Poll: Public Execution
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no, no, no, no, no.
80% of jury decisions are correct.
execution of any kind means that for every 4 real crooks you kill, you kill one innocent.
advocation of execution is generally by people so far removed from the workings of courts that they don't even deserve an opinion of the subject.
and even if it was beyond possible doubt that they were guilty, the right to life is sacrosanct to anyone, regardless of what choice they make.
80% of jury decisions are correct.
execution of any kind means that for every 4 real crooks you kill, you kill one innocent.
advocation of execution is generally by people so far removed from the workings of courts that they don't even deserve an opinion of the subject.
and even if it was beyond possible doubt that they were guilty, the right to life is sacrosanct to anyone, regardless of what choice they make.
Ni!
Actually, they executed people a lot back then but it wasn't for a deterrent. No it was for fear. The lords and ladies of those times had final word on life and death in all incidences and would often use it to keep the population in line. It wasn't just for the worse of murders but even for talking shit about the current leader, stealing from the wrong merchant family or non-lethally defending yourself from being raped by one of the noble classes.
It was all about fear and control, not law. Making it public, even in this day and age, would just make it more about revenge and for sport. Executions would be up, just to keep ratings high, and more and more innocent people will be sentenced to death row for less and less 'heinous crimes' and more bloody ways of executions will become normal. Human nature being what it is though... yes people would watch it and cheer as a person who killed someone in self defence, but had a bad lawyer, was beheaded days after being convicted. And yes, it would become days, cause the people would demand execution TV to be on more often.
Besides, the death penalty has not been proven as a deterrent at all, though it is hard to prove if it has or hasn't been there is a curious trait of the death penalty states still having normal or above normal rates of murder. In any case making it public won't stop most criminals one bit. There are two types of murderers: Premeditated and spur of the moment. Premeditated murderers plan not to be caught and spur of the moment don't think that far ahead. Making it even more public won't change squat.
Actually, they executed people a lot back then but it wasn't for a deterrent. No it was for fear. The lords and ladies of those times had final word on life and death in all incidences and would often use it to keep the population in line. It wasn't just for the worse of murders but even for talking shit about the current leader, stealing from the wrong merchant family or non-lethally defending yourself from being raped by one of the noble classes.
It was all about fear and control, not law. Making it public, even in this day and age, would just make it more about revenge and for sport. Executions would be up, just to keep ratings high, and more and more innocent people will be sentenced to death row for less and less 'heinous crimes' and more bloody ways of executions will become normal. Human nature being what it is though... yes people would watch it and cheer as a person who killed someone in self defence, but had a bad lawyer, was beheaded days after being convicted. And yes, it would become days, cause the people would demand execution TV to be on more often.
Besides, the death penalty has not been proven as a deterrent at all, though it is hard to prove if it has or hasn't been there is a curious trait of the death penalty states still having normal or above normal rates of murder. In any case making it public won't stop most criminals one bit. There are two types of murderers: Premeditated and spur of the moment. Premeditated murderers plan not to be caught and spur of the moment don't think that far ahead. Making it even more public won't change squat.
Yes, I'll bring the kids, some sandwiches, maybe even upload the videos to YouTube, it'll be a blast.
Every single time I see that video, I just crack up. That girl is hardcore, I'd love to meet her. Have you seen the 5 foot something blonde that head-butts a 6+ foot bouncer and knocks him out cold?logiman said:
Oh no, I don't mean someone sitting in a jail cell for 20 years, then getting a clean injection, that's not what you're talking about.axia777 said:
What you're talking about is someone getting led out of a jail the day after his trial, layed down in the dirt, and shot in the back of the head in front of a baying crowd.
If you operate your justice system based on the idea that there is nothing morally wrong with executing people, and that these people need to be executed for the good of society, then this is the kind of scene and mentality that you create.
Arent 9mm Bullets about $2 a pop now, it would take alot more then .25 to excacute someone, but I know an even cheaper way.Mcface said:
"Before he was hung from the gallows high, he yelled pleas for mercy. They stopped after a quick drop. And a sudden stop." Cookie for the reference.
axia777 said:
Think about it, a murderer can kill someone for a variety of reasons. One reason might just be because they enjoy watching others suffer. If you want to watch someone suffer, no matter who they are, then are you really any better than the murderer? You're killing that man for the same reason he killed his victims.
