Poll: Star Wars The Old Republic -Warcraft contender or just another clone

[Diddy_Mao]

All I can do is explain why I won't be playing.
For my dollar what World of Warcraft has over any other lisenced MMO I've played is the simple fact that the developer owns the property. That may not seem like much at first, but that gives them a lot of freedom to drive the story anywhere they damn well please. For me this goes a long way towards creating an interactive experience that is much more satisfying.

My friends and I weren't the only people to defeat Illidan or Arthas but we we were still able to partake in the events that changed the game world.

The Stories in Lord of the Rings Online and Star Wars Galaxies would have panned out in their pre-scripted ways with or without the players. We don't get a chance to defeat Sauron, it wasn't the Fellowship of the Ring plus me and my friends.
I'm not going to be able to defeat Darth Vader and save the Galaxy from the Evil Emperor Palpatine. Those stories have been reserved for the heroes of these well established settings and all the players can do is fart around in the world and waste time while the NPC's go on their epic world changing adventures.

There's a similar issue when it comes to games like DC Universe online in that the world is overflowing with Epic heroes. I can make the biggest, baddest, street justice dishing vigilante I can think of and I've still got Batman swinging around doing it better than I ever could, and there's nothing heroic about getting tossed Superman's tablescraps by saving the city from the crap he can't be bothered to take care of himself.

That isn't fun to me.

Now then, it is fair to point out that the Old Republic setting does avoid a lot of these issues by setting itself in a relatively unexplored era of the Star Wars Universe. The stories, characters and events of that time line don't really effect that plots of the Films.
But I'm still left with the fact that because we know how the movies turn out we know the Sith lose. That's all she wrote, from the moment you log on and select your character it's a foregone conclusion that the Sith are going to lose this war. All the and voice acting and interactive storytelling and so on and so forth isn't going to change that fact and so I'm left with the same problem as before, all I can do is fart around and wait for the inevitable to happen.

 

[AMMO Kid]

it really depends on how many people are into star wars these days

 

[Exterminas]

I understand what you're saying, but problems like "some people don't like star wars" is a problem all games have, if you try to make a game that doesn't alienate a single person, you end up making something like Wii sports.

Also, casual players are totally NOT where the money lies, the money lies in hardcore players who play frequently, and never stop paying.

What I was trying to express with "people don't like Star Wars" was something like this:
Warcraft was an existing franchise, which very few people knew in advance to Wows Release (compared to people, who know Star Wars). Wows setting is a generic Fantasy one and had the huge advantage of the Lord of the Rings movies introduction said setting to many people, at the same decade. So people were familiar enough with that fantasy-stuff to not be frigthened but it was new enougth to them to give it a try.

The problem I see with Star Wars is that almost everybody and I mean ->everybody<- has an opinion about it. The Franchise and the movies have been around for several decades and avoiding confrontation with it, without living on the moon, has been impossible. The problem in that lies within the fact that people who diskiled Star Wars prior to the MMORPG, probably won't change their mind, just to try out "just another Star Wars game", because there have been thausands of those.

On the other side there are the people who consider themselves fans, I don't know how many of those can be considered hardcore gamers as well, but these will nerdrage and complain about everything a develeoper does to bend canon for gameplay or anything like that. Meaning that in the sake of making the setting appeal to a broad audience, they will most likely spoil the fun for the hardcore fans.

Then the whole idea that hardcore-gameres deliver the money. I don't buy that. If you look at your average world-of-warcraft-server. There are may be 100 persons per server, who killed Lich King 25 hero, or ever will kill him. These are hardcore-players to me, the rest aren't. But they don't pay more than the rest. Even given the fact that they never cancel their accounts, they most likely use half-year-based subscription, which offers the cheapest month/money-ratio, which is also the one less favorably to Blizzard (they get lees money per month). That thougth doesn't even depend on the fact that "hardcore-players" are hugely outnumbered by the legions of casuals.

Another idea that relates to this issue is the fact that all "newer" (read: post-Wow) MMORPGs (Aion, Warhammer...) have hardcore-players, people who play since release, but don't make any money, compared to wow. That's because on launch day everything with legs and a credit card ran of to those games, but then tossed them asside. So it may be true that hardcore players are the ones, that make it worth running a MMORPG, but I thing the huge amount of sales during the first months made a majority of these games proftis. So the wave of short-term-casuals, who actually paid for the game-disk and not just the subsciption, waved in the cash.

But I guess all these thougths depent on the neverending question "what is a hardcore-gamer?". I myself have a Wow-Account that runs since release, and I play almost every day. But I barely do any hardmodes or content, that is considered an Achievement.

 

[Aurora219]

Time is the only WoW killer.

And I really don't mind.

I might well play this though, as I don't play WoW.

 

[Kenko]

its like WoW, with jedi.

So ill probably just play Cataclysm since im not that hot on Star Wars anyways.

Though i am looking forward to The Secret World, it looks interesting with its skill based combat and no lvls.

Except it's fully voiced with fully set out storylines and flashpoints? And companions? and Smugglers? and Imperial Agents? 200 hours of story for every class? And 16 advanced classes? I could go on like this but you get the point, generalizing like that makes you look like a poor WoW fanboy.

In any case. TOR doesn't actually have to compete with WoW to be successful, at least not in the traditional sense, there is room for multiple successful MMOs on the market.

If TOR can even make and sustain 2 million subs it will be a massive success.

Dude, chill, all i said it looked like wow, and thats the impression i get.
Voiceovers and Companions are gimicks that dont interest me in the slightest, its an mmo, a week after its out, all the storylines will be on TORhead.com or sth anyways and people are going to theorycraft how to get the best companion, armor, loot, ending, lightsaber or glitch their way to Coruscant.

