Poll: Prostitution

[Jumplion]

For some reason, after reading through this thread, I'm imagining the whole prostitution stuff as a whole business complete with entrepenuers and "services". I even have a whole senario thought up, but for the life of me I don't want to risk getting banned...

I really don't know how to feel on this issue really.

 

[mike1921]

To think making prostitution legal would stop human traffic is simply insane.

It would slow it.

Yes they arn't allways slaves, but who the hell wants to live a life where each job could kill you and you're considerd the bottom of life.

Quite a few people I'd imagine.

Yeah thats a job people pick and enjoy, and geting beaten by your "owner" or "pimp" more than once a week is fun fun fun!

If it were legal that just wouldn't happen.

The issue the OP brought up is about trafficked women and men geting arrested for hiring them. Good, if there are fewer men using those poor people then hopefully there will be less, supply.

How about putting the pimps in jail? They're the real users.

I guess if its regulated and nobodys getting hurt, it's still a little messed up but not as much.

That's what we're argueing about.

 

[curlycrouton]

Oh, well yeah that does make sense, you just made it sound like it would be the customer's fault.

Apologies if it did.

Wait, what's going on here? Why is rape suddenly not rape just because the perpetrator leaves some cash behind?

Because one would not pay, if one can get it for free, would one?

 

[Manbro]

If it was a regulated industry with proper licensing, taxes and STD checks on a regular basis, then I have no problem with it being made legal. There should be no coercion or human trafficking allowed though.

 

[Wyatt]

I think that the normal person today believes that sex is something special that is shared between two individuals. So if everyone believed that sex is merely a method of exchange, then we are fargone even to today's beliefs about sex.

sorry too butt in but id just like to point out that the poll here is a 70/30 split. would you say that the 70% that seems to be ok with it are all not 'normal'?

kinda brings to my mind the old saw about everyone else being crazy and your the only sane one doesnt it? its hard to call the minority the 'normal' by wich you can then judge the majority especialy with this large a split.

 

[Typhusoid]

I heard that Jackie Smith (U.K politician) has passed a legislation stating that if a prostitute has been coerced into it then their client is guilty. To me this just doesn't make sense I was wondering about your views.

Why doesn't it make sense? If they are coerced into sex with someone else, i.e. raped, then yes, the male is most certainly guilty.

Sorry I forgot to include that the legislation states that the male is guilty even if he doesn't know about the coercian

 

[Serious_Stalin]

It should be legal, but there would have to be an effective policy on who could work as a prostitute to ensure illegally trafficked immigrants don't end up selling their bodies for some dick for the rest of their lives.

 

[Sixties Spidey]

The UAE had a crackdown on prostitution and human trafficking last year. Now anyone who is a prostitute or a pimp will get sent to jail, pay a fine, and get deported.

 

[Blind Punk Riot]

The Law - Whatever the circumstance, the man is the guilty party.

 

[Danglybits]

If porn is legal, then prostitution should be legal. Why is it okay to accept money for sex if there's a camera running, but if not then everyone involved goes to jail?

Because the people making porn aren't slaves.

Thats what the law would do, make the guy having sex with a slave guilty. Making it illegal to have sex for money is fine, but it will still happen. A better option is to regulate it so the goverment has more controle, thats going to need work to get right but its better than just locking everybody up.

Oh funny thing, if you're an aussie porn is illegal. Hardcore porn (sex) is banned in our states but the cops don't enforce it.

Actually there is a lot of abuse, and threats that go into pornography. If you are familiar with the late Linda Lovelace in Deep Throat she claimed that she was forced to participate in the oral sex. Now what that sounds like is out and out rape, but what she means and you can see this if you watch the film is that she was in pain and needed to stop the oral sex and they kept filming. She was very vocally denounced by the porn community. And that's only a mainstream porn film imagine the independent stuff. I know it sounds stupid to keep doing something that is hurting you and you could walk away but the same thing happens in abusive relationships, for whatever reason, people feel like they have to stay.

The good thing about legal prostitution btw is that when regulated we could help protect people, prostitutes can't get help for anything because what they're doing is illegal no matter what horrible atrocities are committed against them. They are the most common victims of violent crimes partly because of that, the other reason is availability. If legal then they could be treated like the human beings that they are, and forced and child prostitution would be easier to combat.

People who said "no", please tell us why, my curiosity is throbbing.

 

[LostInTheCosmos]

kinda brings to my mind the old saw about everyone else being crazy and your the only sane one doesnt it? its hard to call the minority the 'normal' by wich you can then judge the majority especialy with this large a split.

I understand what you are saying. And that is why I don't believe that the majority determines what is moral - many liberals believe the same thing, which is why they are protesting the gay-marriage ban in California which was just passed by a majority.

And let's not forget that the wisest philosopher in the world was killed by a majority vote in one of the world's earliest Democracies - Socrates.

The argument works both ways - that the minority isn't always wrong. In this forum, the minority is anti-prostitution. In California, the minority is gay-rights activists.

I think that the normal person today believes that sex is something special that is shared between two individuals.

Sadly I have to disagree with that. To most sex is just something to do, just a fun way to pass the time which honestly sickens me. Also its the reason why STIs are now a major concern.

Sounds like you need to get out more and hang with people who don't believe sex is just "something to do."

