Poll: Speed knifing in MW2

[MiracleOfSound]

Ok great, I'll just walk around the maps backwards from now on. Thanks.

Dont be stupid. If you see a knifer running at you you walk backwards while shooting him. If you didnt see him then it really doenst matter what his class is because he was going to kill you anyways.

Im saying their is tons of very easy counters to the knifing strategy. If you refuse to do any of them then you really dont have any right to complain. Its not the games fault you refuse to take the appropriate methods to kill something. Its kind of like complaining the harrier is killing you. Pick up a stinger and shoot it or use cold blooded.

The difference is that bad players can do well with the knife.

Look at it this way:

A terrible player comes up behind me/ to the side and starts firing, there's a good chance he'll miss, giving me a chance to spin around and kill him.

If he has commando, the need to aim is eliminated, he can just click the stick and whoosh... I'm dead.

If the knife was a 2 hit kill instead of one, and didn't have a magic person magnet on it, I feel the game would be more balanced. Or maybe a one hit kill if you stab right into the face or chest.

EDIT: I have tried the commando class and found it easy mode, so I didn't use it again because I felt like I was cheating and where's the reward in that?

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Bad players are still bad players even if using a knife and its very easy to tell who they are since even with the knife they still suck.

If they come up behind you unless they are extremely bad your going to die. They wont miss and hell they may even walk up and knife you without commando.

I like the knife at a one hit kill

So you tried the knife class but what was you k/d ratio actually like. even good knifers i see in games dont do more then 2/1 and more often then not only barely break even.

Iv said it before and il say it again, dont like knifers then play on hardcore. Their strategy doesnt work at all on it.

edit: i do notice how your often avoiding all my main points and only picking out the little things.

Tell me which points you want me to respond to and I shall.

And you're also ignoring my main point about it, that of the knife homing in feature that means getting kills requires no aiming. Don't you at least think that's a little bit broken?

K/D is to me not an indicator of a tactic's merit in MW2 because

a)the maps are completely different and the Witch class benefits more on close quarters maps

b)K/D is irrelevant when you play Domination, but my god is it frustrating to get commando'd when capping flags

...but anyway my own K is 1.54, and that's someone who dies a lot while going for objectives, I rarely play TDM. My K Ratio in TDM is usually between 3:1 and 10:1. I got good by learning to play somewhat skillfully and practicing a lot, not by using overpowered shit.

I don't know what my K was when I used the knife setup but I remember knowing I'd gotten some real bullshit kills.

The only possible disadvatage the seup has (on tight maps) is running into campers, which is a problem for every rusher, not just knifers.

 

[Kukakkau]

Exactly why I want a good balance system in the game.

Example back in CoD4 taking a noob tube lost you a sight on your gun and a perk (gain a plus from a sacrifice). And taking a sniper meant your close range backup was only a pistol - balance. Every weapon and perk choice gave an advantage and a disadvantage, but in MW2 they don't really make much of a difference now.

If they had made it that taking certain weapons, perks or attachments locked other ones I'd be happy. Example - taking a heavy weapon locks lightweight, taking tac knife locks commando, taking a sniper locks a lot of secondaries, sit rep can only be equipped by stealth classes (sniper or SMG)

These are just ideas don't bother giving grief over them

 

[Midnight Crossroads]

It's one of the worst ideas I've ever seen, and one of the reasons I stopped playing.

TF2 is the only game that got knives right. If makes sense to one hit kill someone from behind. You can slit their throat, but the idea that I put some rounds from an automatic rifle into that guy at close enough range to knife me is beyond acceptable breaks from reality.

 

[Evilbunny]

It's just a play style, just like anything else. There are ways to beat it. You just have to be smart about it.

 

[-Samurai-]

I'm pretty sure I've used every gun in that game to the point of learning them except the F2000, could you tell me what the hell that gun is for, its like an SMG but without the hip-fire accuracy.

The hip-fire accuracy is beautiful(especially with steady aim). Its speed makes it extremely useful in those tight areas.

The F2000 is a great short-to-medium range weapon. You can use it for long range, but you really have to burst fire. The gun really shines on a map like Sub Base, Skid row, Invasion, Terminal(those long corridors can hurt, though), Rust, or Karachi.

Attachment wise, the optic sights are useless. The gun has to much recoil to make them worth using(the default sight is open and obstruction free, giving you a great view of everything, even while aiming). Even when burst-firing you'll lose track of your target. Silencer and FMJ(together or separate) are great choices, but the gun really benefits from extended magazines. The speed makes you burn through ammo quickly and the extended mags can help remedy this problem Since the F2000 has a fairly long reload time, extended mags can buy you some extra firing time. Scavenger pro works wonders with this gun.

