Poll: Star Wars The Old Republic -Warcraft contender or just another clone

[Amphoteric]

There is 0% chance of me ever playing more than the trial.

 

[jawg_t-j]

i think it will do well with all the star wars fans/gamers out there even im a fan of the games and movies i hope it does well ill definetly play it maybe.

 

[Nouw]

Is it impossible for there to be a world with two major MMOs? I'm tired of people saying "IT CAN'T KILL WOW AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA"

 

[Savagezion]

Alright, I just had to post this because for someone to call TOR graphics bad but give the slip to WoW just bugs me. This is simple modeling alone points this out. I was really looking for a model of a human from both games but cant be bothered to seek it out beyond what I already have. So here is an orc model from WoW:

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Note: The forearms are just garbage, the ankles on humans in the game also suffer this same poor modeling. Look at the chest, the hips, the hands. Look at the "wheel" in the background. It isn't round, it is obviously polygons. These models in this game are a "style" that I don't like because it feels like they were not finished when they were implemented. If this "style" looks good then PS1 games must look freakin awesome compared to PS3 games with Lara Croft and her pyramid boobs.

Here is a TOR screenshot:

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Circles are circles. Bodies are in proportion. The ONLY way to say this is cartoony is if you are basing it off of cartoons that try to immitate REALISM. Hell even guild wars could be called cartoony by those standars by saying it is trying to immulate Dreamworks or Pixar's CGI look.

Cartoons exaggerate reality similar to the hyperbole in this thread. It blows things out of proportion to emphasize it. TOR's graphical style is freakin realistic compared to WoW. I have a hard time listening to anyone who says that these graphics are too cartoony. Because it appears to me they don't know what cartoony is, thus they just don't know what they are talking about and are just spewing crap out.

 

[PissOffRoth]

I don't think so. Gameplay looks like a cartoon, future clone with laser swords.
Actually, WoW has those too. But there's spaceships!
But WoW has plenty of rail-shooters on flying shit. Nevermind, this game has nothing on WoW.

 

[Danpascooch]

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

Are you kidding?

WHAT ADVERTISING!?

This game has had some of the least advertising I've ever seen for a project of this scale, they released a few video's online, which became popular not because they paid for them to be on TV or in Magazines or in banner ads (NONE of which I've seen for ToR, so you're full of shit) but because people took interest and spread them around.

Secondly, the graphics aren't at all like Kotor, don't know what to say other than, that's just plain wrong, they're not.

Third, what basis do you have for saying it's one player Kotor ported? That couldn't be further than the truth, did you see the multiplayer gameplay video? In Kotor you pause time, queue up commands, and command multiple AI characters. In ToR you play with other people and cannot freeze time. It literally couldn't be any different while still being an action rpg.

Calling it SWTOR and attacking their completely nonexistent advertising betrays your incredible ignorance, do some research next time.

Their none existant advertising as you call it consists of two very well done videos. The first of which cost over a million dollars alone.

Anyone else thinks Zing needs to calm the fuck down? Face facts, it's WoW: Star Wars Edition with a few bells and whistles attatched. I've watched the gameplay vids and it's EXACTLY like watching my girlfriend play WoW.
I love Star Wars, but TOR (whilst looking pretty good) won't live up to the hype.

Also, on the note of voice acting, am I the only one that doesn't really care that they're going to be told to go kill x amount of Ewoks by some generic voice actor?

I'm sorry? How am I anything but calm? I'm just correcting the logical fallacies being posed. I hardly think being fully voiced is "a few bells and whistles" but whatever you'll think what you want.

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

SWTOR 2? I guess you mean KOTOR...which graphics are not anything like TOR, that's just a lie.

So is it a WOW clone or a KOTOR clone with an online portion? Which is it guys?

As for you, yes I did mean KOTOR, I'd just got up when I posted easier.

But as one poster has already said, you need to calm the fuck down and stop acting like a prick, this is a discussion forum, if you can't have a discussion in a mature way, accept and respect other peoples views without being so defensive, fuck off somewhere else.

