Poll: Pokemon is actually strategy and not an RPG ?
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The amount of people who are ignorant to competitive pokemon battling in this topic surprises me for some reason.
It's an RPG, there's not that much strategy. Sure you have to decide which is better, electric or grass vs water, but you get that in things like Final Fantasy, I can use the characters A, B and C or X, Y and Z, or any combination thereof. As well as using Fire v Blizzard against a zombie. And all that sort of stuff.
TL;DR - I think you're wrong.
TL;DR - I think you're wrong.
I would call that more the exception that proves the rule. I could spend an entire chess game moving only my pawns, but that wouldn't mean the game was meant to be played that way. Even stupid players are likely to have more than one type of move on their Pokemon, considering the essential nature of HMs and how most Pokemon naturally learn moves from several different types.Loop Stricken said:
And don't think I didn't notice that "disregarding Struggle" bit, which completely negates your argument, anyway, considering a Lv 100 Pikachu WOULD probably be able to survive a match long enough to bust out a Struggle or two, and then it's all over for Lv 1 Onyx. So even within the confines of your extremely narrow, limited test, your case fails. You can't just throw out Struggle. It's a move the devs put in the game. In fact, it probably nullifies EVERY example you can think of like the Pikachu/Onyx one, with the possible exception of Lv 100 Pokemon with all Normal moves vs Lv 1 Ghost Pokemon. Even then, I'm not sure if Struggle would miss or not.
Not me. I think I had an awesome Swellow that got to level 80 or something.FROGGEman2 said:
Assuming the opponent wasn't a rock type, Swellow could beat it down.
For the regular game its a RPG and a very average one at that. The metagame however is pure strategy with a bare minimum of RPG elements in it.
for the
Let me introduce you to my good friend F.E.A.R Kangaskhan. You breed it to have the moves endeavor and sucker punch at level one, along with the ability scrappy so endeavor can hit ghost types. You then equip it with a focus sash,put it in the lead position in your party and get into battle (With it still at lv. 1 here). In the battle you start by using endeavor, you opponent should use a damaging attack, if they don't keep using endeavor until they do. Once they do two things will happen. 1 The focus sash will save your Pokemon with only 1 hp left. 2 endeavor will activate dropping your enemy's HP to the same as yours (1). The next turn you use sucker punch which lets your Kangaskhan move first. All attacks that hit must do at least 1 hp damage so the enemy poke loses its last HP point. Result: 1 dead lv 100 Pokemon killed by a lv 1 Kangaskan.
For the single player, thats fairly true. However for that to apply for the metagame the following would need to be true
You can only use one party member at a time. Each party memeber can only use 4 attacks out of a choice of 50/60. That move pool is unique to each character and is chosen from a total of several hundred different moves. Oh and there are over 400 characters to chose from
If you switch to another party member it uses up a turn and the enemy gets to complete their turn with out you being able to do anything.
Each party member is weak to certain elements and you need to set up your other 5 characters to compensate for this. At the same time you need to be setting your party up to hit your opponents weak spots.
Instead of 6 elements you need to cover, there are 17.
Each party member can have 1 item to use, and their stuck with it through out the fight. It can only effect them and these are the only items that can be used. Furthermore a good chunk of items don't work in battle. There are several hundred of these as well.
You need to deal with assignable stats as well as the base stats further adding further possibilities to change up your party.
Even discounting the entirely useless combinations there are at least tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of possibilities you have to chose from and attempt to counter.
Randomly during the game, setups you've created become useless, the enemy's tactics change and your back at square one figuring out how to adapt.
Oh and instead of a AI that a small child could outwit, you're dealing with real people who are all trying to do the exact same thing to you.
Shall I go on?
Wofiel said:
for the
Samurai Goomba said:
Let me introduce you to my good friend F.E.A.R Kangaskhan. You breed it to have the moves endeavor and sucker punch at level one, along with the ability scrappy so endeavor can hit ghost types. You then equip it with a focus sash,put it in the lead position in your party and get into battle (With it still at lv. 1 here). In the battle you start by using endeavor, you opponent should use a damaging attack, if they don't keep using endeavor until they do. Once they do two things will happen. 1 The focus sash will save your Pokemon with only 1 hp left. 2 endeavor will activate dropping your enemy's HP to the same as yours (1). The next turn you use sucker punch which lets your Kangaskhan move first. All attacks that hit must do at least 1 hp damage so the enemy poke loses its last HP point. Result: 1 dead lv 100 Pokemon killed by a lv 1 Kangaskan.
Wofiel said:
For the single player, thats fairly true. However for that to apply for the metagame the following would need to be true
You can only use one party member at a time. Each party memeber can only use 4 attacks out of a choice of 50/60. That move pool is unique to each character and is chosen from a total of several hundred different moves. Oh and there are over 400 characters to chose from
If you switch to another party member it uses up a turn and the enemy gets to complete their turn with out you being able to do anything.
Each party member is weak to certain elements and you need to set up your other 5 characters to compensate for this. At the same time you need to be setting your party up to hit your opponents weak spots.
Instead of 6 elements you need to cover, there are 17.
Each party member can have 1 item to use, and their stuck with it through out the fight. It can only effect them and these are the only items that can be used. Furthermore a good chunk of items don't work in battle. There are several hundred of these as well.
You need to deal with assignable stats as well as the base stats further adding further possibilities to change up your party.
Even discounting the entirely useless combinations there are at least tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of possibilities you have to chose from and attempt to counter.
Randomly during the game, setups you've created become useless, the enemy's tactics change and your back at square one figuring out how to adapt.
Oh and instead of a AI that a small child could outwit, you're dealing with real people who are all trying to do the exact same thing to you.
Shall I go on?
Me. Regularly. Once you've got your first couple Pokemon there it only takes a day or so to grind a team up to lv 100. Significantly less if you've got a lucky egg (Increases exp) and want to go through the trouble of trading between games to the the exp bonus.FROGGEman2 said:
RPG genres are normally types of Strategy game. Strategy and Action are like the two top level genres.
Slow down there cowboy!Souplex said:
I had plenty of fun playing pokemon in my early youth.
Which probably supports your theory that thinking isn't involved... but it was still fun!
couldn't you also use this same logic to argue that Final fantasy is a strategy game? Or that RPGs as a whole don't exist? in other words, no.
even if that's true, it's still a strategy game if all the outcomes are determined by decisions you make... and it is an RPG obviously, a strategy-based RPG even if the strategy element is weak, its definetly not action-basedtellmeimaninja said:
