It should totally be legal. You can spend money on what you want. The reason it's illegal is because of STDs and such. But to be honest, I paid my mate to make me a sandwich. He MIGHT have put drugs in it, for all I know. That's not illegal.
Poll: Prostitution
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I don't think it's healthy for anyone to see their body as a product since it might just screw badly with your self esteem in the long run so...... No.
Well porn is legal because videos or photos of people having sex is now a product not a service
but yes prositution should be legal then I might actually get some without worry about being busted by some undercover cop
but yes prositution should be legal then I might actually get some without worry about being busted by some undercover cop
I'm all for it, as there would be regulation and protection for the prostitutes, male and female, ( so many seem to forget men are involved too, not just as pimps but actively selling their bodies ) the country would benefit as they'd be taxed, sexual disease would be lowered as people would be checked regular and they could make it illegal to perform certain sex acts without a rubber.
That would be one of the more important parts I'd like to see (needs to be rephrased I think!) as I'm sure some are made to have sex with no protection and end up dying or with a lifelong disease because of it, and also spreading it to others. I personally always use condoms because I consider babies a disease that would outlive me, but that's a separate debate.
Also the porn issue makes it laughable, as they say, how come prostitution is legal if there's a camera, and as there are 5 million CCTV cameras in the UK to 60 million people, I'd consider using that as my defence I think 'But your honour, I MUST have been filmed by a camera somewhere!'.
Also, I don't remember who said it, but how can it be illegal to charge for something you can give away for free legally. This isn't meant to spark a separate topic, but there's women out there who will only date rich men who will buy them lots of things, and want jewellery and gifts every time, when does it move from dating to prostitution?
A famous UK 'Madame' got prosecuted for accepting Luncheon Vouchers, a kind of gift cert for restaurants given to businessmen as a tax dodge, she wasn't taking cash and got done.
Also a lot of men have some fantasies they dont want to or cant talk about to a partner, and if a visit to a prostitute gets it out of their system, that has to be a good thing. I'm not saying cheating is good, but maybe a one off might save a marriage in decline.
Many seem to deal in helping men with cross dressing , or the adult baby stuff or bondage etc, stuff they have a 'need' for that they can't fill by just plying a girl with bacardi breezers in a club.
In short , some men are a bit strange, some women help them vent those feelings, said women shouldn't be getting in trouble for it.
Also, some people just get unlucky and are just plain unacttractive, or socially hopeless, or just not a person anyone wants to know, maybe a prostitute is the only way they can experience some human contact, either by sex, or some are known to go and just lay with a prostitute for an hour, a need to feel some humanity, I guess, I can understand that.
That would be one of the more important parts I'd like to see (needs to be rephrased I think!) as I'm sure some are made to have sex with no protection and end up dying or with a lifelong disease because of it, and also spreading it to others. I personally always use condoms because I consider babies a disease that would outlive me, but that's a separate debate.
Also the porn issue makes it laughable, as they say, how come prostitution is legal if there's a camera, and as there are 5 million CCTV cameras in the UK to 60 million people, I'd consider using that as my defence I think 'But your honour, I MUST have been filmed by a camera somewhere!'.
Also, I don't remember who said it, but how can it be illegal to charge for something you can give away for free legally. This isn't meant to spark a separate topic, but there's women out there who will only date rich men who will buy them lots of things, and want jewellery and gifts every time, when does it move from dating to prostitution?
A famous UK 'Madame' got prosecuted for accepting Luncheon Vouchers, a kind of gift cert for restaurants given to businessmen as a tax dodge, she wasn't taking cash and got done.
Also a lot of men have some fantasies they dont want to or cant talk about to a partner, and if a visit to a prostitute gets it out of their system, that has to be a good thing. I'm not saying cheating is good, but maybe a one off might save a marriage in decline.
Many seem to deal in helping men with cross dressing , or the adult baby stuff or bondage etc, stuff they have a 'need' for that they can't fill by just plying a girl with bacardi breezers in a club.
In short , some men are a bit strange, some women help them vent those feelings, said women shouldn't be getting in trouble for it.
Also, some people just get unlucky and are just plain unacttractive, or socially hopeless, or just not a person anyone wants to know, maybe a prostitute is the only way they can experience some human contact, either by sex, or some are known to go and just lay with a prostitute for an hour, a need to feel some humanity, I guess, I can understand that.
