Poll: Should feminists be involved with anime mediums?

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

@Queen Michael

I see all feminists as extremists. Given the way they act, it's hard not to come to such a conclusion and view them with the highest disdain. Don't forget there's a topic describing how they've extended their antics to children's toys, or how Grand Theft Auto V is getting boycotted.

For the love of god

What you are refering to is the most fanatical 0.1% of all feminists in the world. Most feminists qualify as humanists and would see the advancement of human rights and improvement for all genders. This is like watching Transformers: Revenged of the Fallen and assuming that all movies are like that: it's narrow minded and unacademic.

Again, not trying to start a fight.
Could you refer me to a publication where these reasonable feminists are? Maybe I've just been stumbling upon the crazy arse "false rape accusations aren't bad", "male tears", "patriarchy", "male gaze", sites one after another. I used to call myself a feminist until these nutty things started popping up en masse in media. So if you can recommend a reasonable publication, that'd be nice.

Believe me, I dislike those insane idiots as much as any reasonable person but there are still reasonable people out there (not sure if this fits but give it a shot:http://www.feministpress.org/)

Also, I suggest avoiding the media and asking people in real life. Face to face contact implicitly imparts social rules that are not enforced on the net so most people hold their tongues better.

 

[Queen Michael]

Didn't you just go on a rant of how misogynistic, sexist, and or childish the medium is not too long ago? I may have forgotten.

Nnnnope. That was not what I was saying. At all.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I really think it's just the fact that I am Asian, and have always been with animated media, and you're just a Westerner, who's likely only known Marvel or DC. I don't find it strange if you can't get into anime, but don't claim things that aren't true like everything being pandering.

"Who's likely only known Marvel or DC?" First of all, why no Image comics? You think I'm the only one not to love Saga and The Walking Dead?

Spoiler: Secondly, check this out.

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2426_zps921d393e.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2427_zps2c0eba96.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2428_zps5fd6b801.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2429_zps4f6e45d5.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2430_zpsfa082c9f.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2432_zps7b2d5e6a.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2431_zpsd5bb38eb.jpg.html]

Those were a few pics of my collection. Now do you believe me?

Yes I do. I just don't get why you would hate anime then, since it's a medium strongly tied to manga.

I don't hate anime. Anime's great. Granted, I've only watched a few series, thirty at most (and I'm not claiming to have finished them all either), but I like what I've seen.

Didn't you just go on a rant of how misogynistic, sexist, and or childish the medium is not too long ago? I may have forgotten.

Have you ever heard of "I hate it because I love it"

In this case, I hate the pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers but love anime for it's potential to tell stories and themes in a way that live action can't

Pointing out flaws within a medium does not make you a hater; if so, then Ebert would have been the most well known hater of movies ever and I remind you that he helped in several productions and even made a movie (admittedly, it's a bit of an oddball).

Edit: Thinking back, I'm not even sure that Queen said all those things and even if he did, I would probably back him up on certain examples.

 

[Sung-Hwan]

I really think it's just the fact that I am Asian, and have always been with animated media, and you're just a Westerner, who's likely only known Marvel or DC. I don't find it strange if you can't get into anime, but don't claim things that aren't true like everything being pandering.

"Who's likely only known Marvel or DC?" First of all, why no Image comics? You think I'm the only one not to love Saga and The Walking Dead?

Spoiler: Secondly, check this out.

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2426_zps921d393e.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2427_zps2c0eba96.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2428_zps5fd6b801.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2429_zps4f6e45d5.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2430_zpsfa082c9f.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2432_zps7b2d5e6a.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2431_zpsd5bb38eb.jpg.html]

Those were a few pics of my collection. Now do you believe me?

Yes I do. I just don't get why you would hate anime then, since it's a medium strongly tied to manga.

I don't hate anime. Anime's great. Granted, I've only watched a few series, thirty at most (and I'm not claiming to have finished them all either), but I like what I've seen.

Didn't you just go on a rant of how misogynistic, sexist, and or childish the medium is not too long ago? I may have forgotten.

