Poll: Spawnkilling and you!
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The way I see spawnkills:
If they're in my spawn: I shouldn't have let them into my spawn in the first place. If I want to stop it, I should stay alive so I can go and clear it out when my teammates report trouble, instead of dying and letting myself become vulnerable. You're always responsible for your own deaths, no matter how long the cause and effect chain is. Even if they throw a grenade halfway across the map and it blows up in your face, it's still your fault for standing in a place where grenades fall! Chess players don't complain when they lose because they didn't see it coming, they realize they should have planned for that contingency.
If I reach their spawn: They have to deal with me. That's the point. They will have fewer people to attack objectives, and fewer to defend objectives, because they left a hole open in their lines. It's their fault for dying, not mine. I didn't plow my way over there just so I can stop and say "Ooooops, sorry I got so far into your territory, I'll take a few steps back and run around in the open so you can come out and shoot at me." The enemy can 1) Bring people off the front line to deal with me 2) Invade my territory so that I need to go and deal with it 3) Keep trying to kill me as they spawn in 4) Lose as a consequence of their inadequate defense.
If they're in my spawn: I shouldn't have let them into my spawn in the first place. If I want to stop it, I should stay alive so I can go and clear it out when my teammates report trouble, instead of dying and letting myself become vulnerable. You're always responsible for your own deaths, no matter how long the cause and effect chain is. Even if they throw a grenade halfway across the map and it blows up in your face, it's still your fault for standing in a place where grenades fall! Chess players don't complain when they lose because they didn't see it coming, they realize they should have planned for that contingency.
If I reach their spawn: They have to deal with me. That's the point. They will have fewer people to attack objectives, and fewer to defend objectives, because they left a hole open in their lines. It's their fault for dying, not mine. I didn't plow my way over there just so I can stop and say "Ooooops, sorry I got so far into your territory, I'll take a few steps back and run around in the open so you can come out and shoot at me." The enemy can 1) Bring people off the front line to deal with me 2) Invade my territory so that I need to go and deal with it 3) Keep trying to kill me as they spawn in 4) Lose as a consequence of their inadequate defense.
Well I guess its less spawnkilling and more carpet-the-exit-with-stickybombs-and-sentries-just-out-of-spawn-killing.bobknowsall said:
Ever set up a 2 man team of engineers and build level 3 sentrys outside the enemy team's spawn points on TwoFort on TF2? If a team actually allows two engineers to max out thier sentrys in a base they don't control, then they disserve it.
If I get Spawnkilled once I'll go 'hey that was rubbish.' And shrug if off. If its a game where spawn points are fixed and they're trying to kill me repeatedly I'll return the favor.
If a woman flew onto my lap with no pants she deserves to be raped.
And what if you just join the server? Of if you're trying to stop them yourself but they beat you because you have no help?Ph0t0n1c Ph34r said:
If a woman flew onto my lap with no pants she deserves to be raped.
I usually spawn in, look at my weapon (usually some form of pistol) long enough to realize it's futile, then get shot by the forty people who randomly spawned in with rocket launchers at the start of the match. We always play random weapons.
The deepest circle of hell is reserved for betrayers and spawncampers.
It's just weak and no fun for anyone involved.
On COD4 ambush there is a corner you spawn from facing into the map. I saw a guy camp behind the spawn point (as far into the corner as he could fit) so you appear almost within knife distance with your back to him. The guy killed my once, he had a chopper by the time I'd respawned and run across the map to frag him. Makes me miss the spawn gibs from quake.
I assumed the guy was recovering from a recent vagina transplant.
It's just weak and no fun for anyone involved.
On COD4 ambush there is a corner you spawn from facing into the map. I saw a guy camp behind the spawn point (as far into the corner as he could fit) so you appear almost within knife distance with your back to him. The guy killed my once, he had a chopper by the time I'd respawned and run across the map to frag him. Makes me miss the spawn gibs from quake.
I assumed the guy was recovering from a recent vagina transplant.
