Poll: Should Parents have the right to force there religion on there kids ?

[rs2000]

Also No freaking way !
What happened to freedom of thought and such.

I went to a RC primary school & a RC secondary school & had to go to mass every sunday with my foster parents, my secondary school even had it's own church.

At the age of 10 my foster mum asked me if i wanted to go to church or not, i declined.

I am not catholic or even religious but it has given me a balanced moral out look on life.

 

[Seanchaidh]

if you count Nazi Germany as atheist

A state that worshiped Hitler and the ground he walked on hardly qualifies as 'atheist', and if that was the only thing wrong with it there wouldn't have been a war. And let's be real here: the fascist and Nazi ideologies were very much unlike most of what we recognize as 'religions'. They were far more than that. They succored themselves on conspiracy theories (such as the Protocol of the Elders of Zion hoax), populism, nationalism, and bullying. They were ideologies that were anti-communist and anti-democratic and that had legends of ancient racial supremacy. They were not dependent on people being religious, they were dependent on people with wounded national pride being desperate and credulous.

 

[JaredXE]

Right to? No.


But do you think you can stop them? Besides, let the little tykes figure out that you can interchange the stories told in the holy books with those told by the Grimm Bros. and H.C. Anderson. It's up to the individual to determine their own intellectual ideals and raise themselves above the sheep.

 

[veloper]

One thing is for sure, without parents passing on their religion to their kids, religions will fall apart.

When you teach kids objectively about the existance of more religions, they'll just treat different religion as they were competing brands.
Sure you may wind up with a handful of fanboys, if the religion doesn't demand too much from them, but the majority will just get on with their lives.

You'd also see many more irrelevant, tiny sects lead by charismatic gurus and con men.

 

[traceur_]

Of course they fucking should!

Kids don't need these bullshit freedoms, kids need to shut the fucking hell up and do what they're told. Parents should have every right to haul their kid off to church and kids only deserve the right to shut up and go along.

Look at how many atheists have had parents that forced religion on them. You'll see that people ultimately choose what they want. Kids are too stupid to decide for themselves anyway until about 16-17.

 

[Flying-Emu]

No But I also mean if I kid is 10,13,16 does he have the right to the freedom of thought

Of course he has the right to freedom of thought. That's something that you cannot take away from someone. Taking away their right to express that thought is different. A parent has no control over what her child thinks about, but she can control how he acts on that, to a certain degree.

I believe that they do, to a point. If the child openly says that he/she doesn't believe in that sort of thing, then the child should not have to go. HOWEVER, many younger children simply don't want to go because they'd rather stay home and watch Sunday morning cartoons than learn about Joseph and Isaac and whatnot. In which case it's actually BETTER for them to get out and romp around with other children and be with their family.

This allows the parents to show the child their religion (or lack thereof(which every parent should do)) while still letting the kid make the choice to be religious when he/she's old enough to comprehend the concept.

Note: I haven't read through the thread, but since this is a religion thread, I'm going to pretend that I did so that I can skip all the snipin' and flamin' that's undoubtedly happening.

 

[Flying-Emu]

I voted for the Fuck No. In fact, religion should be banned. 99% of wars are caused by it.

Like the American Civil War, (kind of) World War 1 and 2, The Cold War, Vietnam, The American Revolutionary War, The Norman Invasion, The 100 Year War, The War of The Roses, Alexander The Great's Conquest..... those, right?

religion should banned? Now who is forcing there view upon others?
For the record, I'm an atheist, I'm just anti-idiot as well.

are you sarcastic as most of those wars are cuased by religion i.e. Cold war

Are you ignorant or just misinformed? The Cold War was caused by the rift between Capitalist thinking and Communist thinking after they banded together to throw down their mutual enemy of Fascism. Religion had nothing to do with it, except in the VERY slightest manner that American leaders tended to be Christian whilst Russians tended towards Atheism.

The Cold War was a clash of ideologies in government, not religion. Do a little research next time.

Vietnam was caused by America being idiotic and trying to intervene in the spread of Communism into Southeast Asia. A proxy for the Cold War.

You're completely wrong on WWII. WWII was caused by the faulty treaties and unfair compromises that came out of WWI, specifically that of the German economy and the Circle of Debt. If you think that WWII was caused by the Jews, you're an idiot. WWII would have happened with the Jews or without. If you think that WWII happened because Hitler was a psychotic Catholic, you're an idiot. It would have happened either way.

I've not studied Alexander in years, but didn't his conquests begin because of personal finance issues?

 

[yaik7a]

I voted for the Fuck No. In fact, religion should be banned. 99% of wars are caused by it.

Like the American Civil War, (kind of) World War 1 and 2, The Cold War, Vietnam, The American Revolutionary War, The Norman Invasion, The 100 Year War, The War of The Roses, Alexander The Great's Conquest..... those, right?

religion should banned? Now who is forcing there view upon others?
For the record, I'm an atheist, I'm just anti-idiot as well.

are you sarcastic as most of those wars are cuased by religion i.e. Cold war

Are you ignorant or just misinformed? The Cold War was caused by the rift between Capitalist thinking and Communist thinking after they banded together to throw down their mutual enemy of Fascism. Religion had nothing to do with it, except in the VERY slightest manner that American leaders tended to be Christian whilst Russians tended towards Atheism.

The Cold War was a clash of ideologies in government, not religion. Do a little research next time.

Vietnam was caused by America being idiotic and trying to intervene in the spread of Communism into Southeast Asia. A proxy for the Cold War.