Have you ever heard of "I hate it because I love it"

In this case, I hate the pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers but love anime for it's potencal to tell stories and themes in a way that live action can't

Pointing out flaws within a medium does not make you a hater; if so, then Ebert would have been the most well known hater of movies ever and I remind you that he helped in several productions and even made a movie (admittedly, it's a bit of an oddball).

See, the issue here is where you said "pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers" and try to apply it to every anime that exists. That does not sit well with someone who has seen dozens of anime clearly outside of what you're assuming. Keep in mind that fanservice is not as liked by viewers as much as you assume either.

 

[Queen Michael]

Have you ever heard of "I hate it because I love it"

In this case, I hate the pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers but love anime for it's potencal to tell stories and themes in a way that live action can't

Pointing out flaws within a medium does not make you a hater; if so, then Ebert would have been the most well known hater of movies ever and I remind you that he helped in several productions and even made a movie (admittedly, it's a bit of an oddball).

See, the issue here is where you said "pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers" and try to apply it to every anime that exists. That does not sit well with someone who has seen dozens of anime clearly outside of what you're assuming. Keep in mind that fanservice is not as liked by viewers as much as you assume either.

Izanagi009's phrasing might have been a bit bad, but to me it seems that he meant this:

"There are some elements in anime that are pandering and idiotic, and these elements seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers. I hate those elements."

 

[CpT_x_Killsteal]

@Queen Michael

I see all feminists as extremists. Given the way they act, it's hard not to come to such a conclusion and view them with the highest disdain. Don't forget there's a topic describing how they've extended their antics to children's toys, or how Grand Theft Auto V is getting boycotted.

For the love of god

What you are refering to is the most fanatical 0.1% of all feminists in the world. Most feminists qualify as humanists and would see the advancement of human rights and improvement for all genders. This is like watching Transformers: Revenged of the Fallen and assuming that all movies are like that: it's narrow minded and unacademic.

Again, not trying to start a fight.
Could you refer me to a publication where these reasonable feminists are? Maybe I've just been stumbling upon the crazy arse "false rape accusations aren't bad", "male tears", "patriarchy", "male gaze", sites one after another. I used to call myself a feminist until these nutty things started popping up en masse in media. So if you can recommend a reasonable publication, that'd be nice.

Believe me, I dislike those insane idiots as much as any reasonable person but there are still reasonable people out there (not sure if this fits but give it a shot:http://www.feministpress.org/)

Also, I suggest avoiding the media and asking people in real life. Face to face contact implicitly imparts social rules that are not enforced on the net so most people hold their tongues better.

Thanks for the link, I kind of screwed up my wording though. I meant publication as in media, like the escapist (the very thing you told me to avoid >.<).

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I really think it's just the fact that I am Asian, and have always been with animated media, and you're just a Westerner, who's likely only known Marvel or DC. I don't find it strange if you can't get into anime, but don't claim things that aren't true like everything being pandering.

"Who's likely only known Marvel or DC?" First of all, why no Image comics? You think I'm the only one not to love Saga and The Walking Dead?

Spoiler: Secondly, check this out.

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2426_zps921d393e.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2427_zps2c0eba96.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2428_zps5fd6b801.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2429_zps4f6e45d5.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2430_zpsfa082c9f.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2432_zps7b2d5e6a.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2431_zpsd5bb38eb.jpg.html]

Those were a few pics of my collection. Now do you believe me?

Yes I do. I just don't get why you would hate anime then, since it's a medium strongly tied to manga.

I don't hate anime. Anime's great. Granted, I've only watched a few series, thirty at most (and I'm not claiming to have finished them all either), but I like what I've seen.

Didn't you just go on a rant of how misogynistic, sexist, and or childish the medium is not too long ago? I may have forgotten.

Have you ever heard of "I hate it because I love it"

In this case, I hate the pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers but love anime for it's potencal to tell stories and themes in a way that live action can't

Pointing out flaws within a medium does not make you a hater; if so, then Ebert would have been the most well known hater of movies ever and I remind you that he helped in several productions and even made a movie (admittedly, it's a bit of an oddball).

