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Oh glorious anime watchers of the Escapist, I come among you with a simple query. What do you think of Kill La Kill?

I remember a thread a few weeks ago discussing the design of of the heroine, but all's been silent since then, and I was just wondering what peoples opinions were.

For me, it's pretty good. It's funny and the art style is pretty unique (so far as I know, anyway). The ecchiness is... more than a little OTT, but it fits the tone of the show, and it's never enough to distract from the story. The fight scenes are vibrant and well animated, and the world that the story creates, whilst a bit empty so far, is interesting.

Anyway, that's my opinion. Tell me, mighty Escapists, what do you think?
 

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I love it. There has been other threads about it, and I'll mention again that your enjoyment really depends on whether or not you like that particular group's other work (Gurren Lagann, FLCL, Panty and Stocking) and their particular style of animation. A lot of people can get behind the over-the-top nature of their shows and have fun with it, while others who are looking for something more cerebral and complex will find them incredibly dumb and look down on them for being juvenile. I love them, I love their style, I've been a fan of theirs since I was a kid, and FLCL is my all-time favorite anime.

A lot of people complain about the fanservice, though. I don't have a problem with it because considering that group other work, it's nothing new nor is it surprising, and it's used for more of a comedic effect rather than to titalize. Fanservice doesn't make the difference between a good anime and a bad one.

Also, I like the name.
 
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I fucking love it.

The humour is right up my alley, and it doesn't take itself too seriously, as well as being a parody of quite a few anime tropes.

It's a love letter, but it takes the piss.

Love it.
 

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I've watched two eps so far and I'm liking it, I really am.

Here's hoping it doesn't become a disappointment like Sword Art Online, or have a non-ending like Btoom.
 

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Episode 4 was absolutely incredible.
I hope more stuff like that happens in the show.
 

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It's like Metal Gear Rising in the sense that it's dumb, self aware of said dumbness, and revels in it.

Only part I don't like is the hyper-fanservice. Though the fact that it's done for parody, commentary, and satire rather than arousal makes it less annoying. Other than that, anime is saved. I think I might give Gurren Lagann a try now, actually.
 

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I've only seen one episode of it so far, but I'm totally on board. This show is the most anime thing I've ever seen. Like Gurren Lagann, it completely embodies the core of what anime is, and takes it to the most ridiculous degree it can, and it's fantastic.
 

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evilneko said:
I've watched two eps so far and I'm liking it, I really am.

Here's hoping it doesn't become a disappointment like Sword Art Online, or have a non-ending like Btoom.
I'm pretty sure Btooom is supposed to get more seasons, or am I mistaken?
 

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Mmmm.

I'm kind of on the fence about it as of late, but I'm leaning towards the "I'm enjoying this" side a bit more.

Ya see, Gurren Lagann's one of my favorite anime, and I'm glad Hiroyuki Imaishi made a new studio so that he and his animator buddies could be rid of the limitations on creativity in the industry, but right now, they're do not doing as well as I thought.

I thought Kill la Kill was going to be polished as all hell because Little Witch Academia was so impressive in a visual sense. But is see you can't really get Gainax levels of quality right out of the gate with these guys. I mean, they are a new studio and all, and I can understand that they need to conserve as much budget as possible, but some of the scenes just look "blech" from an animation standpoint. (World design, music, and overall atmosphere is beyond excellent, though.)

Also, the use of some of the flash animation is just terribad. Although, when it's used for comedic purposes (most of Mako's scenes and pretty much all of episode 4) I don't mind. Heck, I loved the hell out of Inferno Cop, and that's all terrible flash animation. By the same studio, no less.

But when they promised over-the-top action, they didn't disappoint. The action in this series is the reason to watch, even if the animation and quality can be a bit all over the place. The story, I feel, gets in the way, and is trying way too hard to be serious with Satsuki. We need more episode 4's in the series. More episodes that don't give two shits and are just plain fun to watch without needing you to use your brain.

Soo... yeah. Those are my thoughts on the show so far. It's good, but the quality does vary, and the story needs to stop being so serious with Satsuki. Hopefully it embraces it's utter insanity by the end, which results in a climax that will CHANGE ANIME FOREVER.
 

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The sexual politics of this show make me deeply uncomfortable.

The show isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, and I'll concede to admitting that it has been pretty entertaining, but the way the show handles its female characters feels more retrograde than I'm used to for Anime; and I'm used to rather retrograde sexual politics in these kinds of shows.

I mean, think about this for a second: Ryoko starts the show being relatively self-confident, but finds that the *only way* she can compete and accomplish her mission is to have a skimpy uniform forced onto her--a costume that, by her own admission, she is deeply uncomfortable wearing because of how revealing it is--and her problems only go away once she is conditioned into accepting her incredibly uncomfortable clothing.

And then there's tons upon tons of anime fans proclaiming how "awesome" this show is.

I mean, at least Yoko (TTGL) had a degree of agency in her clothing choices, you know?

So.... yeah. Again, not a bad show, but deeply problematic on a thematic level.
 