You're completely wrong on WWII. WWII was caused by the faulty treaties and unfair compromises that came out of WWI, specifically that of the German economy and the Circle of Debt. If you think that WWII was caused by the Jews, you're an idiot. WWII would have happened with the Jews or without. If you think that WWII happened because Hitler was a psychotic Catholic, you're an idiot. It would have happened either way.

I've not studied Alexander in years, but didn't his conquests begin because of personal finance issues?

Im Am not a fucktard my friend I know all that but the cold war did have some religious
themes as the west thought the "godless reds" with no morals were going to destroy there
nice apple pie eating church going life

 

[yaik7a]

No But I also mean if I kid is 10,13,16 does he have the right to the freedom of thought

Of course he has the right to freedom of thought. That's something that you cannot take away from someone. Taking away their right to express that thought is different. A parent has no control over what her child thinks about, but she can control how he acts on that, to a certain degree.

I believe that they do, to a point. If the child openly says that he/she doesn't believe in that sort of thing, then the child should not have to go. HOWEVER, many younger children simply don't want to go because they'd rather stay home and watch Sunday morning cartoons than learn about Joseph and Isaac and whatnot. In which case it's actually BETTER for them to get out and romp around with other children and be with their family.

This allows the parents to show the child their religion (or lack thereof(which every parent should do)) while still letting the kid make the choice to be religious when he/she's old enough to comprehend the concept.

Note: I haven't read through the thread, but since this is a religion thread, I'm going to pretend that I did so that I can skip all the snipin' and flamin' that's undoubtedly happening.

I do agree with but how is too say the teen (or intelligent children) who state they dont
believe in there parents religion but they force him or her to go or punish them
or worst of all send them to one of those camps

 

[yaik7a]

if you count Nazi Germany as atheist

A state that worshiped Hitler and the ground he walked on hardly qualifies as 'atheist', and if that was the only thing wrong with it there wouldn't have been a war. And let's be real here: the fascist and Nazi ideologies were very much unlike most of what we recognize as 'religions'. They were far more than that. They succored themselves on conspiracy theories (such as the Protocol of the Elders of Zion hoax), populism, nationalism, and bullying. They were ideologies that were anti-communist and anti-democratic and that had legends of ancient racial supremacy. They were not dependent on people being religious, they were dependent on people with wounded national pride being desperate and credulous.

Your complete right . I always thought Germans were atheists well I guess I do not have expertise in religions of fascist nations

 

[yaik7a]

I voted for the Fuck No. In fact, religion should be banned. 99% of wars are caused by it.

Like the American Civil War, (kind of) World War 1 and 2, The Cold War, Vietnam, The American Revolutionary War, The Norman Invasion, The 100 Year War, The War of The Roses, Alexander The Great's Conquest..... those, right?

religion should banned? Now who is forcing there view upon others?
For the record, I'm an atheist, I'm just anti-idiot as well.

are you sarcastic as most of those wars are cuased by religion i.e. Cold war

Please post back explaining which of those wars were caused by religion and how.

Atheism vs Christianity for about 3(4 if you count Nazi Germany as atheist) of them , Catholics vs protestants for 4 .

Please specify which ones you mean. Yes, I just realized that the war of rose was religious, sorry.

100 years war was caused by catholic protestant bad relations

 

[VargRaev]

FUCK NO!

Parents shouldnt force religion onto their children, but if the child ask them about religion they should tell them(from a neutral standpoint) about religion, ALL religion, not just christianity/islam/Jewishness(?).

 

[lwm3398]

Like the kid would resist. He is being taught that whatever religion they are teaching him is correct. It would hardly need to be forced.

 

[Zildjin81]

I voted for the Fuck No. In fact, religion should be banned. 99% of wars are caused by it.

Like the American Civil War, (kind of) World War 1 and 2, The Cold War, Vietnam, The American Revolutionary War, The Norman Invasion, The 100 Year War, The War of The Roses, Alexander The Great's Conquest..... those, right?

religion should banned? Now who is forcing there view upon others?
For the record, I'm an atheist, I'm just anti-idiot as well.

are you sarcastic as most of those wars are cuased by religion i.e. Cold war

Please post back explaining which of those wars were caused by religion and how.

Atheism vs Christianity for about 3(4 if you count Nazi Germany as atheist) of them , Catholics vs protestants for 4 .

Please specify which ones you mean. Yes, I just realized that the war of rose was religious, sorry.

100 years war was caused by catholic protestant bad relations

No, it was a struggle over the throne of France..... The War of the Roses was Catholic/Protestant.

So got any others?

 

[Lord George]

Yes parents should be able to present a religion to the child and bring them up with it as long as they don't do it an extreme/batshit crazy manner. Teaching your child about a magic man in the sky who wants everyone to love each other is fine. Teaching your child that they must kill the heretics and force there friends to convert or burn for all eternity is not ok.

 

[terraNivium]

I strongly believe against it, as tradition is the whole reason for religion becoming so preveliant in modern society. Im pretty sure there isn't anything in the bible about child baptism either.

 

[Flying-Emu]

Im Am not a fucktard my friend I know all that but the cold war did have some religious
themes as the west thought the "godless reds" with no morals were going to destroy there
nice apple pie eating church going life

...

What?

You're kidding, right? You're equating propaganda... to reasoning for going to war?

 

[Soxafloppin]

my mum made me go to church as a kid, i dont believe in god...the concept just seems silly and like fantasy to me.