Poll: Sexism?

[Arkhangelsk]

Being sexist by being a gentleman boils down to the persons picture of the woman he's helping. If he just wants ti be kind as he would to any human being, then it's A-okay. But if he does it cause he thinks that women are helpless special people, then he has no right to complain when he gets a high heel shoved up his ass so far up his lung burst. Also, the woman can be an over reactive, feminine bi***.

 

[Del-Toro]

If somebody is behind me, I hold the door for them because that's a common curtisy, I personnally hate a door flying in my face,and I would imagine that other people do to, so make a note of figuring out if somebody is behind me and at the very least "passing" the door to them. Guy, girl, whatever, manners are manners.

 

[Marble Dragon]

Being a gentleman is in no way sexist. If you're being polite, you're being polite. If you think you're better than women, and that's the onlyp\ reason you're being nice, you're a sexist. However, that doesn't seem to be the case. Even if you do certain things only for women, you're simply going with what seems gentlemanly to you. If you don't pull out a man's chair and push it in for him, it means that you have a brain. A man would be disturbed if you did that.

I have to say, I hate the way that in modern times, "gentleman" pretty much means "isn't an ass." Holding a door open for somebody? Our world would be a better place if everyone did that.

As for not hitting girls? It depends on why you don't hit girls. I don't hit girls, because I don't hit anybody. But then, I'm a girl, so I don't think my view counts as much on that subject.

Would you hold the door open for a man? pull his seat out and then push it in for him? open a car door for him? it is sexist

If he held doors for men and pushed chairs in for them, society would call him gay. How can he win?

 

[Lukirre]

Would you hold the door open for a man? pull his seat out and then push it in for him? open a car door for him? it is sexist

I've held the door open for males before.
It's being polite.

I don't pull out the seat for my girlfriend, nor do I push it in for her unless I'm trying to be a "corny-but-romantic" kind of person.
She's not a fragile little daisy that can't do anything for herself.
And last I checked, I've never tried to be corny-but-romantic with another man.

Nor do I open car doors for anyone, unless their hands are full.
Again, see above.

Now, I know these examples pertain to me, but...

Seriously, anyone who tries to say "It's sexist!" by men being polite to women can shove off.
We spent so long hearing about how all we ever used to do was treat women like shit.
And now we try to be polite and we're still called sexist?

Pffffshaw.

 

[Ultress]

I'll be kind to everyone because that's the kind of guy I am in public. Most people just say thank you and go on their way . Seriously though I don't see it as sexist unless it's followed by asmack to the ass or sexist comment. I will go out of my way to do nicew things for a girl I like but is that really a horrible thing?

As for hitting a girl, it's the same rule for a guy if youy wanna bait me with a punch i'll ignore you or tell you to Fuck off, I have better stuff to do. That being said it irrites me to no end when a girl uses the line You can't hit a girl it usally means they want to coax you in to something stupid and are being sexist themselves by differing themselves from a man.

 

[razer17]

well i make a point to be polite to everyone. but no, being gentlemanly isn't sexist, to a certain extent. sometimes people get ridiculous with it.
although from a technical standpoint it is being sexist, because you are treating them differently due to her gender, but realistically, no its definitely not sexist.

 

[Davey Woo]

It depends on who you're talking to and how you carry out your chivalry =P

To be honest you weren't taught properly if you were told to hold doors open for women and not men. Genetlemanlyness as a whole should be continuous, it shouldn't be "turned on" when girls are around. If you get what I mean.

I try and be courteous as much as I can. Holding doors open etc. But also in subtle ways. I.e. walking on the road-side of the pavement when passing people.

I don't know why to be honest.

 

[Florion]

I think there's a line between being a gentleman and being sexist. Holding doors is polite; you should do that if you're the first one through a door even if you're a girl. Hitting someone who could get injured is bad no matter what gender you that person is. But some guys think that they have to stop swearing in front of girls because the girl can't take it, and it's kind of belittling. Also, I can open my own car door, thank you very much. Being polite is different from acting like girls can't take care of themselves.

 

[tumeg828]

i don't discriminate' i hate everyone equally

 

[Hobofisherman]

The only girl I ever hit was when I was spanking her bare ass! But even then I hesitated when she asked me to. Doesn't feel right, but damn it was good! hahaha.

 

[TaborMallory]

.........no. *epic facepalm*

Being a gentleman is being a gentleman. The women who confuse the two terms probably don't deserve the courtesy.

 

[Fingerprint]

How is having manners being sexist?
To me this just sounds like some P.C. bullshit rubbish. How can holding a door for a girl possibly be considered to mean that she can't do it herself? Its just being polite.

 

[jj90]

no its not being sexist, but however some girls take every little thing i.e opening a door for them the wrong way and immediately come out with things such as, 'i can open a door myself i dont need a man for that' etc etc.

by the way i dont want to offend any girls in this forum, i know its only a small minority that are like that.

 

[Sronpop]

Its actually my job to be a gentleman, im a waiter of some sorts so opening doors and being polite is all in a days job for me. And sure as hell it cared over into personnal life, which is awesome.