It's not my usual strategy, but if I find myself close to the enemy spawn (like in TF2) I'm going to make the most of it. If the action is already further ahead, they won't expect any enemies and ambushing them is easy. However, I don't go out of my way to get to the enemy spawn, so when it happens it's just random occurence and chance that gives the opportunity.
to behonest i dont think its really happen to me that much its happen to me a couple of times before but nothing for me to have an issue about it
I don't do it. I have a rule that I don't shoot anyone at spawn unless they shoot at me. Sometimes I'm wandering around the map and find my way into the enemy base. I try to get out as soon as I can, but sometimes I'm not fast enough. Someone spawns and starts shooting at me. You can't call it spawn killing if they shot at you first, so that's when it's acceptable to shoot. I play a lot of slow paced games with no respawning such as Counter Strike and Gears 2, so I rarely have to worry about spawnkillers. I do have to deal with campers, though...
Yeah, but when you're a Spy who doesn't take part in base defense, the incompetence of your teammates makes this situation very annoying.Ph0t0n1c Ph34r said:
In some games it's the opposite. People who are killed start with 3 seconds of invincibility... BUT... the retarded game devs decided to make random respawns so sometimes the asshole spawns right behind you and is invincible and gets a cheap kill...
Spawn Killing and Spawned Killing wouldn't happen if game developers took 1 fucking second to prevent spawn killing without using random respawns.
Spawn Killing and Spawned Killing wouldn't happen if game developers took 1 fucking second to prevent spawn killing without using random respawns.
It doesn't happen as much nowadays, thankfully, because the way developers set up spawnpoints has improved but back in my PS2 days I remember how horrible some spawnpoints were. Socom 3 was a prime example of spawn camping at it's worse.
The spawns seemed to be designed in a way that they actually encouraged camping on them. On some of the small maps you had a single spawn point and if the enemy managed to take control of any highground overlooking your spawn, your whole team was done.
Whats worse is that as soon as players found this out most matches ended up being games of "lets see which team can manage to get a fully auto M60 with bipod laying prone in front of the other teams spawn all while chucking grenades from m203s".
With all that said I'm not whining about it because I eventually became really, really good at locking down a spawnpoint but I knew it was cheap as hell to do so.
TL
R: Spawn camping used to be a lot worse so it doesn't really bother me nowadays.
The spawns seemed to be designed in a way that they actually encouraged camping on them. On some of the small maps you had a single spawn point and if the enemy managed to take control of any highground overlooking your spawn, your whole team was done.
Whats worse is that as soon as players found this out most matches ended up being games of "lets see which team can manage to get a fully auto M60 with bipod laying prone in front of the other teams spawn all while chucking grenades from m203s".
With all that said I'm not whining about it because I eventually became really, really good at locking down a spawnpoint but I knew it was cheap as hell to do so.
TL
R: Spawn camping used to be a lot worse so it doesn't really bother me nowadays.
If I've spawn-killed, it was because I had too beautiful a shot/grenade toss lined up to waste it.
I dont intentionally spawn kill but if someone spawns in front of my im not gonna ignore them.
I also dont have any problems with people camping spawn zones although I have had some bad luck spawning like when I spawned in front of my teammate right before the sniper shot and he got both of us with a head shot.
I also dont have any problems with people camping spawn zones although I have had some bad luck spawning like when I spawned in front of my teammate right before the sniper shot and he got both of us with a head shot.
Ah yes, the spy. If just one sentry is destroyed then the entire plan is screwed.bobknowsall said:
What was really fucking annoying... COD4 on shipment with like a 10-15 second spawn time, and douche bag campers spraying M60's on every spawn point...
I blame my ability to spawn kill on the lack of skill on the enemy team.
If you allow me to get that far into your base, or I am good enough to get that far in, you can bet I'm going viking on the spawning teams ass.
Or in call of duty's case, its a shitty game mechanic, therefor no fault of my own when he pops down RIGHT in front of me. what am i supposed to do?
If you allow me to get that far into your base, or I am good enough to get that far in, you can bet I'm going viking on the spawning teams ass.
Or in call of duty's case, its a shitty game mechanic, therefor no fault of my own when he pops down RIGHT in front of me. what am i supposed to do?