And killing someone doesn't solve anything. The only reason I can imagine for you wanting to kill a prisoner is revenge, and we shouldn't base our justice system on revenge.
does anyone else wonder how much the governments save by using criminal workgangs...
no one seems to think of making the prisoners work to profit from them, instead they decide its better to outright kill them.
giving economic reasons is bullshit.
no one seems to think of making the prisoners work to profit from them, instead they decide its better to outright kill them.
giving economic reasons is bullshit.
Meh use a .50Supreme Unleaded said:
It costs more, like $5-$10 I believe.
But I want to see someone survive being shot by a .50 from any distance under 100 meters by a Barret.
The problem with executions is that you need to be 100% sure the person is guilty...
imprisoning an falsely-convicted innocent is orders of magnitude better than executing one, as in the former there is still the chance they could still live a life if found innocent later + freed, which is denied in the second example...
seriously grey area whatever way you look at it though, both sides have compelling arguments...
i feel the no execution + it's inherent higher costs is better overall though, due to the built-in resilience to falsely-convicted people.
imprisoning an falsely-convicted innocent is orders of magnitude better than executing one, as in the former there is still the chance they could still live a life if found innocent later + freed, which is denied in the second example...
seriously grey area whatever way you look at it though, both sides have compelling arguments...
i feel the no execution + it's inherent higher costs is better overall though, due to the built-in resilience to falsely-convicted people.
It also makes you a damned hypocrite. "An eye for an eye" doesn't really work in this day and age, in the 21st century we are supposed to be better than that.axia777 said:
Our ancestors also used to burn people for heresy and execute for theft, you think we should adopt that too? Murder for murder doesn't work. If you said lashing, I'd still disagree but I'd be more likely to agree with you than this one.
Clearly we don't have any theives or non-violent criminals in the prisons.Flying Dagger said:
Clearly only rapists and murderers get prison time.
CLEARLY the workgangs are made up of only violent offenders, like rapists and murderers.
Yeah...
I relize this, but alot of people where saying "executions yes public no" So I though adding that option so they could be heard aswellEcoEclipse said:
Yeah...now, because we have to do everything humanly, wasting thousands of dollars on making a death poison, when we could really do something like this. As stated up a couple of posts.The Infamous Scamola said:
"Before he was hung from the gallows high, he yelled pleas for mercy. They stopped after a short drop. And a sudden stop."
Quick, simple, cheap, and then the criminal is gone for good, and all it cost is about $25 for the rope.
despite excessive use of the word clearly that suggests sarcasm, i can't see your point.Lord S. Binkleheimer said:
why kill people that can give you a profit, unless of course, you really just want them dead, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the money.
Oh hooray, another flame-bait topic. Is it just me, or are these on the rise lately?
I'll spout the same little spiel I've used time and again in these debates: Killing them solves nothing. It's a medieval solution to the problem, and it's not even a particularly effective deterrent (After all, who expects to get caught for these crimes?). Let the murderers and rapists of the world rot in solitary. 25 years, the maximum sentence where I come from, is a very long time when you're deprived of all contact with the outside world. And if the prisoner doesn't die during their sentence, monitor them after they leave.
I'll spout the same little spiel I've used time and again in these debates: Killing them solves nothing. It's a medieval solution to the problem, and it's not even a particularly effective deterrent (After all, who expects to get caught for these crimes?). Let the murderers and rapists of the world rot in solitary. 25 years, the maximum sentence where I come from, is a very long time when you're deprived of all contact with the outside world. And if the prisoner doesn't die during their sentence, monitor them after they leave.
Of course you aren't. That crazy guy was all about peace and non-violence, and he atually brings up a great couner-point to your argument, so it's pretty much a given you wouldn't like him at this point.axia777 said:
Hey, don't take my word for it, Amnesty Intrnational say so, but I'm sure you don't like them neiher.axia777 said: