Poll: Star Wars The Old Republic -Warcraft contender or just another clone

[Jake the Snake]

I'm proud of them for making a great, fully voiced, fresh, MMORPG. But see that's the problem. It's an MMO. I don't like MMOs, they're pointless time sucks. But, being the Bioware fanboy that I am, I will probably be getting this game -_-

 

[Danpascooch]

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

Are you kidding?

WHAT ADVERTISING!?

This game has had some of the least advertising I've ever seen for a project of this scale, they released a few video's online, which became popular not because they paid for them to be on TV or in Magazines or in banner ads (NONE of which I've seen for ToR, so you're full of shit) but because people took interest and spread them around.

Secondly, the graphics aren't at all like Kotor, don't know what to say other than, that's just plain wrong, they're not.

Third, what basis do you have for saying it's one player Kotor ported? That couldn't be further than the truth, did you see the multiplayer gameplay video? In Kotor you pause time, queue up commands, and command multiple AI characters. In ToR you play with other people and cannot freeze time. It literally couldn't be any different while still being an action rpg.

Calling it SWTOR and attacking their completely nonexistent advertising betrays your incredible ignorance, do some research next time.

 

[Danpascooch]

Anyone else thinks Zing needs to calm the fuck down? Face facts, it's WoW: Star Wars Edition with a few bells and whistles attatched. I've watched the gameplay vids and it's EXACTLY like watching my girlfriend play WoW.
I love Star Wars, but TOR (whilst looking pretty good) won't live up to the hype.

Also, on the note of voice acting, am I the only one that doesn't really care that they're going to be told to go kill x amount of Ewoks by some generic voice actor?

There is a difference between "is calm" and "agrees with you"

He's allowed to disagree with you, especially since you're completely wrong.

 

[Don't taze me bro]

The whole WoW clone argument is amusing, as wow took elements from existing MMO's and really consolidated and polished them. Of course there are going to be similarities, because there are elements considered to be standard for MMOs and people have come to expect these things now.

As for people talking about voice acting. I played Age of Conan for a while. The newbie area was all voice scripted, and it was great. I helped with immersion, and was very well done. It was a shame to leave the beginning area and have all of that suddenly stop.

Will I stop playing Cataclysm to try out Starwars:ToR? Most likely. I've already quit WoW twice in the past 2 years after playing since November 2004. I've tried my hand at a few other MMOs as well, GW, AoC, War, CO and Aion, but have always gone back to WoW. I'm hoping that SW:ToR might be the game that keeps me playing there.

 

[Danpascooch]

I'm very sceptical about this. BioWare makes singleplayer Rpgs, that some people like. Not even all people, who consider themselves RPG-Fans, are into them. It strikes me as awkward how anybody could take this history as a guarantee that they will not only be able to make a good MMORPG, which in itself is an entiryly different task, but also that they will be able to make a MMORPG, that beats the leading product in the market.

These are just general issues, leaving specific problems aside, like:
-Some people don't like Star Wars
-Many casual players won't be able to find their way into the Old republics Lore, because the most they'll know about Star Wars will be the old movies, which are difficult to relate to that lore.
-Casual players are where the money lies.

I understand what you're saying, but problems like "some people don't like star wars" is a problem all games have, if you try to make a game that doesn't alienate a single person, you end up making something like Wii sports.

Also, casual players are totally NOT where the money lies, the money lies in hardcore players who play frequently, and never stop paying.

 

[Dr. Octogonopus]

As a Star Wars fan i would like to see if ToR can break into the very WoW-dominated MMO market. From what iv played of WoW there didnt seem to be much of a story to it. Just a bunch of text-spewing NPCs giving out very repetitive quests, a lot of which seemed to consist of kill x amount of y. Bioware has a good track record of brilliant Star Wars games. I really enjoyed KoTOR 1&2 and hopefully they will inject some enjoyment back into the grind-fest that is most MMOs. Although i can see one problem already in that maybe ToR will become over-populated by sith and jedi classes and very little players (in comparison) using the smuggler class for example. Very few MMOs have been able to really give Blizzard a real run for their money and hopefully Bioware can do that.

 

[Trebort]

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

Are you kidding?

WHAT ADVERTISING!?

This game has had some of the least advertising I've ever seen for a project of this scale, they released a few video's online, which became popular not because they paid for them to be on TV or in Magazines or in banner ads (NONE of which I've seen for ToR, so you're full of shit) but because people took interest and spread them around.

