Poll: Prostitution

[bjj hero]

Oh, I see. Well then I guess it's ok to say "Because the significant majority of black people like chicken" because I'm not saying it about a particular person?

I thought everyone liked chicken? Even vegetarians like chicken, its just bullshit posturing.

 

[cicaba]

You think morals are universal? How?

Was this a joke? It didn't sound like it.

I am 100% sure there is universal moral law. People interpret differently to suit their purposes, ultimately perverting the whole thing.

There's been a whole big ethical research and whatnot done over the years, and the philosophers have come to the conclusion that it does indeed exist, though no one can agree on what it is exactly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant - The only name I remember from the study I did on this a while back.

Cool, if this is like the automatic morals we have in us when we're born, I guess I agree.

 

[Agayek]

It's hard not to offend EVERYONE but mostly it can be avoided by not being a douche bag. ;
Everyone just needs to learn tolerance.
Besides, don't people normally go by the standards of political correctness? Like how to say someone is mentally retarded, black, disabled, a whore/prostitute, or a dwarf. You can't make fun of them because it's not nice and not politically correct.

Being tolerant means tolerating intolerance.

On that note, fuck political correctness. Worst idea anyone has ever had. Treating someone as different, simply because they're different, leads to nothing but annoyance, confusion, and possibly pain.

 

[Maze1125]

So no, being a prostitute shouldn't be illegal.
On the other hand, visiting a prostitute, or being a pimp, should be.

Why? They have a service they want to sell, why make it illegal when no one involved is unwilling?

Because the significant majority of woman who are prostitutes, even of their own choice, don't want to be and only do it because they feel they aren't worthy of doing anything else.

Pretty much any time a man visits a prostitute he is exploiting a psychologically vulnerable person. There are of course exceptions, but not enough to validate legalising it.

This is called 'stereotyping' boys and girls.

As a friend of a famous prostitute/porn star who went to college and majored in marine biology, I can say this is bunk.

No, it's called statistics.
It would be stereotyping if I went up to a particular prostitute and insisted she didn't like what she was doing and was only doing it because she felt she had to.

Oh, I see. Well then I guess it's ok to say "Because the significant majority of black people like chicken" because I'm not saying it about a particular person?

Not necessarily.

Have studies shown that the majority of black people like chicken?

You say "Because". What is it that the claim justifies? "We should kill all black people because the significant majority of black people like chicken" certainly wouldn't be justified. On the other hand, for a supermarket in an area where a lot of black people live the statement "We should increase our stocks of chicken because the significant majority of black people like chicken" would be justified. Assuming, of course, the claim was true.

 

[Cliff_m85]

Well from someone who knows a prostitute, and a prostitute who knows many prostitutes, I can say that those in the Bunny Ranch haven't joined just because 'they feel like they can't do anything else'.

 

[Voicuboyy]

i think it should be legalized and the hookers should have to be willing to be hookers not drugged into it or other stuff, instead of pimps there should be companies.. there would be more police force to concentrate on the real crime

 

[cicaba]

Let's say, in this case, she isn't a prostitute but she dresses like one. It would offend her greatly if someone stopped their car, waved money at her, and asked her to get in. I bet she'd sue or something.

People should go out of their way to not offend other people, regardless of how easily offended they are? Isn't it somewhat to do with the person taking offence? This sounds too much like political correctness logic to me.

It's hard not to offend EVERYONE but mostly it can be avoided by not being a douche bag. ;
Everyone just needs to learn tolerance.
Besides, don't people normally go by the standards of political correctness? Like how to say someone is mentally retarded, black, disabled, a whore/prostitute, or a dwarf. You can't make fun of them because it's not nice and not politically correct.

Yeah I completely agree, and I'd rather there was a shun on being a douche bag than saying the word "black", but that's really hard to like moderate if you see what I mean?
Going back to the prossie thing, the dude wasn't meaning to offend the woman, asking if she was a prossie? I agree she'd probably be a bit upset though, but for some reason I kinda think it's her fault for taking offence (I think I might be an asshole)

I just like freedom of speech I guess

 

[Cliff_m85]

So no, being a prostitute shouldn't be illegal.
On the other hand, visiting a prostitute, or being a pimp, should be.

Why? They have a service they want to sell, why make it illegal when no one involved is unwilling?

Because the significant majority of woman who are prostitutes, even of their own choice, don't want to be and only do it because they feel they aren't worthy of doing anything else.

Pretty much any time a man visits a prostitute he is exploiting a psychologically vulnerable person. There are of course exceptions, but not enough to validate legalising it.

This is called 'stereotyping' boys and girls.

As a friend of a famous prostitute/porn star who went to college and majored in marine biology, I can say this is bunk.

No, it's called statistics.
It would be stereotyping if I went up to a particular prostitute and insisted she didn't like what she was doing and was only doing it because she felt she had to.

Oh, I see. Well then I guess it's ok to say "Because the significant majority of black people like chicken" because I'm not saying it about a particular person?

Not necessarily.

Have studies shown that the majority of black people like chicken?

You say "Because". What is it that the claim justifies? "We should kill all black people because the significant majority of black people like chicken" certainly wouldn't be justified. On the other hand, for a supermarket in an area where a lot of black people live the statement "We should increase our stocks of chicken because the significant majority of black people like chicken" would be justified. Assuming, of course, the claim was true.

I have studies by a group called Triple K. Now may we talk about biased studies?

 

[ElephantGuts]

I think that prostitution should be legalized only in licensed brothels. That way people can still pay for sex, but they don't have to do it in some shady place or on the streets, so we avoid all the crime and negative aspects that seem to go along with prostitution.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

Let's say, in this case, she isn't a prostitute but she dresses like one. It would offend her greatly if someone stopped their car, waved money at her, and asked her to get in. I bet she'd sue or something.

People should go out of their way to not offend other people, regardless of how easily offended they are? Isn't it somewhat to do with the person taking offence? This sounds too much like political correctness logic to me.

It's hard not to offend EVERYONE but mostly it can be avoided by not being a douche bag. ;
Everyone just needs to learn tolerance.
Besides, don't people normally go by the standards of political correctness? Like how to say someone is mentally retarded, black, disabled, a whore/prostitute, or a dwarf. You can't make fun of them because it's not nice and not politically correct.

Yeah I completely agree, and I'd rather there was a shun on being a douche bag than saying the word "black", but that's really hard to like moderate if you see what I mean?
Going back to the prossie thing, the dude wasn't meaning to offend the woman, asking if she was a prossie? I agree she'd probably be a bit upset though, but for some reason I kinda think it's her fault for taking offence (I think I might be an asshole)

I just like freedom of speech I guess

Technically, wasn't the stereotype fried chicken?

 

[DigitalSushi]

its thinking about issues such as this that make me realise how worthless we are as a species.

Its unfortunate it happens, but it does, the girls who do it to keep up their habbit because of a dude wanting money off them makes me sad.

I've never been in that business, so I don't know what its like for the girls, so my opinion is invalid due to being based on right wing media.

Funny that, right wing media screaming about "one" mans power.

 

[Agayek]

Technically, wasn't the stereotype fried chicken?

And watermelon. We mustn't forget the watermelon.

 

[Zorg Machine]

puts a stop on sexually transmitted diseases and.........well we can get laid more easily so...yeah.

 

[T-Blade]

Do not legalise it, They are too expensive, Come to the UK most of the girls here are free hookers.

 

[cicaba]

Being tolerant means tolerating intolerance.

On that note, fuck political correctness. Worst idea anyone has ever had. Treating someone as different, simply because they're different, leads to nothing but annoyance, confusion, and possibly pain.

Yay! Glad someone else hates political correctness. That and prejudice are both stupid in my eyes.

