Poll: Realistic Avatar VS Avatar

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masterchevyman

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Okay so by now everone and their dog has seen the movie Avatar, but is it realistic as far as how a real corperation would work?
The Movie: RDA comes to mine rare ore, local inhabitans get upset and kick vastly better equiped comany off planet.
How a real company would work: Arive, bombard planet from orbit with high yield explosives, strip mine planet, go home, watch profits grow.
anyone else have any thoughts on this?
 

blankedboy

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I'd stop speculating about stuff that has already been resolved. Just watch the movie, what happens happens.
 

SomeLameStuff

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While orbital bombardment could work in getting the natives off the planet (in a billion pieces but whatever), there's a chance that they might blast the ore and stuff up by mistake.


EDIT: Wow my six hundred and sixty sixth post is totally insignificant.
 

Kaltazraza

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Orbital bombardment. It would be like: "Hey there's some blue dudes there", other person answer: "FIRE FIRE FIRE FIRE FIRE FIRE", and then BOOOOOM fucking no blue dudes there, and they save a lot of money they otherwise would have wasted digging.
 

King of the Sandbox

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I'd use the source material (Dances with Wolves in space) as inspiration and give them all blankets with smallpox. Or maybe some shiny beads for their tree.

I kid, I kid. I was picking on the plot of the movie more than native Americans. Relax.
 

Arcticflame

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Marq said:
I haven't seen it. That was one of the reasons why. Taking a colonisation approach when all they were doing was mining? Weak plot is weak.

Orbital Bombardment sounds good. I'd go with that. Oil is thicker than blood. Or "unobtainium". Whatever.
They didn't colonise. It's obvious you don't quite know the plot. :p

They wanted to kill the natives off because they were living on top of a huge reserve of ore, nothing to do with colonising. They lived on the planet because it was so far away from home. (I believe it took 4 years to get there?).
 

UmbralRaptor

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1) Search for more unobtanium nearby. What's a few hundred km*, when I'm shipping this stuff across light years? Ideally, this would actually be from asteroids and/or comets in the system, but any lifeless rock that isn't in an excessively deep gravity well will do. That said, this stuff has to be _really_ useful to be worth moving across light years. Especially given that there was no FTL in the movie.

2) Negotiations. I wonder if they would accept our stories (The Iliad, Gilgamesh, Dune, The Stand, etc.) as a form of payment? Alternatively, how about medicine (vaccines and antibiotics)?**

3) I resign and let someone who can look themselves in the mirror afterwords bomb them from orbit. With appropriate targeting and yields, this can excavate the unobtanium fields, making mining easier. Remember: slower than light interstellar travel, while somewhat expensive in this setting, is very doable. This amount of orbital bombardment will be rather cheap, so my successor may get a bonus. o_O


*That the Na'avi were on the best source of unobtanium within a few hundred km was one of the justifications for dealing with them. o_O

**There is a very real possibility that the Na'avi are a group of some alien radical greens that founded a colony on Pandora and went native. This may complicate things.

edit: Arcticflame: AFAIK, they were at Alpha Centauri, so it was a 4.3 lightyear trip (and it took them 5 years).
 

Xylis

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I have spaceships, they do not. Orbital Bombardment followed up by heavy shock troops.

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The Madman

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UmbralRaptor said:
1) Search for more unobtanium nearby. What's a few hundred km*, when I'm shipping this stuff across light years? Ideally, this would actually be from asteroids and/or comets in the system, but any lifeless rock that isn't in an excessively deep gravity well will do. That said, this stuff has to be _really_ useful to be worth moving across light years. Especially given that there was no FTL in the movie.

2) Negotiations. I wonder if they would accept our stories (The Iliad, Gilgamesh, Dune, The Stand, etc.) as a form of payment? Alternatively, how about medicine (vaccines and antibiotics)?**

3) I resign and let someone who can look themselves in the mirror afterwords bomb them from orbit. With appropriate targeting and yields, this can excavate the unobtanium fields, making mining easier. Remember: slower than light interstellar travel, while somewhat expensive in this setting, is very doable. This amount of orbital bombardment will be rather cheap, so my successor may get a bonus. o_O
It's pointed out in the movie that options 1 and 2 were both tried. At one point a character even makes mention of the humans trying to trade and negotiate with medicines and the like, but that the blue folk felt they had no use for them. Meanwhile the largest and most accessible source of the ore they were after was directly beneath that giganto tree. They'd looked elsewhere, but that was the best they could find.

As for #3, I suspect that'll be the premise of the inevitable 'Avatar 2'. Blue dudes managed to beat up a small mercenary army, whoopdeedo! Now the corporations are pissed and plan to send in a 'real' army, perhaps even getting aid from various governments if that mineral is really so valuable.

I look forward to seeing that planet nuked into a pile of black radioactive ash in glorious full 3D!
 

Doitpow

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Knowledge of the lay of the land always trumps superior firepower. Vietnam, and afghanistan show that.
Also they note that killing the natives is very bad for profits.
 

Darth Caelum

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Well, if i were the CEO, i would ignore the Bad Press that would come from Committing a Genocide on an Entire Planet and Wipe it of the Face of the Galaxy. Since Napalm won't do it, Orbital Bombardment will. Though i may sense something along the lines of "Other Aliens hear about this and kick our asses for it" though.
 

hazabaza1

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I think I'll let the Demoman handle this one. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iipk8u3uhf4]
 

De Ronneman

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No matter how cool Orbital Bombardment may sound, going in yourself, see how thick the people are, then opress them accordingly seems the most logical thing to do.


Also, the vote for Demoman has been seconded.
hazabaza1 said:
I think I'll let the Demoman handle this one. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iipk8u3uhf4]
 

gragimor

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Doitpow said:
Knowledge of the lay of the land always trumps superior firepower. Vietnam, and afghanistan show that.
Even with the home ground advantage, the amount of casualties substained in fighting against an enemy with superior firepower is enormous, how many fanatics does it take to bring down a helicopter? Way more than the 2 pilots.