Poll: So.... The Jimquisition

[dantoddd]

I enjoy it, i think once you look past the humor you can find some interesting views and points on gaming.

That's my problem. Even when i look past the bad jokes i don't see anything worthwhile in there.

I don't like him at all. He just seems...fake. Bring back Lisa's Top Five!

What happened to that show?

 

[Realitycrash]

Also how does the "Don't like, don't watch" mentality?" not work?
If its the "bad representation of the website" crap then I'll end my conversation with you now.

The flawed argument of ?If you don?t like it, then don?t watch it?

I?m sure plenty of you must have heard this argument, and it usually happens because of one single reason: you criticized a Youtube reviewer hence labeled a troll.

Well, don?t worry about it: this argument is as flawed as it can get since it?s used by trolls and fanboys alike to defend their ?new? ?comedic? ?God?.

There are mainly two problems with this sort of argument, both focusing mainly on the hypocrisy of it, twisting and twirling around it like mad vultures flying around a rotten animal carcass.

The first flaw is quite basic: it can be applied to anyone, anywhere, on the slightest flinch, which is the first sign of a dumb phrase. To put it simply, if one tells you ?if you don?t like it, then don?t watch it? to a critical comment you wrote on somebody?s YouTube channel, then by only saying ?if you don?t like my comment, then don?t read it?, it all pretty much falls to pieces right there.

This is where the whole thing falls apart in the bad antics display that always infect the fanboy hive mind, this phrase is always considered to be ?the phrase? to be used if you want to sound smart, sassy, and just an overall master of comebacks?and it very well might be.

But it isn?t due to the wrong concept and poor timing of it or the standard use by the YouTube hive mind. It also comes down to; whoever?s using it is likely a dumb and silly little troll.

In short: It really makes no sense to demand somebody who just watched something from YouTube (which is actually public for a reason) NOT to say anything bad about it and to DEMMAND that they close the window and say nothing about it all.
HOW IS THAT EVEN SUPPOSED TO WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE? YouTube comments in the end aren?t there only to spew positive comments to whatever video there is since luckily for us, we?re not trapped in a world where everybody has the same taste. To demand not to say ANYTHING bad to ANYBODY is a human impossibility to the nth degree, since, if such thing was even possible we wouldn?t have YouTube reviewers to begin with.

If criticism is what you?re watching, then criticism is what you?ll receive all the time, not praise. That?s how the real world works, and that?s how it will always work: ?If I watch something something and don?t like it, I have all the reasons to point out why I didn?t like it.?

The standard trolls of the hive mind think of the argument as perfect and flawless, when they don?t see that their simple phrase can be used ad continuum thanks to the inherent flaw of it trying to be used to stop a comment which, in reality, is nothing more than a simple opinion piece, or a review even, and that?s what brings us to the second and perhaps most hurtful flaw:

You?re using the argument to protect A REVIEWER from receiving negative comments, when a reviewer actually watches stuff he doesn?t likes and rant about it endlessly to begin with (a.k.a: hypocrisy). This point is far easier to point out due to the natural INAPLIABILITY to the whole thing and how absurd the argument gets when it goes full circle and that you boil it down to one single thing:

This isn't youtube, though. You have watched Jim once, and you decided "Okey, I don't like it". So nothing prevents you from not watching him a second time. Just because it's there, doesn't mean you have to click.

 

[Realitycrash]

I enjoy it, i think once you look past the humor you can find some interesting views and points on gaming.

That's my problem. Even when i look past the bad jokes i don't see anything worthwhile in there.

I don't like him at all. He just seems...fake. Bring back Lisa's Top Five!

What happened to that show?

Boob-lady gone? YAY!

 

[weker]

http://thebusystreet.com/2011/01/12/dont-like-it-dont-watch-it/

In other words, anything said can be turned around.
It does not really work when you think about it.

"you CRITICIZED a Youtube reviewer hence labeled a troll."

Now the big thing about this is I am trying to STOP his show being removed due to people disliking the show.
People can make criticism about the show all they want, but people also want it to be removed.
I agree with the "If you don't like it, then don't watch it" when its is about criticizing something, but this is different, as its about a show that ppl want removed as they don't enjoy it.

Edit: I agree with the "http://thebusystreet.com/2011/01/12/dont-like-it-dont-watch-it/" when its is about criticizing

 

[Still Life]

I love it and I love how he's challenging gamers to take a different perspective on all things Gaming.