Secondly, the graphics aren't at all like Kotor, don't know what to say other than, that's just plain wrong, they're not.

Third, what basis do you have for saying it's one player Kotor ported? That couldn't be further than the truth, did you see the multiplayer gameplay video? In Kotor you pause time, queue up commands, and command multiple AI characters. In ToR you play with other people and cannot freeze time. It literally couldn't be any different while still being an action rpg.

Calling it SWTOR and attacking their completely nonexistent advertising betrays your incredible ignorance, do some research next time.

Their none existant advertising as you call it consists of two very well done videos. The first of which cost over a million dollars alone.

Anyone else thinks Zing needs to calm the fuck down? Face facts, it's WoW: Star Wars Edition with a few bells and whistles attatched. I've watched the gameplay vids and it's EXACTLY like watching my girlfriend play WoW.
I love Star Wars, but TOR (whilst looking pretty good) won't live up to the hype.

Also, on the note of voice acting, am I the only one that doesn't really care that they're going to be told to go kill x amount of Ewoks by some generic voice actor?

I'm sorry? How am I anything but calm? I'm just correcting the logical fallacies being posed. I hardly think being fully voiced is "a few bells and whistles" but whatever you'll think what you want.

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

SWTOR 2? I guess you mean KOTOR...which graphics are not anything like TOR, that's just a lie.

So is it a WOW clone or a KOTOR clone with an online portion? Which is it guys?

As for you, yes I did mean KOTOR, I'd just got up when I posted easier.

But as one poster has already said, you need to calm the fuck down and stop acting like a prick, this is a discussion forum, if you can't have a discussion in a mature way, accept and respect other peoples views without being so defensive, fuck off somewhere else.

 

[TheLefty]

Is it even out yet? We can't judge anything until it's out.

 

[DustyDrB]

its like WoW, with jedi.

So ill probably just play Cataclysm since im not that hot on Star Wars anyways.

Though i am looking forward to The Secret World, it looks interesting with its skill based combat and no lvls.

Except it's fully voiced with fully set out storylines and flashpoints? And companions? and Smugglers? and Imperial Agents? 200 hours of story for every class? And 16 advanced classes? I could go on like this but you get the point, generalizing like that makes you look like a poor WoW fanboy.

In any case. TOR doesn't actually have to compete with WoW to be successful, at least not in the traditional sense, there is room for multiple successful MMOs on the market.

If TOR can even make and sustain 2 million subs it will be a massive success.

Yea. The Old Republic is an interesting case for the fact that it will bring in people who only like (or greatly prefer) single player, story-driven games. It can become successful on its own without harming WoW (which is smart of Bioware, because the only thing that will ever hurt WoW is time and new standards)

 

[Zing]

Their none existant advertising as you call it consists of two very well done videos. The first of which cost over a million dollars alone.

Which Blur studios completely developed themselves, not BioWare or even LucasArts.

As for you, yes I did mean KOTOR, I'd just got up when I posted easier.

But as one poster has already said, you need to calm the fuck down and stop acting like a prick, this is a discussion forum, if you can't have a discussion in a mature way, accept and respect other peoples views without being so defensive, fuck off somewhere else.

Could you be any more of a hypocrite?

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm "acting like a prick" or in any way the opposite of calm. (I don't get upset over forum posts, sorry to burst your bubble).

You come in here telling me to fuck off and yet I'm being immature? We are having a discussion, I've been completely mature, I just replied to people and corrected falsehoods, I didn't insult anyone(not directly, sorry about that flying_emu). This is how a mature discussion works.

 

[Aerowaves]

It's either this or Guild Wars 2. This for fanbase and Bioware-magic, Guild Wars 2 for just looking spectacular. SWTOR will have more mass appeal but GW2 will be a better game, from what I've seen (and no subscriptions zomg!)

 

[Dr. Octogonopus]

The only thing WOW and TOR have in common is they are both MMO's.

NOT TRUE!

They both use a mouse and keyboard!

TOTAL CLONES!

Is this supposed to be sarcasm? Having the same game genre and controller doesnt make it a clone. thats like saying Prince of Persia and Uncharted are clones

 

[Reveras]

I just hope they don't release this at the same time with wow-related content or else it will bomb big time.

EDIT: Also GW 2 will most likely blast SWTOR away.

 

[Danpascooch]

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

Are you kidding?