See, the issue here is where you said "pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers" and try to apply it to every anime that exists. That does not sit well with someone who has seen dozens of anime clearly outside of what you're assuming. Keep in mind that fanservice is not as liked by viewers as much as you assume either.

broad generalization is broad.

I could name a few examples of shows that either don't have fanservice or use it for tonal dissonance and narrative but the fact that I can name just as many if not more shows that have fanservice or pandering makes me ill or have woe for the medium

 

[Sung-Hwan]

Have you ever heard of "I hate it because I love it"

In this case, I hate the pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers but love anime for it's potencal to tell stories and themes in a way that live action can't

Pointing out flaws within a medium does not make you a hater; if so, then Ebert would have been the most well known hater of movies ever and I remind you that he helped in several productions and even made a movie (admittedly, it's a bit of an oddball).

See, the issue here is where you said "pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers" and try to apply it to every anime that exists. That does not sit well with someone who has seen dozens of anime clearly outside of what you're assuming. Keep in mind that fanservice is not as liked by viewers as much as you assume either.

Izanagi009's phrasing might have been a bit bad, but to me it seems that he meant this:

"There are some elements in anime that are pandering and idiotic, and these elements seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers. I hate those elements."

here are least five anime with none of the tropes he probably assumed applied to everything. I can probably name a hundred more if necessary...probably not.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Have you ever heard of "I hate it because I love it"

In this case, I hate the pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers but love anime for it's potencal to tell stories and themes in a way that live action can't

Pointing out flaws within a medium does not make you a hater; if so, then Ebert would have been the most well known hater of movies ever and I remind you that he helped in several productions and even made a movie (admittedly, it's a bit of an oddball).

See, the issue here is where you said "pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers" and try to apply it to every anime that exists. That does not sit well with someone who has seen dozens of anime clearly outside of what you're assuming. Keep in mind that fanservice is not as liked by viewers as much as you assume either.

Izanagi009's phrasing might have been a bit bad, but to me it seems that he meant this:

"There are some elements in anime that are pandering and idiotic, and these elements seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers. I hate those elements."

actually, that's pretty much it, Guess I was too broad

 

[Ishigami]

I think feminists shouldn?t be involved with anything really so there is your answer.

I of course had a laugh at you mentioning hentais in particular. So a feminists is complaining about porn? someone not getting what porn is I take it and that is the ends of it for me.

I have a lot of issues (narrow target audience windows, surreal unnatural bad writing, design over substance etc.) with Anime/Manga these days despite being a huge fan a decade ago. But they are symptomatic to how the industry in Japan works (ratings, publication system, editors, training or lack thereof). And since mentioned industry only really cares about the national reception nothing said or done in west will really affect it.
And that?s then end of that?

 

[Sung-Hwan]

I really think it's just the fact that I am Asian, and have always been with animated media, and you're just a Westerner, who's likely only known Marvel or DC. I don't find it strange if you can't get into anime, but don't claim things that aren't true like everything being pandering.

"Who's likely only known Marvel or DC?" First of all, why no Image comics? You think I'm the only one not to love Saga and The Walking Dead?

Spoiler: Secondly, check this out.

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2426_zps921d393e.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2427_zps2c0eba96.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2428_zps5fd6b801.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2429_zps4f6e45d5.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2430_zpsfa082c9f.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2432_zps7b2d5e6a.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2431_zpsd5bb38eb.jpg.html]

Those were a few pics of my collection. Now do you believe me?

Yes I do. I just don't get why you would hate anime then, since it's a medium strongly tied to manga.

I don't hate anime. Anime's great. Granted, I've only watched a few series, thirty at most (and I'm not claiming to have finished them all either), but I like what I've seen.

Didn't you just go on a rant of how misogynistic, sexist, and or childish the medium is not too long ago? I may have forgotten.

Have you ever heard of "I hate it because I love it"

In this case, I hate the pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers but love anime for it's potencal to tell stories and themes in a way that live action can't

Pointing out flaws within a medium does not make you a hater; if so, then Ebert would have been the most well known hater of movies ever and I remind you that he helped in several productions and even made a movie (admittedly, it's a bit of an oddball).

