Poll: Should Paedophiles be allowed a Second Chance?

[RavingLibDem]

They have not paid their debt. A few years in prison does not earn you a second chance. Not until all your victims forgive you.
Personally I believe he and all other child sex offenders should be executed. I do make the distinction in this regard between child sex offenders and normal sex offenders as well, it is sadly all too common for some ***** to cry rape the morning after because she is ashamed of herself for being a whore. Also the legal system in this aspect is a fucking joke. If both parties are drunk the man is still considered the rapist even if the woman instigated it and was on top. I would not want some poor schmuck to die for that but as children can never give consent if found guilty then kill them.

Wow.... thats a trolls post if ever I've seen one!

With the whole paedophilia issue, it obviously raises major issues, as well as emotions in everyone who talks about it. However I've seen some people suggest that they should only be let out when victims forgive them, but frankly, this is a none starter, you cannot run a criminal justice system on the wishes of those that were harmed by crime - they will not be detached, and the punishment they inflicted would not be fair. The aim of prison is to aim for 4 different things - Protection of society and the offender, rehabilitation, the maintaining of good order, and only then the punishment of the offender.

People always underestimate how much prison is actually a punishment, but if you have all liberty taken away from you, and all ability to do the things you want when you want, you lose a large part of your humanity. If you want to look at more serious punishment for paedophiles then you should look to places like Denmark - they perform clinical castration on paedophiles, in such a way that brings their hormone levels back to those of a 12 year old, this is proven to work, and given what is being suggested here is practically humane!

And finally on the quoted post... I'm sorry what the hell are you going on about with the rape convictions! Your just wrong on every level, in the UK for instance only 2 percent of rape accusations end in conviction, with a huge amount more not even coming to trial because of the attitudes of police, and being forced to relive in intimate detail every detail about that terrible night. Frankly, to say what you have said there is almost unforgivable, and attitudes like that are one of the reason that we still have a huge issue in dealing with rape in society.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Yes. I know the modern concept of the justice system is that it is better for 10 guilty to go free than for 1 innocent man to die. Personally I think that is absolute bullshit and is a sign that our current justice system is worthless.
Since they were let off and never got punished they will probably reoffend. If even just half of those 10 reoffend then that is 5 more lives lost or 5 more women having their lives destroyed being raped. Hell they may reoffend multiple times before they get captured.
So therefore yes, one innocent man dies to ensure many more lives will be spared when we also execute the guilty.

Okay, let's put it this way. Say you were being found guilty of a crime you didn't commit, would you just accept being executed for it?

Just saying that if you're not willing to allow yourself being arbitrarily executed for crimes you didn't commit, you certainly shouldn't be proclaiming that such a practice be enacted on others. Because that would make you a hypocrite, an thus making all arguments you've made completely invalid.

If you were put in prison however, they could at the very least let you out if they found out that you were in fact innocent. But once you're dead, they can't really tell you they're sorry and let you out. Once you're dead, you're dead for good.

So, what are you? Just another hypocrite blowhard, or are you actually willing to step up in the judicial system you advocate?

 

[Tears of Blood]

The topic title and the poll don't match for me. I don't think they should be given a second chance, as in, they shouldn't be allowed to get off of the sex offender list. However, they also shouldn't be tortured for the rest of their days by the public. If anything, it's not good for the public itself to have to constantly deal with these people.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

The topic title and the poll don't match for me. I don't think they should be given a second chance, as in, they shouldn't be allowed to get off of the sex offender list. However, they also shouldn't be tortured for the rest of their days by the public. If anything, it's not good for the public itself to have to constantly deal with these people.

But you must admit to the somewhat paradoxical nature of your statement? If someone is being kept on a sex offender list forever, and that list is publicly known it will mean that the ex-con will forever be harrassed and discriminated each time he or she tries to get a job.

What should be done about that?