When aiming, you'd do best to aim for the groin and let the recoil do its work. Or, if you like headshots, aim center mass. I unlocked the fall camouflage fairly easily aiming at their chest and letting it float up.

Thanks, still what sets it apart from say the P90. Is it just bullet penetration because from memory they have much the same damage and the P90 shoots faster, is more accurate from the hip and comes with the that huge magazine.

There really isn't anything that sets it apart from the SMGs besides its ability to kill easily at medium range where you'd have to be burst-firing with an SMG.

 

[psivamp]

-SNIP-

I apologize. I indulged in a bit of hyperbole about what people were saying about BC2.
Yes, there is less cheap over the top stuff than MW2 -- although I've seen whole squads sniping. In BC2, the problem is no longer the system being bad with lag or the enemy using certain tactics that take advantage of the game or seem outrageous, but that your own team won't work with you. The same thing happens in objective based games of MW2 to at least the same extent. I get Dominator about 80% in Domination and my win percentage there is far less.

 

[lightningmagurn]

what?
What?

 

[Arkhangelsk]

I used it for a while, got great K/D ratios. Then I discovered it was more fun using a normal ACR gun and just humiliating everyone old-fashioned way. Takes more precision and is more challenging.

 

[Antiparticle]

I apologize. I indulged in a bit of hyperbole about what people were saying about BC2.
Yes, there is less cheap over the top stuff than MW2 -- although I've seen whole squads sniping. In BC2, the problem is no longer the system being bad with lag or the enemy using certain tactics that take advantage of the game or seem outrageous, but that your own team won't work with you. The same thing happens in objective based games of MW2 to at least the same extent. I get Dominator about 80% in Domination and my win percentage there is far less.

That's alright. Yeah, that is a big problem in BC2. You have these four classes which were designed to help and support each other, and you even get rewarded big points for helping out teammates, and yet almost everybody still only goes Rambo or "lone wolf" (Sniper). It makes me very sad. I even think BC2 is like Left 4 Dead in that you should always play it with at least one friend whenever possible. Playing with only randoms does not give the full experience.

 

[Judgement101]

Online shooters are all about unfair advantages so honestly it shouldn't bother you.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Ok great, I'll just walk around the maps backwards from now on. Thanks.

Dont be stupid. If you see a knifer running at you you walk backwards while shooting him. If you didnt see him then it really doenst matter what his class is because he was going to kill you anyways.

Im saying their is tons of very easy counters to the knifing strategy. If you refuse to do any of them then you really dont have any right to complain. Its not the games fault you refuse to take the appropriate methods to kill something. Its kind of like complaining the harrier is killing you. Pick up a stinger and shoot it or use cold blooded.

The difference is that bad players can do well with the knife.

Look at it this way:

A terrible player comes up behind me/ to the side and starts firing, there's a good chance he'll miss, giving me a chance to spin around and kill him.

If he has commando, the need to aim is eliminated, he can just click the stick and whoosh... I'm dead.

If the knife was a 2 hit kill instead of one, and didn't have a magic person magnet on it, I feel the game would be more balanced. Or maybe a one hit kill if you stab right into the face or chest.

EDIT: I have tried the commando class and found it easy mode, so I didn't use it again because I felt like I was cheating and where's the reward in that?

this times 1000.

back when i played, and ill occasionally play with my brothers, any guy who was doing bad or just wasn't that good at the game would always be the knifers, not ONCE did you see them use the gun, even at distance they would try and run around the building rather than take a shot at me. back when the game was still fresh and i played, my friend got mvp every.fucking.time. with the knifer class, it was annoying as shit and it still is, it depends on the lag of the game which is not in any way impressive and it becomes extremely broken with the fact that the commando is a teleport 1 hit kill, and i agree if it was a knife to the head maybe it would be a one hit kill or if it wasnt like a fucking magnet it would be better balanced and actually take skill, but with the map design/perk design/lag of just about 99% games online, the knifer class has an advantage that really should NOT be there.

oh EDIT

knifers also get to ignore any kind of juggernaut death perk or anything, which i have died countless times shooting at a juggernaut guy and either A)Running out of ammo because of it or B)it takes so damn long to take him down the guy next to him or something takes me out because im a sitting duck in the process, while knifers just "ZOINK" and its still a insta kill.

 

[cryogeist]

i dont like it but i deal but a few good ways to counter act it is to...
A keep away from him
B spray him down
C leave
D copy him!