See, the issue here is where you said "pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers" and try to apply it to every anime that exists. That does not sit well with someone who has seen dozens of anime clearly outside of what you're assuming. Keep in mind that fanservice is not as liked by viewers as much as you assume either.

broad generalization is broad.

I could name a few examples of shows that either don't have fanservice or use it for tonal dissonance and narrative but the fact that I can name just as many if not more shows that have fanservice or pandering makes me ill or have woe for the medium

just like how i could list dozens of trash films for dozens of good ones? You can't be serious with that single-minded bias.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

I'm not trying to start a fight or anything here, I'm just curious. When you say this, do you mean "a person who just happens to be a feminist can have an opinion on something outside of feminism", or do you mean something along the lines of "the feminist movement should get into whatever they want"?

The last thing anime/manga need is a group that tried to limited creative freedom.

I'll answer you both together, if that's alright. First of all, let me make it clear that I am not endorsing extremist feminism that intends to censor material. What I am saying is that feminists do have the right to have a say. From what I can gather, the person the OP was referring to on the other forum wrote up a feminist critique of an anime, that is to say, they wrote from a feminist perspective.

And that is absolutely fine by me, that's their opinion. I don't support feminism so much as I support equal rights. You're allowed to have a terrible opinion, or a dissenting opinion or whatever have you, I don't care. So long as you aren't actively limiting creative freedom, do whatever the fuck you want.

Killsteal, when you say "The feminist movement should get into whatever they want", I mean it in the sense that if someone feels they have something to say on any subject, they should have that right.

raikagetaicho, like I said above, I do not endorse extremist feminism or any movement that intends to censor things. See above: let them have their say and be done with it.

 

[Inglorious891]

I'm not a manga/anime/etc fan, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

Should feminists be involved with anime/etc.? That depends on what you mean by, "involved". If they're going to be watching over the backs of the creators, making sure things they don't like are removed, or if they act like editors and iron out anything they don't like then no, they shouldn't be involved.

Should they get to yell at stuff for being sexist? Yes, they should. They can yell at anyone they want to. Odds are unless these people yelling are from Japan, the creators aren't going to give a shit, so I really don't know why you're so upset.

As for doujins/hentai, they're porn, so yelling at it for being sexist is especially silly. I'm not saying you can't do it, but I doubt anyone except people who already agree with you are going to listen.

 

[raikagetaicho]

I really think it's just the fact that I am Asian, and have always been with animated media, and you're just a Westerner, who's likely only known Marvel or DC. I don't find it strange if you can't get into anime, but don't claim things that aren't true like everything being pandering.

"Who's likely only known Marvel or DC?" First of all, why no Image comics? You think I'm the only one not to love Saga and The Walking Dead?

Spoiler: Secondly, check this out.

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2426_zps921d393e.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2427_zps2c0eba96.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2428_zps5fd6b801.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2429_zps4f6e45d5.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2430_zpsfa082c9f.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2432_zps7b2d5e6a.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2431_zpsd5bb38eb.jpg.html]

Those were a few pics of my collection. Now do you believe me?

Yes I do. I just don't get why you would hate anime then, since it's a medium strongly tied to manga.

I don't hate anime. Anime's great. Granted, I've only watched a few series, thirty at most (and I'm not claiming to have finished them all either), but I like what I've seen.

Didn't you just go on a rant of how misogynistic, sexist, and or childish the medium is not too long ago? I may have forgotten.

Have you ever heard of "I hate it because I love it"

In this case, I hate the pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers but love anime for it's potencal to tell stories and themes in a way that live action can't

Pointing out flaws within a medium does not make you a hater; if so, then Ebert would have been the most well known hater of movies ever and I remind you that he helped in several productions and even made a movie (admittedly, it's a bit of an oddball).

See, the issue here is where you said "pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers" and try to apply it to every anime that exists. That does not sit well with someone who has seen dozens of anime clearly outside of what you're assuming. Keep in mind that fanservice is not as liked by viewers as much as you assume either.

broad generalization is broad.

I could name a few examples of shows that either don't have fanservice or use it for tonal dissonance and narrative but the fact that I can name just as many if not more shows that have fanservice or pandering makes me ill or have woe for the medium

Stop waching anime then.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Have you ever heard of "I hate it because I love it"

In this case, I hate the pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers but love anime for it's potencal to tell stories and themes in a way that live action can't

Pointing out flaws within a medium does not make you a hater; if so, then Ebert would have been the most well known hater of movies ever and I remind you that he helped in several productions and even made a movie (admittedly, it's a bit of an oddball).

See, the issue here is where you said "pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers" and try to apply it to every anime that exists. That does not sit well with someone who has seen dozens of anime clearly outside of what you're assuming. Keep in mind that fanservice is not as liked by viewers as much as you assume either.

Izanagi009's phrasing might have been a bit bad, but to me it seems that he meant this:

"There are some elements in anime that are pandering and idiotic, and these elements seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers. I hate those elements."

here are least five anime with none of the tropes he probably assumed applied to everything. I can probably name a hundred more if necessary...probably not.

And I can name several more that have them: Sword Art Online, No Game No Life, Elfin Lied, Love Hina, Infinite Stratos, Brunhider in the Darkness, Eikan, Cross Ange, Akame Ga Kill, Gotta be the Twintalls, High School DxD, High School of the Dead, Master of Martial Hearts and I will probably encounter more as i live

Keep in mind, some of these shows are good despite them or can be good with the absences of the tropes but the fact that I can name more shows with them than without is problematic.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I really think it's just the fact that I am Asian, and have always been with animated media, and you're just a Westerner, who's likely only known Marvel or DC. I don't find it strange if you can't get into anime, but don't claim things that aren't true like everything being pandering.

"Who's likely only known Marvel or DC?" First of all, why no Image comics? You think I'm the only one not to love Saga and The Walking Dead?

Spoiler: Secondly, check this out.

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2426_zps921d393e.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2427_zps2c0eba96.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2428_zps5fd6b801.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2429_zps4f6e45d5.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2430_zpsfa082c9f.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2432_zps7b2d5e6a.jpg.html]

[http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/HerrNeon/media/DSCN2431_zpsd5bb38eb.jpg.html]

Those were a few pics of my collection. Now do you believe me?

Yes I do. I just don't get why you would hate anime then, since it's a medium strongly tied to manga.

I don't hate anime. Anime's great. Granted, I've only watched a few series, thirty at most (and I'm not claiming to have finished them all either), but I like what I've seen.

Didn't you just go on a rant of how misogynistic, sexist, and or childish the medium is not too long ago? I may have forgotten.

Have you ever heard of "I hate it because I love it"

In this case, I hate the pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers but love anime for it's potencal to tell stories and themes in a way that live action can't

Pointing out flaws within a medium does not make you a hater; if so, then Ebert would have been the most well known hater of movies ever and I remind you that he helped in several productions and even made a movie (admittedly, it's a bit of an oddball).

See, the issue here is where you said "pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers" and try to apply it to every anime that exists. That does not sit well with someone who has seen dozens of anime clearly outside of what you're assuming. Keep in mind that fanservice is not as liked by viewers as much as you assume either.

broad generalization is broad.

I could name a few examples of shows that either don't have fanservice or use it for tonal dissonance and narrative but the fact that I can name just as many if not more shows that have fanservice or pandering makes me ill or have woe for the medium

Stop waching anime then.

I've been watching anime since I was 6 on Toonami, I have taken a small interest in Japanese culture because of anime and I am invested in the medium's growth in hopes that it can improve.

The times I see a Gundam Unicorn, a Madoka, or a Fate/Zero are worth the times I bash my head at the Infinite Stratos and Cross Ange of the medium

 

[cleric of the order]

@Queen Michael

I see all feminists as extremists. Given the way they act, it's hard not to come to such a conclusion and view them with the highest disdain. Don't forget there's a topic describing how they've extended their antics to children's toys, or how Grand Theft Auto V is getting boycotted.

look man, I know 2014 has been quite a year for feminists, perpendicularly the feminist shirt thing, not shirt gate the female slave labor they've bought to make the "I'm a feminist tee shirts." (Or man-spreading (seriously you don't have something between your legs, shouldn't you idiots be tackling third things, helping people directly or something.))
but even when i left feminism in anger and disgust would I have claimed that.
Not openly (i kid), people tend to take offense at that and haven't likely heard of Erin Pezziy.
There are problems with feminism. A number of people believe highly in it, believe they are doing the right thing and for high minded ideals for sake of egalitarianism.
Not everyone is a part of S.C.U.M. like Christina Hoff Sommers whom has my infinite respect as a person, at some point i should read her first book.