Also, even after writing what I have, I agree with this one, to me true sexual pleasure comes from having an emotional link to your partner. I'm sure pointless meaningless sex with someone you don't really know can be great, but I'm just not emotionally 'right' for that kind of thing, and its kinda nice to hear I'm not the only one on the planet hitting the clubs every night trying to find something vaguely human to stick my parts in.avykins said:
Now *that* is bedroom invasion of privacy. Can't wait for the cops to bust in and do a rubber check. Requiring condoms for prostitution and regulating it would be impossible. Especially if the prostitute agrees to go bareback for a certain price.SenseOfTumour said:
Plus, it wouldn't lower disease. It'll heighten awareness, but how many people do you know who have an STD (like herpes) has sworn off sex?
And again, HIV is undetectable within the first 6-9 months of the initial infection.
You hit on the important point that so long as porn is legal, the slippery slope is why is prostitution illegal? The more porn becomes the norm for society the less they are inclined to think that prostitution is wrong as well. It is hypocrisy to allow pornography and yet disallow prostitution - the only difference being whether or not the camera is on.SenseOfTumour said:
Which also hits another nail on the head about how certain people treat sex and dating. How many dates before I get oral sex? How many for anal? How many dinners and movies?SenseOfTumour said:
Sex is reduced to a medium of exchange in the current dating culture, which again contributes to why fewer and fewer people are against prostitution. It's just a matter of indoctrination and time.
The rate of marriages surviving an affair are really really slim. The inability to express fantasies to a partner is not a problem of needing prostitution, but a communication and trust issue within the relationship.SenseOfTumour said:
But will a prostitute make that person feel better? You are paying someone to pay attention to you. That's still artificial and fake attention. It won't relieve a person's sense of loneliness, but it will only heighten it.SenseOfTumour said:
my mother doesnt feed my family i do, what my 62 year old mother chooses to do in her sex life is her business (no pun intended)LostInTheCosmos said:
ill not take a cop out easy answer like that though it be true. ill say that if my mother chose to sell sex for money and she enjoyed it more power to her. or my sister, or my daughter (yes i have both)
sex isnt a crime nor is it something to be ashamed of nore is it some kind of magical 'thing' that we should somehow worship as sacred. sex between married couples can be very special but its not the SEX that makes it so its the love. sex is just humping grunting and a few seconds of OHH WOW followed by a smoke and a nap. dont confuse one with the other.
ohh yeah are you gunna answer my question in a way that means something or just duck it again? would you or would you not say that the 70% that support sex for money are not normal people?
Or your wife?Wyatt said:
Especially if you believe the following to be true?
And to answer your question - I believe that the 70% are not normal. A majority opinion does not make something moral.Wyatt said:
If anyone here agrees that prostitution should be legal, then that same person cannot say that their significant other cannot have sex with other people for money.
If one believes sex is not special then that same person has no right to demand monogamy.
The potential for suffering for the prostitutes, most of whom would presumably have preferred a different career, is too great. Just because sex was a commodity for most of history doesn't mean we must be so base.
A friend of mine since childhood works in a legal brothel, and makes over 150k$ per year, for what she calls "laying on her back for a few hours a day". If I honestly thought I had any kind of chance at that sort of yearly income, I'd be damn happy and proud of my occupation.
did you not read my last post? the bit where i say "sex between married couples can be very special but its not the SEX that makes it so its the love"LostInTheCosmos said:
im saying to you not to confuse sex with love. selling sex for money is just business. if my wife (im not married btw) decided to start screwing for cash she wouldnt be my wife for long. not because of the sex but because of the obvious lack of love. ive been in a few relationships and never once have i cheated on a woman i actualy loved, not because its 'against the rules' to cheat but because i didnt WANT to have sex with another person. if my wife didnt feel that same way than we have bigger problems than her having sex for money.
my making the point that selling sex for money isnt a one size fits all thing, its not like im demanding that either we outlaw prostitution or every person on the planet should join a fuck union and start peddling their ass in the street. whoring isnt my cup of tea, id neither want to BE one nor would i want to use one but its MY choice along with the whore is it not should i ever change my mind?
my biggest issue here isnt even about sex or money its about people sticking their noses into other peoples bedrooms. go have sex with your loving devoted monogamist wife , you have my blessing and well wishes to enjoy, but leave others who dont choose to accept your 'morals' to make their own choices.
I've had a few tonight, but this post almost brought me to tears, and I mean that.Jaythulhu said:
My apologies for the assumption.Wyatt said:
Isn't there a bit of cognitive dissonance here? Because of the "obvious lack of love"? What's obvious about a lack of love with her sleeping with another man for money?
Can a person say "I love you" and have sex with someone else?