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Zak757 said:
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I think I might give Gurren Lagann a try now, actually.
You sayin' you didn't watch Gurren Lagann... before watching Kill la Kill?


Son, I am massive disappoint.​
That's some of Imaishi's best work. One of the best shows you'll ever watch in human history. It puts hair on your chest and drops your balls like no other.

It is the epitome of manly anime. It is also the only anime I put in the "Explosion Porn" category.

Watch it.

And after you're done with Gurren Lagann, be sure to watch his other show, Panty & Stocking With Garterbelt. It's a dirty, perverted take on western animation, but has some of the best, stylized animation I've ever seen. Here's the first episode.
 

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Dirty Hipsters said:
evilneko said:
I've watched two eps so far and I'm liking it, I really am.

Here's hoping it doesn't become a disappointment like Sword Art Online, or have a non-ending like Btoom.
I'm pretty sure Btooom is supposed to get more seasons, or am I mistaken?
I really hope so. Obviously our star-crossed lovers get off the island somehow, and kill and suffer while doing it, but how? I must know. OR maybe they don't. They fail in their quest. But how dammit? It's not enough to tell me they succeed or fail. To me, this is a foregone conclusion. The important part, the point of the story, is how.

But enough about that.

I hate getting into a currently-airing show. I don't like watching one episode a week (or every several weeks, in the case of Yamato 2199!). :(

But Kill la Kill is just too fun.
 
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Weaver said:
Episode 4 was absolutely incredibly.
I hope more stuff like that happens in the show.
I just watched episode 4 myself.

I think it's possibly one of the single best episodes of anything I've ever watched.

Ever.

I couldn't stop smiling through the entire thing.
 

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I absolutely love it.
The animation is top notch (I firmly believe, that from an animation perspective, this is art), and they're telling a story in very much the same manner as stuff like FLCL (which, as far as people calling it dumb I just can't understand. FLCL - and Kill la Kill with it - is a brilliant examination of storytelling by drawing the possibilities of animation to the extreme. And I love how the creators are inspired by Cartoon network style animation.)
Have you watched FLCL more than once? Have you explored any of the myriad interacting storylines after having watched it through so you understand what's going on?

And that's the defing trait of Trigger, I believe. They draw things to the extreme and show off their brilliance.
Every moment of in-universe time is packed with more information than I've ever seen in an anime.
Hell, episode four was
in its entirety a 3 hour morning commute and nothing more.

As for the fanservice:
Like anything, Trigger handles it by drawing it to its extreme conclusion. That is to say they, tongue firmly planted in cheek, let it play a major role in the central themes of the series.
I don't know if you people have watched the intro with the English translation, but if you read the lyrics you'll see some nice juxtaposition between the themes of the lyrics and what goes on on screen while she undergoes that beyond ridiculously pervy transformation scene (note also how her boobs flap in the Anime OP Coloumn of wind[sup][small]TM[/small][/sup] revealing a level of self-awareness I was honestly not expecting.).
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Weaver said:
Episode 4 was absolutely incredible.
I hope more stuff like that happens in the show.
I just watched episode 4 myself.

I think it's possibly one of the single best episodes of anything I've ever watched.

Ever.

I couldn't stop smiling through the entire thing.
I very much agree. I was seriously, seriously impressed with it. And, to be honest, I was kind of surprised the show did a full on comedy episode. While it's never been a serious show by ANY stretch of the imagination, E4 was pretty goddamn hilarious. It was incredibly funny and creative and I'm super excited for what the future of the show has in store.

If it keeps up being that great it might rocket into my top anime shows.
 

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evilneko said:
Dirty Hipsters said:
evilneko said:
I've watched two eps so far and I'm liking it, I really am.

Here's hoping it doesn't become a disappointment like Sword Art Online, or have a non-ending like Btoom.
I'm pretty sure Btooom is supposed to get more seasons, or am I mistaken?
I really hope so. Obviously our star-crossed lovers get off the island somehow, and kill and suffer while doing it, but how? I must know. OR maybe they don't. They fail in their quest. But how dammit? It's not enough to tell me they succeed or fail. To me, this is a foregone conclusion. The important part, the point of the story, is how.
You could always read the manga. Although assuming that there will be a second season then you'd just end up spoiling the anime for yourself.
 

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Honestly the last time an anime had ever get me so psych up was Gurren Lagaan!
Seriously every time they had played "Don't lose your way" song just automatically pump me for epicness!!

So yeah I have been loving the anime so far despite I'm not too fond of the openning song (I definitle going to buy it on DVD since I only buy anime dvd for the shows I loved).

As for the whole ecchi thing, I have seen worse (Queen Blade and Highschool of the Dead come to mind) and also I had read this blogpost that made an interesting point that the whole skippy uniform/ battle suit is a metaphor for puberty.
http://skaboyjfk.tumblr.com/post/64402552228/in-the-right-order-this-time-oops
 

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It shows crazy stuff going real fast. I guess that constitutes quality these days.

As opposed to Little Witch Academia which didn't have nearly enough tits, ass, and "hoorah" speech. But it's okay since Kill la Kill points to it's own stupid anime cliches and laughs, so now it's brilliant. Post-ironic skeezing is totally fine.