As for hitting women, well, in most cases thats way out of line, but i would be lying if i said i havent shoved some of my friends who are girls into walls. Funny story about hitting girls actually, when I was like 10 or something so girl was like play messing with me, asking me ot hit her, and i was like no no, for ages, was pure adamant not to like, because its wrong, the girl was fairly hot aswell, bet she is a demon now.

Anyway, i was going ot hit her anyway, just like in the arm to shut everyone up because it was really pissing me off at the time. So I closed my eyes, and swang aiming for her arm or something, not to hit her hard just enough to shut her up. Sure enough I miss and hit her square in the eye. She goes home crying, has a black eye for a week, and I got threatened by her dad, thinking im some punk who goes around hitting girl in the face. My defence wasnt very solid, as you might have guessed. Was threatened for weeks by guys who fanced her aswell. Great fun.

Moral of the story, don't hit girls, not even if they ask you to. Unless they proper proper deserved it. Not all girls are saints. Oh and always be a gentlemen, it will pay off eventually.

 

[Lavi]

No, it needs to be meant in a demeaning way.

However, I will exploit the fact that a man will generally not hit a woman and will not expect a woman to beat the shit out of em. By the time a guy ever hits me back, they're already down with a swift kick to the balls (if you are a guy, aim for the boobs). Guys always try the clever 'well ain't you just not a skinny little bean pole who actually has boobs whom I'd rather bang, but I am requiring something to use to make fun of you'. Too bad that doesn't work because the insults generally aren't true.

... Well, that was a tangent.

 

[Kpt._Rob]

The answer is that it both is and it isn't, paradoxical as that is. We do have to realize, that the chivalric tradition (from which modern "gentelmenly'" behavior descends) was created in an extremely sexist society. Because it treats people of one gender different from people of another gender, it is sexist. That said, however, as a general rule it is not a bad thing. My observation has been that most women appreciate it.

However, I think it gets taken too far at times too. I'm not saying that a guy should make his girl pay for dinner, but if she wants to pay for dinner sometimes, he shouldn't say "no, girls can't pay for dinner... that's so silly." To suggest that a woman can't buy dinner for a man is derogatory, it suggests that there is some special status of dinner paying which the woman is not allowed to participate in. And I think we have to realize that women can be tough too. Again, I'm not suggesting that anyone run around haphazardly hitting women, or ever hit a woman for that matter, what I am saying however is that women don't have to be treated like delicate little flowers. Just like men shouldn't be hitting women, women also shouldn't be hitting men. We get so caught up in this idea of "the man always protects the woman" that sometimes we let ourselves miss out on things. I have a friend who absolutely hates the Alien Quadrilogy, not because of any flaw he finds with the films, but because, as he puts it, he "doesn't like watching a woman get slapped around," and as a result, he can't bring himself to watch Sigorney Weaver fight the aliens, because on some level of his mind he believes that a man should be protecting her. As I said once already, women can be really tough, and we have to give them credit for it, part of what I love about the Alien Quadrilogy is that it presents us with such a strong woman, and by that I mean that if I got in a fight with Ellen Ripley, she'd kick my ass. Women can be tough too, and when guys take the chivalric crap too far they can't see this, and that is definately sexist.

 

[Skeleon]

I was raised by my parents to be a gentleman(Opening doors, Helping whenever possible, etc.), a rare thing nowadays. I have been told that I was being sexist because I refuse to hit a girl. It's not like i don't view them as equals or anything, I very much respect them. What do you think?

I don't think you're sexist, but that may be because I follow the same regimen. So maybe we are both sexist, I dunno.

However, just a few days ago, I held the door open for a girl (who went the other way), waited until she passed before I went through myself.
She gave me a very friendly smile and said "thanks", so I doubt I could've been too wrong there.

 

[halfeclipse]

Depends on intent doesn't it. If it's just for politeness sake holding doors pulling out chairs or even helping get over a puddle if their wearing something that would make the help useful is just being, well polite.

No problem with play fighting though I generaly wont bother because of the trouble of keeping my strength in check.

By the time a guy ever hits me back, they're already down with a swift kick to the balls (if you are a guy, aim for the boobs).

Wouldn't do that right away, if you've any ablity to ignore pain at all you can ususaly take a kick to the balls though maybe not move very fast. Kick em really hard right under the patella (the front part of the knee) or if you're wearing something with heels stomp on their ankle. Then kick him in the nuts, even if they can ignore the pain it'll still knock them down because their leg will have no intrest in keeping them standing.

 

[Arachon]

Sexism don't exist really.

Are you serious?

If sexism doesn't exist, how come that a majority of women recieve less pay for the same work than men do? How come that sentences for rape cases usually are extenuated based on what clothing the woman was wearing at the time, or if she was drunk or not? How come that there is even an abortion debate (trust me, if men where those who got pregnant, we'd have drive-in abortion clinics), the fact that 85% of the "leader positions" in the world (politicians, CEOs etc) are held by men?

Sorry, women are still, regrettably, at a huge disadvantage, the world is still dominated by men.

 

[Beffudled Sheep]

People actually give you trouble for being a gentleman now? That's ridiculous. And what kind of animal does one have to be to hit a woman?

The human animal. I hit a woman a few times. I told her not to throw that bottle at me. Did she listen... well actually yes but she then proceeded to beat me upon the head, neck, and face area with it. So I defended myself.

Being a gentleman is not sexist it is just a nearly dead idea.