Poll: School District about to Get Sued
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Psst, it's a public school, it's illegal for the school to set it up.HT_Black said:
You are aware of Separation of Church and State right?jigaboon said:
I support the kid. Apparently the entire community hates him, and he got kicked out by his parents. Now the only person who he has to turn to is his brother. Lucky for him though, theres ton's of people like donating money to him and shit. Theres a whole facebook page and everything.
Prayers should not be mandatory: that violates both the point of the action in the first place and the free will of he or she who is made to do it.
Conversely, prayers should not be disallowed. I would never stop someone praying, because it's a deeply personal thing for them and I can respect that.
Come on, people, I thought we'd already learnt how to accept and appreciate each other's differences. They teach that shit at age three.
Conversely, prayers should not be disallowed. I would never stop someone praying, because it's a deeply personal thing for them and I can respect that.
Come on, people, I thought we'd already learnt how to accept and appreciate each other's differences. They teach that shit at age three.
Praying in school is perfectly ok with me, when it's done by the individual, and never ever as a school activity.
And the lawsuit is perfectly placed to stop this bible bashing bullshit.
And the lawsuit is perfectly placed to stop this bible bashing bullshit.
i don't find it that big of a deal, sure it's a public school so i can understand that, but if i was in a country where say it was predominately the Islamic religion, then I wouldn't mind/be more than accommodating to learn/deal with the prayer, i mean hell it takes not even a fraction out of your day for it, big deal.
Who's rights are being undermined?
The prayers being forbidden from praying?
or
The non-prayers who just don't want to hear it?
The prayers being forbidden from praying?
or
The non-prayers who just don't want to hear it?
The laws of the US say they can't do that shit. It may be a dick move to ruin everyone's fun, but, when it's your damn Constitutional rights being stomped on, you be a dick about it. Sacrificing your rights to be a nice guy or for social harmony is fucking stupid.
You two are both correct. that kid is a grade A douche, and lol at "friendly atheist" site all the comments were about donating to the kid to help his cause of undermining religions, but i mean since there all "friendly" i guess they were doing it out of kindness.jigaboon said:
You don't have a constitutional right to be free from Religion any more then you have a constitutional right to not be offended by anything.Lone Skankster said:
If the school was forcing people to pray that would be a problem, if the school was endorsing and leading prayer (which it probably is) then it's a problem as well. Should the school simply be offering a moment of silence for people to pray then it's not a problem at all.
I am basically atheist, but when I sit at the table with my surrogate family each thanksgiving I bow my head and stay silent while they pray.
Hmmm, I can see both sides of the argument here. In the video shown the girl is clearly leading a prayer, but she's a student ASKED to talk. At what point does right to believe bevome right to inhibit other's beliefs? At the end of the day, the majority of students at least give lip service to god at that school and while it would be wrong of the school to make a prayer mandatory, can't the students just do what THEY want to do?
I was brought up a roman catholic and survived the experience with a healthy atheist belief system. These days I merely ask my family, when being involved in religious ceremonies to respect my own beliefs so I can attend such events but without feeling I need to compromise myself. My sister was very nice and even asked the priest if I could forgo the traditional vows for my niece's christening to make my own promises and he was also very respectful. Everyone GOT that I love my nieces and would do everything I could to ensure their well being and education, but I didn't have to state I would do this with god's guidance. Everyone was happy, no-one had to subjigate their beliefs. I just don't get why the argument always has to be so combative?
I was brought up a roman catholic and survived the experience with a healthy atheist belief system. These days I merely ask my family, when being involved in religious ceremonies to respect my own beliefs so I can attend such events but without feeling I need to compromise myself. My sister was very nice and even asked the priest if I could forgo the traditional vows for my niece's christening to make my own promises and he was also very respectful. Everyone GOT that I love my nieces and would do everything I could to ensure their well being and education, but I didn't have to state I would do this with god's guidance. Everyone was happy, no-one had to subjigate their beliefs. I just don't get why the argument always has to be so combative?
They're not trying to undermine religion. In fact, this school is trying to undermine the constitution.Active Schizophrenic said:
No one's saying that prayer itself is wrong. Just the fact that a public and government institution organizing a prayer for graduation is illegal (and wrong). And it is. At least in part because it contributes to an air of oppressiveness to anyone there who isn't a Christian. I don't know if you've been to the bible belt, but that air does NOT need any more contribution.
"School sponsorship of a religious message is impermissible because it (tells) members of the audience who are non-adherents that they are outsiders," wrote Justice John Paul Stevens in the majority opinion.Sober Thal said:
Three strike and your out. But hay what do Supreme Court rulings mean to you, your gonna sit here and claim the majority is right and discrimination against Athesits is ok.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa070100a.htm
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa070100a.htm#when
Man I hate being right.. who am i kidding I love being right. Because i can look up articles (Supreme Court rulings no less.) that show you to be nothing more then bigots.Active Schizophrenic said:
Did you? Really? Because the law is pretty simple. And the school was breaking the law.Sober Thal said:
Legal precedent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_v._Weisman
To quote Justice Kennedy:
What the school tried to do was illegal. The student asked that they conform to the law and when they backed down, they defamed him in the local paper, which lead to ostracism from his family.
The law is on his side.