 

[Knife-28]

You know what, it's been said before, but I'll say it again;

[HEADING=3]If you don't like the show,
DON'T.
WATCH.
IT.[/HEADING]​

Simple as that, as someone said before, there's manythings I don't like on The Escapist, do I go around saying 'Oh, show X is aughful for Z and Y reasons', no, I get ignore it and the threads about it.

That said, I don't mind the few episodes I've seen, it's not the best, but it's not horrible either.

 

[Spacelord]

Not a fan. Seems like the Escapist went like "Ooh, Yahtzee sure got popular, let's see if we can find another guy willing to rant on a soapbox!" and then we got Moviebob. Then they figured "Hey maybe we can just tape any old fat guy and call it a day" and that's where they're wrong

 

[Don't taze me bro]

I'm sure I responded in another thread with the exact same name recently. I've frequented Destructoid for a while now, and Jim is the games editor there. I really like him. I appreciate his humour, but I often don't agree with him (like on pre-owned games).

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

http://thebusystreet.com/2011/01/12/dont-like-it-dont-watch-it/

In other words, anything said can be turned around.
It does not really work when you think about it.

"you CRITICIZED a Youtube reviewer hence labeled a troll."

Now the big thing about this is I am trying to STOP his show being removed due to people disliking the show.
People can make criticism about the show all they want, but people also want it to be removed.
I agree with the "If you don't like it, then don't watch it" when its is about criticizing something, but this is different, as its about a show that ppl want removed as they don't enjoy it.

Edit: I agree with the "http://thebusystreet.com/2011/01/12/dont-like-it-dont-watch-it/" when its is about criticizing

The point behind it is that "Don't like, don't watch" can just as easily be applied to what people have to say in response

"Don't like my super-negativity? Don't read it."

And yes, Busy Street is a fun website. I wrote for them not to long agao.

 

[Zulnam]

After watching 3 minutes of the first episode, I had many questions: Who is this guy? Why do I care about his opinion? Why is his opinion so important that he needs to post video content on the internet? Is he trying to be boring? Why is he doing such a pitiful "angry man" impersonation?

His show should disappear not because I don't like it or because it's bad, but because it's mediocre, and the more mediocrity we accept the more dumb we get. You might say "well I like it", but don't ignore the fact that more people voted "no" in the poll than "yes".

This is a typical modern issue that appeared like worms after a storm since Youtube: the "I am a person and I need to express my opinion to the world because I have something to say" issue. Everybody wants to speak but nobody's listening.

 

[Generalzdave]

His show was pretty hard to watch at first, I got the same emotions I get when watching a sitcom on the Disney Channel. I hate the characters, the humor induces vomiting, and any lessons or ideas are skewed to get a reaction of some kind from the audience. He has certainly improved, however, there isn't any doubt about that. It's just not quite there, though. The concept I like, shows like his always do relatively well on this site, so he did it correctly in that category. It's the way he does it that he needs to work on. I think he needs to work like someone in a dark room, feeling around until he finds the light switch.

 

[weker]

http://thebusystreet.com/2011/01/12/dont-like-it-dont-watch-it/

In other words, anything said can be turned around.
It does not really work when you think about it.

"you CRITICIZED a Youtube reviewer hence labeled a troll."

Now the big thing about this is I am trying to STOP his show being removed due to people disliking the show.
People can make criticism about the show all they want, but people also want it to be removed.
I agree with the "If you don't like it, then don't watch it" when its is about criticizing something, but this is different, as its about a show that ppl want removed as they don't enjoy it.

Edit: I agree with the "http://thebusystreet.com/2011/01/12/dont-like-it-dont-watch-it/" when its is about criticizing

The point behind it is that "Don't like, don't watch" can just as easily be applied to what people have to say in response

"Don't like my super-negativity? Don't read it."

And yes, Busy Street is a fun website. I wrote for them not to long agao.

Yes it can be applied to that but it is still not relevant.
Im fine with negativity about the show but people want the show REMOVED which is not on in my books, that is where the "dont watch it" comes into play. criticizing a show is fair game but wanting it removed just because you don't is not.
Just to add not wanting a show on a website is fine, however bombarding it with threads to show the majorities dislike towards it and threads wanting it removed is not on.

 

[Dr Jones]

He has some points, i mean he was right about lots of stuff in the COD episode, but some of his other episodes are pure shit! (no offence). The worst one is "ways Sony can regain my trust", i thought it was a waste of an episode where he could talk about things that matters. Basically he just said what he thought they could do, which is fine, but not when it's just about cool games they could make. I have a huge list for that!

But again, sometimes he is spot on.

