Poll: Pirating
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Well there's your bloody problem! You're on a freakin' Mac! Any attempt at PC gaming on that platform is going to be hit-or-miss at best, so rather than engage in piracy, try buying a PC if you want to play PC games!PhunkyPhazon said:
You wouldn't play XBox 360 games on a PS3, would you?
If companies wouldn't charge such an OBSCENE amount for music, and would actually let you OWN said purchases (DRMs are devil spawn) then I would not pirate. But when you consider that a song costs a WHOLE DOLLAR (OK 99 cents..) or you can subscribe for unlimited downloads but not actually OWN the music, pirating is the way to go, seriously it shouldn't cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars to fill up an iPod.
Yes, but are you logged into your profile on a proxy server? If you're not, your IP can be easily traced as long as you're online.chickenlord said:
[small] But I'm sure I'll be killed in my sleep, just for telling you this.[/small]
1. I don't have the money for a PC. And since the only current console I have is a Wii, Installing Windows through Bootcamp seemed the best way to go.SimuLord said:
2. Like I said, most games I've tried work perfectly fine, having one or two games not work isn't a big deal.
3. (This is also in response to LordNue) The entire reason I downloaded GTAIV was to sample it and make sure it worked properly before I bought it. It would have defeated the point if I didn't buy it.
Yeah, pirating stuff. Worst thing about it is people who try to justify it. Face it, you're commiting a crime. Stealing namely, no matter how you may 'prove' otherwise. You're doing it because
a) you're greedy - it's not extraordinarily cheap, yes, but people work for that shit hard
b) it doesn't feel like a crime - you're alone, nobody's watching you, so there's a psychological bonus, just like with e.g. fast driving
c) it's easy as shit
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d) as the person above me stated: "everyone does it, right? why not me?"
If you have to download your shit, do it, but I presume 80% of the stuff you own is not worth your time anyways. Do like me (I'm not rich myself), focus on the really good stuff and use your brains, don't get suckered in. Video stores are your best friends. Fuckers.
a) you're greedy - it's not extraordinarily cheap, yes, but people work for that shit hard
b) it doesn't feel like a crime - you're alone, nobody's watching you, so there's a psychological bonus, just like with e.g. fast driving
c) it's easy as shit
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d) as the person above me stated: "everyone does it, right? why not me?"
If you have to download your shit, do it, but I presume 80% of the stuff you own is not worth your time anyways. Do like me (I'm not rich myself), focus on the really good stuff and use your brains, don't get suckered in. Video stores are your best friends. Fuckers.
Pirating is wrong in every way possible and every single argument piraters use are flimsy.
You say that you're "making a point" to the company.
Yup. You make the point that their product is in fact popular and "wantable", but they just haven't worked enough on their DRM. You don't get to go to them and explain your reason for pirating. They just see that you pirated it, and don't know anything about your motivations. The guy at the board meeting who suggests "Maybe they're pirating because it's overpriced" will have no evidence to give and will be thrown out.
You say that it's not so bad because you're not a part of the target audience.
By pirating it, you're proving that you are. Would you pirate Dora the Explorer: Adventures in the Arctic with SingAlong? No? Probably because you'd never pay for it, and show absolutely no interest. Would you pirate Tomb Raider? Maybe? Because you'd never buy it anyway. But if that game has a value of $0 to you, why do you want it? It obviously has value to you, even if it's a far less value than the price assigned.
The demo doesn't show enough, and I'll buy it if I feel the devs deserve it.
If this is a problem for you, you can rent the game or just leave it, letting the developers know you don't want to buy a game until you've seen a bit of it in action. If the demo was a lot of fun, that's probably indicative of the rest of the game. If it wasn't so fun, or left you wanting more, that's also indicative. So don't buy.
Let me cap off saying piracy is massively hurting the PC gaming market, and drives up prices and DRM for other markets like music. Think through the consequences of stealing the game you "don't actually want."
You say that you're "making a point" to the company.