I have to say, I'm surprised a rather interesting majority decided to side against you in the poll. Perhaps i am just one of those live and let die kinds of people, (a rather poor guess because that isn't true) but that's forcing our views upon another culture and other artists.
Also I don't care.

> I am not generalizing...

> They're all hyper aggressive...

> Insulted someone with the worst insults imaginable because they said something may be sexist or have sexist elements.


There is so much self-awareness in this thread. XD

Having anime, and feminism/antifeminism in a single conversation results in this by nature.
Those topics might as well be denser then uranium on their own, when you through it on the internet you end up with the heaviest shit storm.
Don't be so hard on 'em, it is human nature to lack self awareness in at least one field. If every human had complete self knowledge the world would be, at least in some respect the world would be at least a little nicer.

 

[CpT_x_Killsteal]

I'm not trying to start a fight or anything here, I'm just curious. When you say this, do you mean "a person who just happens to be a feminist can have an opinion on something outside of feminism", or do you mean something along the lines of "the feminist movement should get into whatever they want"?

The last thing anime/manga need is a group that tried to limited creative freedom.

I'll answer you both together, if that's alright. First of all, let me make it clear that I am not endorsing extremist feminism that intends to censor material. What I am saying is that feminists do have the right to have a say. From what I can gather, the person the OP was referring to on the other forum wrote up a feminist critique of an anime, that is to say, they wrote from a feminist perspective.

And that is absolutely fine by me, that's their opinion. I don't support feminism so much as I support equal rights. You're allowed to have a terrible opinion, or a dissenting opinion or whatever have you, I don't care. So long as you aren't actively limiting creative freedom, do whatever the fuck you want.

Killsteal, when you say "The feminist movement should get into whatever they want", I mean it in the sense that if someone feels they have something to say on any subject, they should have that right.

raikagetaicho, like I said above, I do not endorse extremist feminism or any movement that intends to censor things. See above: let them have their say and be done with it.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. 10/10

 

[Sung-Hwan]

Have you ever heard of "I hate it because I love it"

In this case, I hate the pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers but love anime for it's potencal to tell stories and themes in a way that live action can't

Pointing out flaws within a medium does not make you a hater; if so, then Ebert would have been the most well known hater of movies ever and I remind you that he helped in several productions and even made a movie (admittedly, it's a bit of an oddball).

See, the issue here is where you said "pandering, idiotic elements of anime that seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers" and try to apply it to every anime that exists. That does not sit well with someone who has seen dozens of anime clearly outside of what you're assuming. Keep in mind that fanservice is not as liked by viewers as much as you assume either.

Izanagi009's phrasing might have been a bit bad, but to me it seems that he meant this:

"There are some elements in anime that are pandering and idiotic, and these elements seek only to satisfy the minds of nihilistic teenagers. I hate those elements."

here are least five anime with none of the tropes he probably assumed applied to everything. I can probably name a hundred more if necessary...probably not.

And I can name several more that have them: Sword Art Online, No Game No Life, Elfin Lied, Love Hina, Infinite Stratos, Brunhider in the Darkness, Eikan, Cross Ange, Akame Ga Kill, Gotta be the Twintalls, High School DxD, High School of the Dead, Master of Martial Hearts and I will probably encounter more as i live

Keep in mind, some of these shows are good despite them or can be good with the absences of the tropes but the fact that I can name more shows with them than without is problematic.

I think you've proven what kind of person you are already. As the other person said, do not involve yourself with this medium, and hopefully you don't involve yourself with Persona either given that it also contains what your warped bias is against. I am not going to sit here and go back and forth with you going over which anime has pandering or not. That's hilarious and stupid.