 

[Kinguendo]

It doesnt take skill, it ruins your enjoyment of the game, it can bypass shots completely, encourages more poeple to use the cheap tactics to win, people who use it come up with a crappy defence which always ends up being "Its a game, calm down." which is true... it is a game, so why do you need to win so badly that you use the cheapest broken class in the game? I am getting angry because I paid just as much as you to play the game and you are ruining my experience of the game because you cant aim and dont want to put the time in to get good at the game.

The same goes for people who use AA12s (and SPAS and other shotguns which I wouldnt have as much of a problem with if they were main weapons and not secondary), n00b tubes, drop shoters, spawn rapists, quick scoping, etc.

All just cheap tactics people employ because they cant aim and dont want to actually be good at FPSs.

EDIT: And in response to people saying if you dont like it go play a different game... yeah, okay. I dont like those things and I could go play a different and better game called COD4 Modern Warfare! How is it that the game that came out before is better that the one that comes after? And its not based on things such as story, gameplay, graphics, etc... Its based on aspects of the multiplayer which are broken. The multiplayer of the Modern Warfare games has always been the thing that draws people to them... yet they managed to take a fomula that they got right in the first one and screw it up so badly for the second.

Yeah, the first had n00b tubers and RPGers but what do you expect when you put n00b tubes and RPGs in a game? They dont take skill and people who use them suck but when you actually make WORSE things than those and put them in you have created an entirely new problem which didnt exist before for no reason.

 

[Theron Julius]

One of many broken bits of a fractured, weak game. Why?! Why can't they just release a patch!?!? Damn you Kotick!! Damn yooouuu!!!

 

[Theron Julius]

It doesnt take skill, it ruins your enjoyment of the game, it can bypass shots completely, encourages more poeple to use the cheap tactics to win, people who use it come up with a crappy defence which always ends up being "Its a game, calm down." which is true... it is a game, so why do you need to win so badly that you use the cheapest broken class in the game? I am getting angry because I paid just as much as you to play the game and you are ruining my experience of the game because you cant aim and dont want to put the time in to get good at the game.

The same goes for people who use AA12s (and SPAS and other shotguns which I wouldnt have as much of a problem with if they were main weapons and not secondary), n00b tubes, drop shoters, spawn rapists, etc.

All just cheap tactics people employ because they cant aim and dont want to actually be good at FPSs.

This is the truth. Release a patch damn it! It's not that hard!! Most other good online game fixes their game! Why can't you?

 

[Kinguendo]

It doesnt take skill, it ruins your enjoyment of the game, it can bypass shots completely, encourages more poeple to use the cheap tactics to win, people who use it come up with a crappy defence which always ends up being "Its a game, calm down." which is true... it is a game, so why do you need to win so badly that you use the cheapest broken class in the game? I am getting angry because I paid just as much as you to play the game and you are ruining my experience of the game because you cant aim and dont want to put the time in to get good at the game.

The same goes for people who use AA12s (and SPAS and other shotguns which I wouldnt have as much of a problem with if they were main weapons and not secondary), n00b tubes, drop shoters, spawn rapists, etc.

All just cheap tactics people employ because they cant aim and dont want to actually be good at FPSs.

This is the truth. Release a patch damn it! It's not that hard!! Most other good online game fixes their game! Why can't you?

It wouldnt even be that hard, they dont have to think about the patch at all... they just look at COD4 and see that they had it right already.

How can you go from COD4 to that? In COD4 n00b tubers where the worst but they were easy to beat... now there are too many weapons which require absolutely no skill to get the most kills.

 

[riotwraith]

I LOVE it. Hell, I sold MW2 a few weeks ago, but all the rage in this thread makes me want to go buy it again.

We all play multiplayer for different reasons. I play it to grief people. I have fun playing the game legitimately, but I have a lot more fun when I can make people crap their pants with rage. Sometimes that means team killing and general asshattery that will get me kicked, but that can only be fun for so long. Most of the time it means finding a cheap, easy way to kill people who are more skilled than me and then doing it non-stop until they find a way to stop me. But it stops being fun whenever people respond like adults.

Everyone pissed off about this method, reread that last sentence. Whenever you call me names or try to hunt me down specifically or show in any way that you're angry at me, I get a raging hard-on and continue what I'm doing because it's obviously working. Whenever people act like reasonable adults and either recognize that I'm playing legitimately, ignore me completely, or find a way to legitimate way to beat my cheap strategy I stop using it. Honestly, I have way more fun when we all behave like reasonable people and just play the game to have fun. It's just that that is so incredibly rare online that sometimes I give up on looking for it and find new ways to have fun.