Apparently this is now also the savior of anime for doing the exact same thing that's been killing anime for the past decade.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
It shows crazy stuff going real fast. I guess that constitutes quality these days.

As opposed to Little Witch Academia which didn't have nearly enough tits, ass, and "hoorah" speech. But it's okay since Kill la Kill points to it's own stupid anime cliches and laughs, so now it's brilliant. Post-ironic skeezing is totally fine.

Apparently this is now also the savior of anime for doing the exact same thing that's been killing anime for the past decade.
I can't say for sure what exactly Kill la Kill does differently from other anime that does the same thing that makes it better. Maybe it's just that I find the humor much better here, or that I like the style and animation better, or maybe it is simply because it revels in it's own insanity that makes it fun to watch, but whatever it is, it just simply works for me in a way that others don't.

And I don't think it's "saving" anime, as I've always felt that there was nothing to really save. Every year I usually find several new anime that I like, and some I even love, so I don't think anime is dying nor do I think anything is killing it.
 

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Xirema said:
The sexual politics of this show make me deeply uncomfortable.
Scarim Coral said:
As for the whole ecchi thing, I have seen worse (Queen Blade and Highschool of the Dead come to mind) and also I had read this blogpost that made an interesting point that the whole skippy uniform/ battle suit is a metaphor for puberty.
http://skaboyjfk.tumblr.com/post/64402552228/in-the-right-order-this-time-oops
Yes, that was a very good visual guide.
I was wanting to write something myself about how some of the central themes in the series are empowerment (particularly female empowerment) and coming of age. I'll say it again: Watch the opening and ending credits with subtitles. The lyrics aren't just some random junk (note, for example, how the lyrics to the transformation sequence are "I hold my destiny in my own hands"). And the lyrics to the ending honestly get quite disturbing at a point (although I don't quite get what those lyrics mean yet).

I mean, watch episode four:
Matoi is a strong independent young woman (They make a point of this in episode 4 where she is being relied upon by the girl with the injured arm, yet motivates her to be strong herself and flatter her in quite the "Kamina to Simon" way when she takes initiative and shows strength by steering that bus).
Even without the Kamui, her feats of athleticism are quite impressive. Trigger does a very good job of treating their main character like a main character in an action anime the same way they would've if it was a man or a boy in all aspects of the show where sexual and gender themes aren't involved. I think they are handling it quite masterfully.

This is why I don't get why some people are supposedly put off by the "fanservice". Kill la kill is in my opinion one of the least sexist shows I've watched. Not by virtue of censoring themselves and "being sensitive to females", but by virtue of taking women and the issues that are unique to them seriously. They're not using female sexuality as a cheap ploy to pull in viewers with some eyecandy: They're making it one of the central themes and treat it in a myriad of ways, delving pretty deep into the theme, e.g., the silly-but-harmless joking around in a family setting and between girls "Ryuko totally has big boobs"; the allusions to puberty with the Kamui's drinking blood and granting her a new and embarassing appearance (feel familiar, girls? Remember that if you cannot accept your form for what it is, your embarassment and self-consciousness will only hinder you and be in your way. To be truly strong and free you need to love what you are, and that involves every last inch of your body even if you're put off by the fact that your body makes people want to ogle you.); and don't get me started on the wedding allegories (*cough* wedding dress in ending credits *cough*). Her relationship with Senketsu is already at such an intimate level that they are like lovers. (Note how Senketsu spits out the blood from that other girl)
The wedding is when you finally become a full woman in the old traditional gender views. And here the "wedding" being referred to is when you finally come to peace with your form and become one with the suit that makes you look embarassing. It's also when you become one with your partner and form a deeper bond.

Compared to something like High school of the dead which is pretty much almost disgustingly exploitative, I just don't understand how many people don't seem to see that this is a brilliant statement about the state of the industry and coming of age from a female perspective. Even though it's a mecha-derived heavy action series. You can bet your ass that if Hollywood starred a woman in the lead role of their next big blockbuster action movie, they wouldn't handle it nearly as well as Trigger is doing.
Because what Trigger is realizing and acting on is that women, amazingly, are people too; perfectly capable of experiencing the same depth of thought and being the subject of a deep-diving coming of age story like FLCL was.

Trigger likes sexuality. In their male centered series they've been throwing male sexuality here and there with little discretion. And these people are pretty damn fond of phallus symbols.

I mean, think about this for a second: Ryoko starts the showmiddle/high-school being relatively self-confident, but finds that the *only way* she can compete and accomplish her missiongrow up is to have a skimpy uniformnew sexual body forced onto her--a costumebody that, by her own admission, she is deeply uncomfortable wearing because of how revealing it is--and her problems only go away once she is conditioned into accepting her incredibly uncomfortable clothingcomes to accept herself.
I think if we apply some metaphor to your post, you've actually articulated really well what puberty feels like for a lot of girls.
If you don't believe me, find someone (preferrably someone who started growing big breasts and a mature body pretty early on. Those girls go through some heavy shit I'll tell you) and ask them what puberty was like.