In your statement you are saying that if you love someone you wouldn't want to have sex with someone else. I agree. Hence why this sounds like cognitive dissonance.
The problem with this is how closely prostitution also attracts crimes, drugs, and sexual offenders. No one wants to have a brothel down their neighborhood street or near their kids' schools and playgrounds. Why is that?Wyatt said:
If prostitution didn't affect communities, then even where prostitution is legal, why are there zoning laws?
If prostitution was merely about how it affects people in private, that is one thing. But it affects neighborhoods, destroys marriages and families, and influences children on what society deems a "viable career path."
there is no cognitive dissonance issue here for me, the love makes the sex special not the other way around. if my wife loves me than we have something special including our sex. my wife could have sex with another man and have it mean nothing she could in fact sell her ass for cash and have it mean no more to her or him than selling a used lawn mower. but a woman would could love me and i her wouldnt CHOOSE to do that.LostInTheCosmos said:
im not attracted to the kind of woman who could be a whore and wouldnt be with one. not because i have a problem with her being a whore but for basicaly the same reason i dont want a wife that sells magazine subscriptions or collects ceramic kittens or things that a death star could beat a Borg Cube. in other words its a basic lack of a connection for me.
ahh the old "well prostitution might be ok but its a 'gate way drug'" argument. i dont buy it. there are allways places in any community where 'bad things' go on. why by your point of view the net itself should be shut down because its infested with porn. porn = bad and Lord knows that the net = porn so your logic says that net = bad right? trouble is that the net is like life all things exists and you go where they are to get what you want. why the same net that brings me porn ALSO brings me Billy Graham how can this possably BE?
you seem to be arguing this from the point of view that all hookers live in slums , are infested with diseases and drug habbits and a whore is somehow a magnet that will attract more of the same. i say what comes first the chicken or the egg? isnt it just possable that the slums and the drugs would still be there with or without the whores? and isnt it possable that a whore could make her living in a decient house with a nice lawn and flower pots under the windows? is it possable a whore could be a good neighbor? or even work in a 'real job' along with 'normal' people during the day? it is also possable that shes using sex for money to fund her education or to take care of a child? you seem to be have certian troubles with sterotypes.
the zoning laws thing ...... well now its not like most communities dont have zoning laws for everything up too and including how many nuts you can feed the local squirls. i dont want a red light next to a school for the same reason i dont want a nuclear power plant there or a chemical factory. each thing to its place. truth is if the brothel was low key i could care less if it was by my kids school or not, im much more worried about the Gym teacher porking the 14 year old girls after soccer practice than i am about what a hooker in a whole nother building is doing in her bedroom.
ill take these last in a row its easier.
"But it affects neighborhoods" yeah it can give you something Hot too look at while your crusing the slums looking for your dealer. an improvment id say
"destroys marriages and families" so does money should we do away with cash because it destroy marriages? more people split every year because of moeny troubles than because one or another spoce got cought paying for sex wouldnt you agree?
"and influences children on what society deems a "viable career path." i dont know about you but i dont expect society to teach my children values, thats what IM for. its called being a parent and im sure you know this quite well. when my child becomes a part of 'society' he/she will allready have been tought MY values. and frankly i dont give a flying hoot what 'societys values' are. and neither do you for that matter since our little 'society' here thinks prostitution is ok by a 70/30 margin. 'society' is a myth. kids get their values from their parents if they ARENT than what they grow up thinking about prostitution is the LEAST of their worries.
If prostitution were to be legal, it'd have to take place in a hub (e.g. a brothel). Street prostitution would be hard as hell to regulate, with all the necessary paperwork that would be required, and therefore should remain illegal. As such, call girls that perform hardcore sex should be illegal, too, unless they associate themselves with a company that could provide the previously-mentioned paperwork.
I should probably reply to some of these points, when I said make using rubbers law, I mean if we get to the point of legalised brothels, then legalised registered prostitutes should have to use condoms with each client or lose their licence and be arrested.LostInTheCosmos said:
as for the last point, if you have a lot of cash, some types of people will pay you more attention, in the hopes of getting something out of it, sure it's not morally right, but it happens.
I think we have to agree on a basic biological fact that men are predisposed to want a lot of sex with a lot of different partners, we don't have to do it, but it's built into our psyche, and sometimes there's women who can disassociate sex from love and emotion too, if they can do it, they're providing a service to men, I just hope it gets legalised so it can be a safer service for both sides.
Let's not forget the hookers are not the only victim, clients get beaten, robbed, blackmailed etc, too.