 

[X-D3M0NiK-X]

Think about it ok, just under 100 years ago 30 year old men were marrying 12 - 14 year old girls ok its just times are changing ok, now these people may be considered sick in some peoples eyes but to others they are normal now dont get the wrong end of the stick here but honestly the only reason people think it is sick is because the age of consent is 16. Im 17 and i see this in the news alot (as mentioned) but i personally think that murders are alot worse, i mean c'mon they KILL / TAKE SOMEBODYS LIFE, If you had the chance to choose 2 senarios out of your little sister being kidnapped but returned or your parents being murdered which would you choose. again i mean no offense i am mearly showing my opinion.

 

[Nmil-ek]

Again paedophilia is not a crime its a termanology for a mental condition, child molestation and or posession of child pornography are crimes. Lets get the termanologies correct these are meant to be intellectual forum's no?

 

[Joshimodo]

Depends on the crime itself. If they didn't actually ACT on their sick thoughts, then a second chance should be possible (and they should be monitored etc. afterwards). If anything is actually acted upon, I think the death penalty is appropriate. Or life imprisonment.

 

[Socius]

Monsters is taking the road a little far from Miami here I think!
they are sick, thats for sure! mentally ill bastards screwing with things that shouldn't be screwed for the next 16-2 years! they are nasty people... though I am a peaceloving bastard so ill give them a second chance, under doubt and supervision of course!
on pain of nudification! - seconds are Ok, third ain't!
Respect the underaged kids or loose your dick!
it's all up to you!
by the way what is a paedophile?

 

[magicmonkeybars]

I find it very amusing that people hold such huge contempt for child molesters while murderers are just average bad guys.

You can get over being raped (I did!). You can't get over being dead.

Dead people don't suffer from being murdered like victims of rape suffer from being raped.
You can cure a pedofile as much as you can homosexual, which is to say not at all.
as for forgiving I don't know but regardless I wouldn't want one living next door to me either way.

 

[TheRealCJ]

You just randomly pick half. Flip a coin, pick a number, etc.
Put them in front of a firing squad, hang 'em, electric chair, whatever floats your boat.

That has to be one of the most stupid and inconsistent ideas I've heard today...

Remind me to wear some body armour and have my will up-to-date if I ever come live with you.

 

[TheRealCJ]

I find it very amusing that people hold such huge contempt for child molesters while murderers are just average bad guys.

You can get over being raped (I did!). You can't get over being dead.

Dead people don't suffer from being murdered like victims of rape suffer from being raped.
You can cure a pedofile as much as you can homosexual, which is to say not at all.
as for forgiving I don't know but regardless I wouldn't want one living next door to me either way.

Well, the problem is that a Paedophile is just someone who is sexually attracted to children. NOT someone who goes out of their way to rape children.

By your definition, if a Homosexual person were to rape someone, we should give up on them because 'they can't help being homosexual'.

We probably can't stop them from having sexual urges to children, but we definately can try to stop them from following up on said urges.

 

[Bat Vader]

I say if it is a first offense they should be made to go through rehabilitation while being having to check in with a parole officer weekly for about six months to a year. After that I say keep up the rehabilitation for another year with having to check in with a parole officer monthly.

If they offend again I say lock them up for life.

 

[cobra_ky]

*snip*

First of all I will give you some advice so you fit in here. Do not call people trolls simply because they state something you do not agree with. It makes you look like a total fuckwit.
Now sorry I do not live in merry old jack the ripper, knife crime capital england but just because your cops are totally fucking useless does not mean I am wrong. Especially on the drunk issue. Men are always held to blame even though both parties are intoxicated.

it's not really on the topic, but there's plenty of cases where the men were exonerated and a woman was charged for false accusations of rape.

Yeah this point has been brought up before so I will tell you what I told the others.
Of course I would not be happy with it and yes, I would try to fight it as much as possible. However if I were unable to prove my innocence then I would have no choice but to accept it and at least I would feel slightly better knowing that the people of my town are safer than other places which let criminals go free.

they certainly wouldn't feel safer, living in fear that they might convicted and executed for a crime they didn't commit. what's the point of punishing people for murder when the state is committing it on a regular basis?

 

[Akai Shizuku]

http://www.lolsauce.com/RandomBS/Pedo%20bear.png

Joking aside, I think capital punishment is looking really good right now. However, if they really do stop, and are really ashamed and all of that emotional BS, and they won't do it ever again, they deserve to be left alone...if they compensate the victims for their...um...extreme distress. Repeat offenders, in my opinion, should get the axe.