 

[putowtin]

I'm always willing to give anyone a chance, didn't like the first ep, but kept watching. Now I have to be honest and say, "I'm not watching this again" it's unfunny and the important revelations are ones most of us had ages ago, give it up Jim!

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Also how does the "Don't like, don't watch" mentality?" not work?
If its the "bad representation of the website" crap then I'll end my conversation with you now.

The flawed argument of ?If you don?t like it, then don?t watch it?

I?m sure plenty of you must have heard this argument, and it usually happens because of one single reason: you criticized a Youtube reviewer hence labeled a troll.

Well, don?t worry about it: this argument is as flawed as it can get since it?s used by trolls and fanboys alike to defend their ?new? ?comedic? ?God?.

There are mainly two problems with this sort of argument, both focusing mainly on the hypocrisy of it, twisting and twirling around it like mad vultures flying around a rotten animal carcass.

The first flaw is quite basic: it can be applied to anyone, anywhere, on the slightest flinch, which is the first sign of a dumb phrase. To put it simply, if one tells you ?if you don?t like it, then don?t watch it? to a critical comment you wrote on somebody?s YouTube channel, then by only saying ?if you don?t like my comment, then don?t read it?, it all pretty much falls to pieces right there.

This is where the whole thing falls apart in the bad antics display that always infect the fanboy hive mind, this phrase is always considered to be ?the phrase? to be used if you want to sound smart, sassy, and just an overall master of comebacks?and it very well might be.

But it isn?t due to the wrong concept and poor timing of it or the standard use by the YouTube hive mind. It also comes down to; whoever?s using it is likely a dumb and silly little troll.

In short: It really makes no sense to demand somebody who just watched something from YouTube (which is actually public for a reason) NOT to say anything bad about it and to DEMMAND that they close the window and say nothing about it all.
HOW IS THAT EVEN SUPPOSED TO WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE? YouTube comments in the end aren?t there only to spew positive comments to whatever video there is since luckily for us, we?re not trapped in a world where everybody has the same taste. To demand not to say ANYTHING bad to ANYBODY is a human impossibility to the nth degree, since, if such thing was even possible we wouldn?t have YouTube reviewers to begin with.

If criticism is what you?re watching, then criticism is what you?ll receive all the time, not praise. That?s how the real world works, and that?s how it will always work: ?If I watch something something and don?t like it, I have all the reasons to point out why I didn?t like it.?

The standard trolls of the hive mind think of the argument as perfect and flawless, when they don?t see that their simple phrase can be used ad continuum thanks to the inherent flaw of it trying to be used to stop a comment which, in reality, is nothing more than a simple opinion piece, or a review even, and that?s what brings us to the second and perhaps most hurtful flaw:

You?re using the argument to protect A REVIEWER from receiving negative comments, when a reviewer actually watches stuff he doesn?t likes and rant about it endlessly to begin with (a.k.a: hypocrisy). This point is far easier to point out due to the natural INAPLIABILITY to the whole thing and how absurd the argument gets when it goes full circle and that you boil it down to one single thing:

This isn't youtube, though. You have watched Jim once, and you decided "Okey, I don't like it". So nothing prevents you from not watching him a second time. Just because it's there, doesn't mean you have to click.

And let's say person "A" really hated the show after seeing it once, and is saying negative things about it. The standard forum response seems to be "You have to give him more of a chance, see more episodes". When they do and still don't like it, the "Don't like, don't watch" response is brought into play, with ends any criticism.

 

[Sharalon]

He's great!

I don't get why haters even care anyway. There are a few shows here on the escapist that I don't really like, but I don't feel the need to tell everyone how much I don't like it.

Don't like it? Don't watch it. Simple.

EDIT: Oh, he is awesome in Extra Consideration!

 

[Soxafloppin]

Wasn't Keen at the start, He's grown on me and im a regular viewer now. I prefer Moviebob and Yahtzee, but hes certainly better that allot of shows.

 

[Pegghead]

I like his points, and considering what brought me to this place I'm a sucker for crass, loud-mouthed game journalists with British accents.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Yes it can be applied to that but it is still not relevant.
Im fine with negativity about the show but people want the show REMOVED which is not on in my books, that is where the "dont watch it" comes into play. criticizing a show is fair game but wanting it removed just because you don't is not.
Just to add not wanting a show on a website is fine, however bombarding it with threads to show the majorities dislike towards it and threads wanting it removed is not on.

So people are not allowed to express that they don't like somthing and thus want it removed?

Are you saying that people have no right to complain about something at request it is removed?

Because I could invoke all sorts of examples of why that does not work

I see your point, I really do. But you cannot demand that the show stay simply because you like it.