WHAT ADVERTISING!?

This game has had some of the least advertising I've ever seen for a project of this scale, they released a few video's online, which became popular not because they paid for them to be on TV or in Magazines or in banner ads (NONE of which I've seen for ToR, so you're full of shit) but because people took interest and spread them around.

Secondly, the graphics aren't at all like Kotor, don't know what to say other than, that's just plain wrong, they're not.

Third, what basis do you have for saying it's one player Kotor ported? That couldn't be further than the truth, did you see the multiplayer gameplay video? In Kotor you pause time, queue up commands, and command multiple AI characters. In ToR you play with other people and cannot freeze time. It literally couldn't be any different while still being an action rpg.

Calling it SWTOR and attacking their completely nonexistent advertising betrays your incredible ignorance, do some research next time.

Their none existant advertising as you call it consists of two very well done videos. The first of which cost over a million dollars alone.

Anyone else thinks Zing needs to calm the fuck down? Face facts, it's WoW: Star Wars Edition with a few bells and whistles attatched. I've watched the gameplay vids and it's EXACTLY like watching my girlfriend play WoW.
I love Star Wars, but TOR (whilst looking pretty good) won't live up to the hype.

Also, on the note of voice acting, am I the only one that doesn't really care that they're going to be told to go kill x amount of Ewoks by some generic voice actor?

I'm sorry? How am I anything but calm? I'm just correcting the logical fallacies being posed. I hardly think being fully voiced is "a few bells and whistles" but whatever you'll think what you want.

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

SWTOR 2? I guess you mean KOTOR...which graphics are not anything like TOR, that's just a lie.

So is it a WOW clone or a KOTOR clone with an online portion? Which is it guys?

As for you, yes I did mean KOTOR, I'd just got up when I posted easier.

But as one poster has already said, you need to calm the fuck down and stop acting like a prick, this is a discussion forum, if you can't have a discussion in a mature way, accept and respect other peoples views without being so defensive, fuck off somewhere else.

You just said he needs to calm down, and then told him to fuck off in the same sentence, if anything, you're the one freaking out, by telling people to fuck off, and you just said "how stupid are you" to me (which you edited out) how is that respecting people's opinions?

You could easily see mod action for that "fuck off" line, too bad they don't prosecute further for hypocrisy.

By the way, show me where you got the figures for how much the videos cost, I'd love to see you try to defend the figure you pulled out of your ass.

 

[icyneesan]

At this point the only thing that could beat WoW would be a WoW2

 

[Danpascooch]

The only thing WOW and TOR have in common is they are both MMO's.

NOT TRUE!

They both use a mouse and keyboard!

TOTAL CLONES!

Is this supposed to be sarcasm? Having the same game genre and controller doesnt make it a clone. thats like saying Prince of Persia and Uncharted are clones

Sorry, I thought that was clear, total sarcasm.

I can't WAIT for this game

 

[CloudKiller]

Wow there's a not of hate in this thread.

Personally I'm really looking forward to TOR and to actually enjoying the leveling process for once by following an interactive storyline rather than a quest guide mod and having voice actors will make this even more enjoyable. I like the stylised realism graphics, more people can play it, more people to play with.

The combat looks similar to wow's, although without auto attack, but I liked wow's accessible combat system and the 16 classes to look like they play quite differently. Ironically the force classes don't interest me as much as the Trooper, Smuggler, Bounty Hunter and Imperial Agent do.

Will it kill WoW, of course not. But the dev's didn't set out with that in mind, they want to make their own game and have their own fan base. It'll become a big rival for WoW i'm sure.

 

[Wolf Devastator]

Saw the gameplay for it and ....it's shit. The only thing that was remotely new and interesting was the space rail fights.

Yea, and considering the space fights looked scripted or at least not 'open world' makes it feel like a tacked on mechanic for quests and such. I had hope a while ago, now it feels like another clone.

I think for anything to be successful against WoW needs to have an entirely different premise.

 

[The Procrastinated End]

Seeing as how it's a sci-fi version of WoW with some rail shooting thrown in, I'll go with the idea of it being somewhat successful, at the bottom of the Blizzard throne.

 

[Dr. Octogonopus]

i dont understand the KoToR clone argument. whats wrong with having a game similar to KoToR but with the added experience of playing with/against other fans of the Star Wars universe. having admin playing key sith/jedi characters would also be interesting