You just said he needs to calm down, and then told him to fuck off in the same sentence, if anything, you're the one freaking out, by telling people to fuck off, and you just said "how stupid are you" to me (which you edited out) how is that respecting people's opinions?

You could easily see mod action for that "fuck off" line, too bad they don't prosecute further for hypocrisy.

By the way, show me where you got the figures for how much the videos cost, I'd love to see you try to defend the figure you pulled out of your ass.

I'm not doing the work for you. Get on google and do your own research. The first video for SWTOR cost around $1 Million. It's widely known, you should be able to find plenty of information if you can be bothered to look.

Huh, I just spent 15 minutes doing Google searches, and read the entirety of The Old Republic Wikipedia page, and the titles of their citations.

I saw not a single mention of the cost of the "Deceived" trailer, so link or you're full of shit, I did the research, and that figure does not exist. So stop pulling bullet points out of your ass

Your research consisted of Wikipedia? Well.. *claps* You should do proper research.

My Wikipedia and Google searches VS. You saying "it's really true!"

So yeah, my research beats your evidence-less lies.

 

[Aeshi]

Just looks like WoW in space to me...

That could be because:

a) WoW is far older than TOR (and though the screenshot is from Cataclysm that's still in Alpha/Beta tests.

b) Blizzard knows not everyone can afford a new computer.

 

[Savagezion]

Just looks like WoW in space to me...

That could be because:

a) WoW is far older than TOR (and though the screenshot is from Cataclysm that's still in Alpha/Beta tests.

b) Blizzard knows not everyone can afford a new computer.

I can show you screenshots of a game that is far older than WoW (released late 90s) with graphics that can rival guild wars in quality of graphics and has lower specs than WoW. Age doesn't matter, it is style. Should I have to post a picture of the undead on here?

They are going after a style and is a cartoony. Warcraft has had this wierd unfinished polygon look to them since the have went to 3D and I never have cared for it. As well 90% of the time graphical style is not something beta will change. Especially, on an expansion. The reason WoW has this style is because it is a semi-trademark of Warcraft.

I don't have a problem with someone liking WoW. I do have a problem with people who don't know what a word means yet try to use the word. The word in question here is "cartoony".

EDIT: Additionally, I included Cataclysm screenshot for that reason. You're fanboy is showing. In your same sentence you give WoW 2 contradictory excuses. First that WoW is old, then use the beta excuse. TOR is in beta, but it is perfectly ok to hold it responsible for any graphical ragging. But WoW is excused because it is "still in alpha/beta"... and it's old... so it can't be held accountable. That is fanboy logic. Defending it because "I say so."

 

[Trebort]

Big fat snip

My Wikipedia and Google searches VS. You saying "it's really true!"

So yeah, my research beats your evidence-less lies.

You're an idiot. 15 minutes of looking at links google pulls up and reading Wikipedia of all things does not constitute research and I'm not lying. If you had bothered to do proper research you would know that.

EDIT: I really have better things to do and more important problems in real life to be dealing with. My involvement in this thread is over.

 

[Nouw]

Is it impossible for there to be a world with two major MMOs? I'm tired of people saying "IT CAN'T KILL WOW AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA"

No, there can't be.
People's idea of what "major" means has shifted thanks to WoW. People expect subs to be in the millions in order to be considered "major".
TOR will never have WoW's numbers. It can never compete with that. Nothing can ever compete with that. It was a fluke. Like being struck by lightning while being abducted by aliens after finding out you just won the lotto.

Unfortunately, people can't seem to grasp this. They expect WoW level numbers.

Let me change that to can't there be two MMOs at all?

 

[CJ1145]

its like WoW, with jedi.

So ill probably just play Cataclysm since im not that hot on Star Wars anyways.

Though i am looking forward to The Secret World, it looks interesting with its skill based combat and no lvls.

You're a disgrace to Armstrong, friend.

I don't even want WoW in the same room as The Old Republic. WoW has no right to compete with that juggernaut of all media. Mind you, I liked it for a time but I grew sick of it. Old Republic seems like it has what I want in an MMO.