Yup. You make the point that their product is in fact popular and "wantable", but they just haven't worked enough on their DRM. You don't get to go to them and explain your reason for pirating. They just see that you pirated it, and don't know anything about your motivations. The guy at the board meeting who suggests "Maybe they're pirating because it's overpriced" will have no evidence to give and will be thrown out.
You say that it's not so bad because you're not a part of the target audience.
By pirating it, you're proving that you are. Would you pirate Dora the Explorer: Adventures in the Arctic with SingAlong? No? Probably because you'd never pay for it, and show absolutely no interest. Would you pirate Tomb Raider? Maybe? Because you'd never buy it anyway. But if that game has a value of $0 to you, why do you want it? It obviously has value to you, even if it's a far less value than the price assigned.
The demo doesn't show enough, and I'll buy it if I feel the devs deserve it.
If this is a problem for you, you can rent the game or just leave it, letting the developers know you don't want to buy a game until you've seen a bit of it in action. If the demo was a lot of fun, that's probably indicative of the rest of the game. If it wasn't so fun, or left you wanting more, that's also indicative. So don't buy.
Let me cap off saying piracy is massively hurting the PC gaming market, and drives up prices and DRM for other markets like music. Think through the consequences of stealing the game you "don't actually want."
This is the only part I don't agree with. With some games you literally are not part of the people they want to sell games to. Japanese exclusives mainly. My primary example being Mother 3. The Mother series has a massive fanbase in both Japan and everywhere else. You may remember Earthbound. That was Mother 2. Well when Mother 3 came, the great Japanese overlords decided to not show mercy on the world and decided to not share their wares with us. They refused to sell their product in our market. I didn't know about Mother 3 when it came out either. I didn't know until years later when it wasn't for sale any more. Not only was it only in Japanese for use only with a Japanese GBA, I couldn't even import it through normal standards. Not to mention the entire Mother series was dropped from the map. They literally can not sell it to us again due to the fact that the people who made will be sued repetitively for outdated pop-culture references if they did. Getting a legal copy of that game is very near to impossible for me and very much impossible for me to understand without patching it, which is in itself considered illegal. I would love to buy an English copy of the entire Mother series. I love those games. The people in charge of the games just never loved me.Katana314 said:
It's not always impossible to track you through a proxy, either.
I used to pirate music, stuff that was mainly unavailable to my silly, underaged ass. Occasionally, I'd hunt for ROMs of games no longer published and practically impossible to find, for dead systems abandoned years before. But now I have credit cards, plus a conscience, and the world of online (and offline) entertainment shopping is vastly expanded compared to how it was when I was in middle and high school. I still feel bad about those thefts, though I see that they were quite minor. In the end, they served to expand my interest in many directions. I've bought many things alluded to and related to by my 'acquisitions.' But this pattern is probably not very common, and in any case... It was begun by depriving creatives of their just profits at my consumption of their properties.
I used to pirate music, stuff that was mainly unavailable to my silly, underaged ass. Occasionally, I'd hunt for ROMs of games no longer published and practically impossible to find, for dead systems abandoned years before. But now I have credit cards, plus a conscience, and the world of online (and offline) entertainment shopping is vastly expanded compared to how it was when I was in middle and high school. I still feel bad about those thefts, though I see that they were quite minor. In the end, they served to expand my interest in many directions. I've bought many things alluded to and related to by my 'acquisitions.' But this pattern is probably not very common, and in any case... It was begun by depriving creatives of their just profits at my consumption of their properties.
You can try and justify it all you like, the fact remains that knowing your specs is 99% of the PC gaming battle, and piracy is still borrowing (or outright taking) something without the permission of its owner, and it's still a crime.PhunkyPhazon said:
If you do it in order to gain profit then its wrong.If you download and you dont share or upload at a decent speed its wrong too.I only pirate music which is impossible to find here and games that are too old or too expensive to buy.
I support piracy as it is a perfect example of social sharing and giving, kinda like the first christian communities (not)
I support piracy as it is a perfect example of social sharing and giving, kinda like the first christian communities (not)
