain how not being aware of what's going into your own game isn't being unaware, then maybe I'll add a neither option.DrDeath3191 said:
There's a difference between saying that something will be in a game that isn't in the game, and saying that a game will be better than it is.teisjm said:
Whether you liked Fable or not, for instance, Peter Molyneux told us certain things about Fable that turned out to be untrue. The question then becomes when did he know they were untrue, and why didn't he tell us? If he knew at any point before the release then he was dishonest for keeping the truth from us, if he didn't know then he was unaware of the content of his own game.
In other words he's dishonestmatnatz said:Neither. Simply a good marketer
I don't see how that'd be false balance but I'll play along anyway. Peter's aspirations often outweigh the technology at hand. What Peter said was stuff that he wanted to see in the game, not necessarily what would be in it. Neither falsehood, nor idiocy.Valentine82 said:
I am voting Ham surgeon. Not only is it irrelevant to the OP but I had no idea that surgeons specialized so much.
Actually OT: I would say neither because I for one don't fully understand his role in the company nor do I understand how significant a hand he has in the development process. Without this it's hard to say if he is truly oblivious to what's going on or genuinely deceitful.
I know he is a game designer but actually designing and overseeing is two very different things.
Actually OT: I would say neither because I for one don't fully understand his role in the company nor do I understand how significant a hand he has in the development process. Without this it's hard to say if he is truly oblivious to what's going on or genuinely deceitful.
I know he is a game designer but actually designing and overseeing is two very different things.
Ok, I'll grant you that.DrDeath3191 said:
When giving interviews about Fable, he did not present some of the things he said as things he wanted to see, he presented some of the things that later turned out to be untrue as facts. That is to say he did not specify that some things were just ideas.DrDeath3191 said:
He also presented certain things about Black and White 2 as if they were facts (things even listed on the back of some of the retail boxes) that turned out to be untrue, such as that it would have 11 lands and 7 tribes, that it would have tech research ect. Obviously these things were false, so the question becomes when did he know that they were false, and why didn't he tell us the truth when he did?
But still dishonesty, if at any point he knew that people were buying products based on the things he said and didn't tell them the truth.DrDeath3191 said:
Could you present some links to these articles, please? I would like to see these claims that you make in action. As to the Black and White 2 box, as previously stated, he had nothing to do with it.Valentine82 said:
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Most of them were/are on Gamespot from back when Fable was still a new Soon to be Released title.On the Black and White 2 Box, the Box only said things PM himself had said in interviews. PM should have checked to make sure EA had it's fact's straight before it started packaging.
I'd argue that it was EA who needed to check with Molyneux, not the other way around. I'll try looking up these things. I'll get back to you with my findings.Valentine82 said:DrDeath3191 said:
On the Black and White 2 Box, the Box only said things PM himself had said in interviews. PM should have checked to make sure EA had it's fact's straight before it started packaging.
Could you list some of the things he lied about? I wasn't there when he lied about them, the liar.
He just markets his games. His games are usually pretty good even if they're not as good as he says they're going to be so who cares?
Basically, he's just the frontman for lionhead. When he says outragous things about his games its like when I say that giving me money will give you a huge penis.
By the way, giving me money will give you a huge penis.
Basically, he's just the frontman for lionhead. When he says outragous things about his games its like when I say that giving me money will give you a huge penis.
By the way, giving me money will give you a huge penis.