 

[Therumancer]

I say "No" and feel those who support it do not see the big picture. The issue as I see it is not prostitution itself, but all of the things that go along with it. Not disease or any of that (which could be reduced by legalization) but the various social problems.

For example, let's start with the basics: where do the prostitutes set up shop? Like any form of adult entertainment even the majority of people who want it, do not want it where they live. This is why zoning for even things like adult video/book stores and the like is already a touchy subject. It has less to do with morality about the subject matter (despite what holy rollers might want you to think) but a lot to do with the fact that you don't want your kids to be exposed to it, or your neighborhood exposed to the elements (perverts and wierdos) that it brings.

You set up the whorehouse and it's even worse, not you've got all of these guys (and girls) coming and going fromt he place at all hours of the night. Given the nature of the services provided your going to have problems over payment/quality of services and all kinds of other crap. Unlike illegal prostitution, this stuff is going to be resolved by the police, so of course your going to have the police going back and forth there pretty regularly, and of course you need to pay for the exta police officers to keep an eye on it.

Then on top of all of this it raises a lot of issues about the rights of both the buyer and the seller in the sex trade. Right now only ONE state pretty much allows this, and their various resolutions are not nessicarly going to slide with all of the states out there (it would not have been an issue up until this moment).

Then of course there is simply the fact that if you've got sex workers around, more publically exposed to society, there are the social problems of people dealing with them outside of a work enviroment, knowing what they do. It also then becomes a viable profession and of course that sounds fine until your son or daughter grows up deciding she wants to work in the sex industry as a viable career. Some people might think they could deal with that, but honestly... until your there you shouldn't comment. If I had kids I would not be happy about it. I'd prefer not to have "my mommy is a whore" on "what does your mother do" day at school and kids growing up saying "I want to grow up to be a hooker".

Especially when legalized understand that advertising and such is going to make this kind of thing look like the most glamourous, easy, and exciting thing in the world, and you've got to raise your kids in that enviroment.

Plus honestly just imagine the fun of this being a legal business, and then private eyes and employers and such setting up outside of all the whorehouses specifically to gather information. Walk by a whorehuse, your boss can have his guy use it as an excuse to fire you due to the "Company image" if need be. Private eyes can keep files of people in general just in case someone comes asking about an individual. Allegedly this kind of thing was a problem in Nevada (not sure how, and even if, they ever resolved it). Take that kind of thing and put it on a national stage and well... you've suddenly got major societal issues that despite what you might think are not going to be resolved easily.

Right now I think the US has struck the right balance by banning Prostitution throughout the nation, with ONE major exception: Nevada, which has basically become a national red light district. Problems have been resolved within that state to keep it functional as an exception (ie not for our society to function on as a whole), and from what I've run into Nevada state law and precedent is a giant mess because of it.

The way I see things Greyhound advertises that they can get you anywhere in the continental US for $69 or less. If your really that hard up, a weekend at a cheap motel in Vegas with a hooker is probably in most people's price range.

I'd rather have people do that for legal prostitution than worry about the problems in my back yard... and honestly, if I ever saw like my Kid's Teacher or Principal or something going to a whorehouse (legal or not) I'd have issues. Especially if they were like carrying a suitcase of sex toys or something... and honestly this kind of thing is going to be like sending up the bat signal for the majority of hard up pervs to start converging on those areas.

 

[DigitalSushi]

Technically, wasn't the stereotype fried chicken?

And watermelon. We mustn't forget the watermelon.

Watermelon rock my world, and with a single comment, my heart smiles! thank you Agayek.

Also since I normally get shouted at here for my crap grammar, I'll pass it on, you shouldn't put the word "AND" with a capital letter, ever.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

Technically, wasn't the stereotype fried chicken?

And watermelon. We mustn't forget the watermelon.

Mm hm, what about Kool-aid?

 

[Lukirre]

Being a prostitute is already legal.

It's soliciting and pimping, along with bawdy houses that are illegal.