EDIT:
http://knowyourmeme.com/i/489/original/Pedobear.jpg
Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[Tears of Blood]

But you must admit to the somewhat paradoxical nature of your statement? If someone is being kept on a sex offender list forever, and that list is publicly known it will mean that the ex-con will forever be harrassed and discriminated each time he or she tries to get a job.

What should be done about that?

I must admit I do not have the answer to that.

The harassment and such is probably a necessary evil, to be honest. Parents need to know if their children are at increased risk due to proximity to sex offenders.

Perhaps we could allow only registered parents to look at the list or something. Like I said, I don't have the answer. All I know is what I believe. One bad choice in life, even one like that, shouldn't doom a person to a life of ridicule, but ultimately I have to side with parents and the potetial victims on this one.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Yeah this point has been brought up before so I will tell you what I told the others.
Of course I would not be happy with it and yes, I would try to fight it as much as possible. However if I were unable to prove my innocence then I would have no choice but to accept it and at least I would feel slightly better knowing that the people of my town are safer than other places which let criminals go free.

Edit: Oh and its soo nice you went and slipped in more pathetic and uncalled for insults. Douchebag behaviour dude.

I did what now?

This is what I wrote in my post:

So, what are you? Just another hypocrite blowhard, or are you actually willing to step up in the judicial system you advocate?

I gave you a choice in the matter. Clearly you are the latter and not the former, if you are perfectly content with being executed for crimes you didn't commit in order for the justice system to get at the real criminals as well, then you're not the proposed hypocrite blowhard, now are you?

And while I can certainly admire your conviction that you are willing to risk yourself being put on the butt-end of such a legal practice. Although I still believe it is easy to speak of hypothetical situations, but quite another thing to actually do it when it happens for real, meaning that im not entirely convinced that you would put up with being executed for something you didn't do, but for the moment I'll give you the benefit of a doubt.

Still, as the many countries have proven that do hand out death sentences, these forms of punishment doesn't make society any safer. The U.S for one have a pretty high rating in capital punishments being carried out, yet still it has one of the highest crime rats in the world (which of course includes tghe very crimes that are punishable by death). Obviously the death penalty doesn't provide the deterence that people in favor of the death penalty hope for...

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

I must admit I do no thave the answer to that.

The harassment and such is probably a necessary evil, to be honest. Parents need to know if their children are at increased risk due to proximity to sex offenders.

Perhaps we could allow only registered parents to look at the list or something. Like I said, I don't have the answer. All I know is what I believe. One bad choice in life, even one like that, shouldn't doom a person to a life of ridicule, but ultimately I have to side with parents and the potetial victims on this one.

Well, how about keeping all criminal offenders that would have them do jailtime or forced psychological care on a "criminal offenders" list, instead of specify what crime they were found guilty of?

That way the parents won't be privy to the proscribed information about the nature of the crime, and the same goes for any employer who can't discriminate someone due to a specific crime, but they both simply have to choose to either risk it or simply refusing job applications/keeping their children away.

Being registered as a sex offender (at least in the U.S) can mean so many things. It can imply that you are either a fullblown rapist who beat your victims to near death, or that you accidentaly bumped into a coworker of the opposite sex "the wrong way" and, said coworker filed a suit of sexual harrassment and it got passed.

But once a person is on that list, they don't make much distinction other than branding everyone on that list a pervert and potential harm to children and women.

If the readers weren't privy to the exact nature of the crime they would have to make a decision with a little less bias behind it...

 

[TheRealCJ]

Monsters is taking the road a little far from Miami here I think!
they are sick, thats for sure! mentally ill bastards screwing with things that shouldn't be screwed for the next 16-2 years! they are nasty people... though I am a peaceloving bastard so ill give them a second chance, under doubt and supervision of course!
on pain of nudification! - seconds are Ok, third ain't!
Respect the underaged kids or loose your dick!
it's all up to you!
by the way what is a paedophile?

Just an alternate Spelling.