 

[LostInTheCosmos]

The good thing about legal prostitution btw is that when regulated we could help protect people, prostitutes can't get help for anything because what they're doing is illegal no matter what horrible atrocities are committed against them. They are the most common victims of violent crimes partly because of that, the other reason is availability. If legal then they could be treated like the human beings that they are, and forced and child prostitution would be easier to combat.

People who said "no", please tell us why, my curiosity is throbbing.

I don't believe prostitution should be legal, but I agree with you that the way it is enforced and prosecuted is kind of backwards. The pimps and solicitors should be prosecuted as well. However, how this is enforced is going to be difficult.

Unfortunately though, the argument that it lowers child prostitution is incorrect. Canada has legalized prostitution and has a thriving sex-trafficking business with minors - especially young Eastern Europeans who are shipped over for "work" and are relieved of their passports by their "handlers."

Legalizing prostitution will not make it easier to enforce anti-child prostitution laws.

Let me give an example...

Today it is getting more and more difficult to enforce anti-child pornography laws. There are a lot of women of indeterminable age who are "barely legal." How do you prove that they are truly underage without determining who is in the photograph and the date of the picture taken?

Of course, some child porn is easily determined to be illegal, but older teenagers are difficult to tell for law enforcement officers. Because some porn is legal, it is reliant upon the investigators to determine if the person in the picture is below 18 (in some countries.)

Then there are those underage teenagers who take pictures of themselves and post them up online. They are being prosecuted with the creation and distribution of child pornography. But this was truly consensual and pornography isn't illegal, so is the prosecution correct?

You can see the can of worms that is opened by allowing pornography and trying to figure out the over/under 18 line.

And this is not getting into virtual child pornography, which is completely legal. And it is increasingly getting difficult for investigators to determine what is a 3D rendering and what is real.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

I heard that Jackie Smith (U.K politician) has passed a legislation stating that if a prostitute has been coerced into it then their client is guilty. To me this just doesn't make sense I was wondering about your views.

Why doesn't it make sense? If they are coerced into sex with someone else, i.e. raped, then yes, the male is most certainly guilty.

Yes. Rape of course, should be illegal. But tacking prostitution onto rape laws is totally wrong IMO.

 

[Ago Iterum]

I heard that Jackie Smith (U.K politician) has passed a legislation stating that if a prostitute has been coerced into it then their client is guilty. To me this just doesn't make sense I was wondering about your views.

Why doesn't it make sense? If they are coerced into sex with someone else, i.e. raped, then yes, the male is most certainly guilty.

Coerced and raped are substancially different words.


MY view is, if the girls are healthy, and in a safe environment, go for it.

The clients want it, and the prostitutes want the money, make both parties happy.

 

[Molikroth]

I heard that Jackie Smith (U.K politician) has passed a legislation stating that if a prostitute has been coerced into it then their client is guilty. To me this just doesn't make sense I was wondering about your views.

Why doesn't it make sense? If they are coerced into sex with someone else, i.e. raped, then yes, the male is most certainly guilty.

Coerced and raped are substancially different words.


MY view is, if the girls are healthy, and in a safe environment, go for it.

The clients want it, and the prostitutes want the money, make both parties happy.

Also, I note Curly assumes all prostitute clients are male.

 

[Wyatt]

kinda brings to my mind the old saw about everyone else being crazy and your the only sane one doesnt it? its hard to call the minority the 'normal' by wich you can then judge the majority especialy with this large a split.

I understand what you are saying. And that is why I don't believe that the majority determines what is moral - many liberals believe the same thing, which is why they are protesting the gay-marriage ban in California which was just passed by a majority.

And let's not forget that the wisest philosopher in the world was killed by a majority vote in one of the world's earliest Democracies - Socrates.

The argument works both ways - that the minority isn't always wrong. In this forum, the minority is anti-prostitution. In California, the minority is gay-rights activists.

but laws arent made based on morality they are made based on majority vote (in democracys anyhow) and your statment was that most 'normal' people ........ i again ask you, are you saying that 70 some percent of the people responding to this thread arent normal?

 

[Doug]

The way I figure it prostitution is only a social evil if the women are put in danger. Legalise and regulate it and you'll stop many women from being abused.

Human trafficking and coercion into prostitution should be very illegal but if a woman (or man) freely chooses to sell their own time then who the fuck are we to say no? Is it any less honourable than cleaning someone's toilet?

Agreed! Should be legal, like in Holland and some USA states.

 

[mike1921]

Of course, some child porn is easily determined to be illegal, but older teenagers are difficult to tell for law enforcement officers. Because some porn is legal, it is reliant upon the investigators to determine if the person in the picture is below 18 (in some countries.)

Ok, while we all agree child porn should be illegal, should your main concern be 16 and 17 year olds?

 

[LostInTheCosmos]

but laws arent made based on morality they are made based on majority vote (in democracys anyhow) and your statment was that most 'normal' people ........ i again ask you, are you saying that 70 some percent of the people responding to this thread arent normal?

I'd say that 70% of respondents to the poll are very well indoctrinated. But also consider the demographics that are answering this poll. They are usually young male gamers. How many are married? How many have children?

Here is something to consider... Would you feel comfortable if your mother fed your family as a prostitute (a viable career path)?