Poll: Sexism?

[Beffudled Sheep]

No, it needs to be meant in a demeaning way.

However, I will exploit the fact that a man will generally not hit a woman and will not expect a woman to beat the shit out of em. By the time a guy ever hits me back, they're already down with a swift kick to the balls (if you are a guy, aim for the boobs). Guys always try the clever 'well ain't you just not a skinny little bean pole who actually has boobs whom I'd rather bang, but I am requiring something to use to make fun of you'. Too bad that doesn't work because the insults generally aren't true.

... Well, that was a tangent.

If this has happened to you before I warn you to watch out for the ones who wear cups.

 

[Datalord]

Technically it is sexist, but it is allowable sexism

 

[Rascarin]

As a female, I am shocked to hear of these crazy feminist types that accuse chivalry of being sexist.

Personally, I really like being treated like a lady. If a man offers me his coat, makes a point of holding the door for me, moves my chair for me, I would be really, really flattered. If a guy went out of his way to treat me nicely, like that, it would instantly raise my estimation of him. I'm a woman, I like to be treated as a woman.

And sure, if I pick a fight with a guy, he is more than welcome to hit me back.

 

[banthesun]

Treating someone diferently on the basis of their gender is sexism, but whether or not it's a problem in this case is debatably. In theory, if you're doing it to help out, it should be good. If you're doing it because you believe you're more capable, bad. In practise, if the girl appreciates the help, good. If she feels patronised, bad

 

[samsprinkle]

I do that...but being called a sexist prick for those beliefs led me to adopt the concept "If you are going to act like a man you are going to be treated like one." I still do all that stuff to strangers, but if someone calls me on it I start treating them like shit.

 

[Levaetus]

I laugh at the people who voted "yes" on this poll.

 

[Agrosmurf]

"Gentleman" on my opinion is an overused nostalgic term that is only used still because my granparents haven't died yet. Oh, you can never hit a woman but the wemon can hit you... because their fragile? no, this makes no sense to have a group of people immune to phisical activity. =P

 

[tehweave]

Being nice to people, weather they are man or woman, isn't a bad thing. Chivalry isn't awful, but it shouldn't be expected. I'm nice to others because I enjoy being nice. Sex and chivalry have nothing to do with it.

 

[Shycte]

Sexism don't exist really.

Are you serious?

If sexism doesn't exist, how come that a majority of women recieve less pay for the same work than men do? How come that sentences for rape cases usually are extenuated based on what clothing the woman was wearing at the time, or if she was drunk or not? How come that there is even an abortion debate (trust me, if men where those who got pregnant, we'd have drive-in abortion clinics), the fact that 85% of the "leader positions" in the world (politicians, CEOs etc) are held by men?

Sorry, women are still, regrettably, at a huge disadvantage, the world is still dominated by men.

I think you missunderstod. My point was, that in the greater whole, it all evens out.

And on the abortion topic, the man has the right to choose what happends to his kid to. The baby is not a part of the women body.

 

[Time Travelling Toaster]

I hold the door open for everyone (an example) and after letting 2 guys through (it was a single corridor) I got accused of being sexist by a woman at the back because the guys were in front of her :S.
Anyway no being a gentleman is not sexist in any form to me.

 

[Tech Team FTW!]

I have been told that I was being sexist because I refuse to hit a girl.

That isn't sexism.
That is common sense.

 

[Sparrow]

If that is sexist, I should have a horde of women outside my house with lit torches and anti-sexism signs.

I don't see it as a problem. Even if your motives for holding open a door, or say letting a woman off the bus first are sexist, your still only doing it because you think it's the right thing to do.

 

[sizzle949]

Sexism: Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.
Discrimination: treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit

Note the "in favor of" part. More or less what it is saying is that sexism is when you treat someone different, not necessarily worse, because of their gender. Unless you also open doors for men, pull out their chairs and all that good stuff, then yes... being a gentleman is in a way sexist (though it is by no means a bad thing is the woman enjoys it and consents)

 

[Ashbax]

I've also found myself asking this question, it's second nature for me to take a girl's coat etc. But isn't that sort of sexist? It's not like they're incapable of hanging up their own coats.

Its not that their incapable, its just being polite. Same with opening doors, pulling out chairs, etc. Anyone who even thought about hitting a girl is krazeh anyway. Although some feminists think otherwise, which I find stupid.

 

[VoltySquirrel]

I was raised by my parents to be a gentleman(Opening doors, Helping whenever possible, etc.), a rare thing nowadays. I have been told that I was being sexist because I refuse to hit a girl. It's not like i don't view them as equals or anything, I very much respect them. What do you think?

The ethics of being a "gentleman" are very outdated- granted, many of the rules are built into the code of manhood, but a lot of it is the sort of thing that feminists would either rage about or sweep under the table, along with their own hypocrisy.
In short, I believe that "gentleman"ly tactics should only be employed with a woman that you are interested in a relationship. That being said, I would get into a fair fistfight with a woman, but only on the understanding that we are fighting each other as equals; gender strength differences aside, the only definition I apply to "beating on" a woman is when she is clearly making no attempt at fighting back. Many women will openly strike a man on the belief that him fighting back counts as "beating on" her, which is one of the hypocrisies of being a "gentleman."