 

[Dr. Gorgenflex]

Im so excited for this game just because it looks like a bioware rpg experience except in MMO form, I will never miss out on a bioware game.

 

[Bat Vader]

I don't see the point in comparing World of Warcraft with Star Wars: The Old Republic. They are two different MMOs and trying to compare them is like trying to compare Lord Of The Rings with Star Wars. They both have different focuses on what they want to do. The Old Republic is not even out yet. I think we should hold off our judgments of it until after we have played it a bit.

 

[obliviondoll]

It definitely WON'T kill WoW.

But it looks like a good rival for it.

Hope it lives up to the possibilities.

 

[SideburnsPuppy]

Is it impossible for there to be a world with two major MMOs?

Pretty much, yeah. You have no idea how much "hardcore" WoW players put into creating the best character possible. The time and effort involved is astounding (for evidence, check out sites like Thottbot or WoWhead and see if you understand a word). To think that somebody is going to do that sort of thing for two games at once isn't terribly realistic.

 

[Digitaldreamer7]

What wouldn't be a gimmick to me (in context of making it different to WoW):

1.Innovative combat/raid mechanics not tied to the class-trinity (tank-dps-healer)
2.Action-combat with hit-detection, possibly multiple hit-zones, combos, skillbased
3.highly customizable loot (not gemming, actual modifications with external changes to models)
4.departure from the talent-tree and cooldown/mana mechanics
5.hybridization
6.persistent world
8.No LVLs
9.sandbox PVP

If 3 out of 9 would be included it would make TOR unique from WoW.

1 - Sorry but this is core to any RPG, you always want the one with the most health to take the hits, the one who does the damage to stand back and do the damage, and you need to heal the one taking all the hits. This transcends into almost every RPG.

2 - So you want to move away from RNG? more of a set number system? LIke leg is 1-10 pts etc? Cause why would anyone want to shoot anywhere besides the head? It is skill based. You have to know which buttons to push when to be successful. Sure, you can mash face into keyboard and win, but, there someone who knows which buttons to push at right times tha twill come along and roflpwn you.

3 - I agree, Give me a way to dye my loot dammit!

4 - Talent trees are truly good. They give a mage specialization, prob is.. all three trees need to be viable for endgame. I hate the fact that if you want to be successful in end game you have to play "x" spec with "x" talents in "x" places. mana is and has always been around, and will always be around.

5 - you need to be more specific because each MMO I have played has had some sort of hybrid classes

6 - I agree completely. Matrix online tried, but failed.

7 - you skipped 7, so for this I laugh at you. HA HA HA HA HA HA

8 - No lvls? really? Never gonna happen. I think city of heroes did it best when they added the side kick feature that would normalize a playing field to let everyone play together regardless of level.

9 - sandbox pvp? Like open world PVP? Like what WoW had before shitty BG's? Because I loved open world PvP before blizzard fucked it all up. THere was nothing like getting your whole guild and waiting for the rival alliance guild to gather for raid night near BRM and ambushing them lol. All of this has gone away because of BG's and Arenas

 

[Danpascooch]

Big fat snip

My Wikipedia and Google searches VS. You saying "it's really true!"

So yeah, my research beats your evidence-less lies.

You're an idiot. 15 minutes of looking at links google pulls up and reading Wikipedia of all things does not constitute research and I'm not lying. If you had bothered to do proper research you would know that.

EDIT: I really have better things to do and more important problems in real life to be dealing with. My involvement in this thread is over.

Sounds good, go ahead and throw my words in my face with a link to something reputable saying that the Decieved cinematic cost $1 million dollars.

Because if you just made that up and have no backing for it, than you must be a real asshole to criticize me for using "improper research" when you just made up bullshit on the spot.

Are you a real asshole?

EDIT: After 3 posts bashing me, looks like there's still no link which would have taken 3 seconds if his claim was true, looks like an asshole to me, of course, I'll be glad to apologize and remove my accusation if he can provide a link.