Sort of, it depends. For instance, do you hold the door for everyone? Or just girls? I wouldn't say the latter is sexist, but I could see it being seen that way.

I hold the door for everybody, gender doesn't matter.

^All of this.^
A good example of my gentlemanly behavior is that, everyday I walk home with this girl I kind of like. On the way, I carry her bookbag. Its just being polite.

 

[Loki B]

I open doors for women and stuff like that, and I would never hit a women. But I still think that women and men are equals, women are just well nicer, hmm maybe that does make me a sexist, come to think of it not sure if I care if I am one.

 

[Arachon]

I think you missunderstod. My point was, that in the greater whole, it all evens out.

And on the abortion topic, the man has the right to choose what happends to his kid to. The baby is not a part of the women body.

Evens out how? As I said, women are still discriminated everywhere, I wouldn't call it "even" if it's a fact that you'll have a harder time "getting anywhere" in life based on your gender.

And actually... The baby is a part of the woman's body, and furthermore, it's the woman who has to carry that fucking thing, throw up and feel generally crap for 9 months, AND has to squeeze out the thing in the end. IMO A womans opinion considering her own abortion should weigh in heavier than her partner's, it's her body after all. Also.. If you want a baby a woman who doesn't, you'd do good in either looking for a new partner or discuss the matter more seriously.

Note that I don't think that a mans opinion on the abortion of "his" child should be worthless, I'm all for the "discussing it trough with a shrink", it's just that the woman should have the final word.

 

[Aloran]

If you're a gentleman, you are polite to both genders: you merely reserve certain types of polite behavior for the opposite sex. There's no reason to claim it's because women are considered inferior; it could be considered along the lines of competitive marketing in the "seller's market" of men if one had to, though. For me, treating people equally doesn't demand pretending that both genders are the same and treating them both rudely.

Call me old-fashioned, but I believe that you offer to take a friend's coat at the door and offer a lady your coat if she's cold: there are biological reasons for her to feel colder than you anyway. It's the same courtesy you extend to breaking up physical fights between male friends. In both of these cases there's a sort of stereotype to initial state expectation, but a true gentleman is also going to do what he can to break up a physical fight between women (shut up, you) and offer his coat to the guy stupid enough to wear a sleeveless shirt.

You hold the door open for everybody, regardless. It's just what you do.

I agree with everything you said here. Well said kind sir.

/salute

 

[Max-Vader]

How come that sentences for rape cases usually are extenuated based on what clothing the woman was wearing at the time, or if she was drunk or not?

Could you give us some examples? I've never heard of that. Who would do that? Aren't judges supposed to be unbiased?

How come that there is even an abortion debate (trust me, if men where those who got pregnant, we'd have drive-in abortion clinics),

I blame Canada. (That was a joke, I blame religion.)
If men got pregnant, they would be women. Your argument makes no sense. And how do you even come to that conclusion with drive-in abortion clinics?

the fact that 85% of the "leader positions" in the world (politicians, CEOs etc) are held by men?

So you are saying equality is only achieved when only 50% are men? Okay, I suppose that has to extend to every other job - coal miners have to be 50% women and so on. Great idea.
By the way, choosing a woman for a job instead of a man just because she is a woman is also sexist.

Sorry, women are still, regrettably, at a huge disadvantage, the world is still dominated by men.

Thank you, I was never aware that I dominated the world before. Maybe I'll declare myself Overlord. Jokes aside, the world is dominated by a FEW men, not all of them. Barack Obama is the american president, does that mean that african-americans rule the world? I think not.

 

[Shycte]

Evens out how? As I said, women are still discriminated everywhere, I wouldn't call it "even" if it's a fact that you'll have a harder time "getting anywhere" in life based on your gender.

And actually... The baby is a part of the woman's body, and furthermore, it's the woman who has to carry that fucking thing, throw up and feel generally crap for 9 months, AND has to squeeze out the thing in the end. IMO A womans opinion considering her own abortion should weigh in heavier than her partner's, it's her body after all. Also.. If you want a baby a woman who doesn't, you'd do good in either looking for a new partner or discuss the matter more seriously.

Note that I don't think that a mans opinion on the abortion of "his" child should be worthless, I'm all for the "discussing it trough with a shrink", it's just that the woman should have the final word.

1) Facts like that male circumcision is perfectly legal when female circumcision makes everybody go angry face. For the same crimes, men gets harder sentences then females. Men forced to risk their lives in male-only conscripted military service.

The list goes on and on and on...

2) Sorry to say but there is no room for any "IMO" if you are going by the facts, which I strongly recommend for anyone who don't want to look like an ass.

A feetus works almost in the exaclty same way as a parasite. It "steals" energy and nourishment. If it wasn't for the Placenta the women body would think that the feetus IS a parasite and reject it. So simply, no. The feetus is NOT a part of the women body.

3) If both parents wants a abortion, fine, do it. But if the father for example don't want an abortion she shouldn't be able to do it. She knew the risk of having unprotected sex and now she have to suffer the consequences.