Bioware since the start didnt understand MMO dynamics, i tried to warn them in an email about their "story driven" mmo, but hey, their call.

You warned them in an email? Lol and why in the hells would they listen to a random schmuck? Go suck a tailpipe wow-fanboy.

OT: TOR wont topple WoW, to even say that is stupid. TOR looks waaaay to cartoony for my tastes, its basicly WoW with lightsabres if you look at the esthetics. May George Lucas burn in hell for the "Clone Wars". Gorram franchise raper.

 

[adamtm]

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We will need to actually see the conclusion of this, i am merely stating my opinion that SW TOR does not bring enough innovation to the table to compete with WoW. Its a "safe bet"-mmo, being just different enough to pull the Star Wars fan.

What wouldn't be a gimmick to me (in context of making it different to WoW):

1.Innovative combat/raid mechanics not tied to the class-trinity (tank-dps-healer)
2.Action-combat with hit-detection, possibly multiple hit-zones, combos, skillbased
3.highly customizable loot (not gemming, actual modifications with external changes to models)
4.departure from the talent-tree and cooldown/mana mechanics
5.hybridization
6.persistent world
8.No LVLs
9.sandbox PVP

If 3 out of 9 would be included it would make TOR unique from WoW.

1,3,4,6,(you skipped 7) 8 and 9 are EVE Online.

My only question is: What the hell do you mean by "hybridization"?

Yes i was purposefully taking EVE as a marker what "different to WoW" for me means.
EVE is as far away from WoW as you can get (while i still dont like it that much, i tried Perpetuum recently though, it seems nice for an EVE-clone )

Hybridization in the context of gameplay.
What i mean by it is sort of taken from biology, combining genres, in this case gameplay genres.
It ties in with point 1 and 2, trying to get away from the holy trinity of RPGs and at the same time combining it with a different genre of gameplay.

This can be taken into many directions, for example combining a RPG playstyle with limited shooter elements or RTS/RTT. Think DOTA, or System Shock.

 

[Ascarus]

That's just your opinion, many others find those other classes fascinating. I'm going to play a Sith Warrior so I can't talk, but if this poll is anything to go by, the classes will be far more balanced then you thought. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=110337

that's interesting about the poll, although it does support my concern. we will see if it pans out over time.

as i alluded to initially, i personally couldn't imagine playing as anything other than a force wielder in a SW game (where options exist), but someone may find enjoyment in playing a soldier (somehow).

edit (added): examining the poll "closely" does indicate that close to 60% of the respondents chose a force wielding class .. if you add in the bounty hunter the number jumps to close to 74%. that's a pretty big chunk of the population playing either a force wielder or the bounty hunter. the classes i expected to get the most interest.

granted given that this poll could be quite skewed (it is on the internet after all), it's hard to say how accurate it is, but i would argue it points to a strong trend in class preference.

 

[Cazza]

The only thing WOW and TOR have in common is they are both MMO's.

NOT TRUE!

They both use a mouse and keyboard!

TOTAL CLONES!

Is this supposed to be sarcasm? Having the same game genre and controller doesnt make it a clone. thats like saying Prince of Persia and Uncharted are clones

Yes. That is our point. Just because they are both in the same genre doesn't make them clones.

 

[Sev72]

Still playing Eve, still loving it. You fanboys have your little squabbles, I will be over here feeling elitist and superior.

 

[Reveras]

Saw the gameplay for it and ....it's shit. The only thing that was remotely new and interesting was the space rail fights.

Yea, and considering the space fights looked scripted or at least not 'open world' makes it feel like a tacked on mechanic for quests and such. I had hope a while ago, now it feels like another clone.

I think for anything to be successful against WoW needs to have an entirely different premise.

My thought exactly, the one game that seems to openly give the middle finger to WoW is GW2 and I hope to the G-man that it does because that game looks incrediawesome now. MUST ROLL ASURI!!!

 

[Trebort]

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

Are you kidding?

WHAT ADVERTISING!?

This game has had some of the least advertising I've ever seen for a project of this scale, they released a few video's online, which became popular not because they paid for them to be on TV or in Magazines or in banner ads (NONE of which I've seen for ToR, so you're full of shit) but because people took interest and spread them around.

Secondly, the graphics aren't at all like Kotor, don't know what to say other than, that's just plain wrong, they're not.

Third, what basis do you have for saying it's one player Kotor ported? That couldn't be further than the truth, did you see the multiplayer gameplay video? In Kotor you pause time, queue up commands, and command multiple AI characters. In ToR you play with other people and cannot freeze time. It literally couldn't be any different while still being an action rpg.

Calling it SWTOR and attacking their completely nonexistent advertising betrays your incredible ignorance, do some research next time.

Their none existant advertising as you call it consists of two very well done videos. The first of which cost over a million dollars alone.

Anyone else thinks Zing needs to calm the fuck down? Face facts, it's WoW: Star Wars Edition with a few bells and whistles attatched. I've watched the gameplay vids and it's EXACTLY like watching my girlfriend play WoW.
I love Star Wars, but TOR (whilst looking pretty good) won't live up to the hype.

Also, on the note of voice acting, am I the only one that doesn't really care that they're going to be told to go kill x amount of Ewoks by some generic voice actor?

I'm sorry? How am I anything but calm? I'm just correcting the logical fallacies being posed. I hardly think being fully voiced is "a few bells and whistles" but whatever you'll think what you want.

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

SWTOR 2? I guess you mean KOTOR...which graphics are not anything like TOR, that's just a lie.

So is it a WOW clone or a KOTOR clone with an online portion? Which is it guys?

As for you, yes I did mean KOTOR, I'd just got up when I posted easier.

But as one poster has already said, you need to calm the fuck down and stop acting like a prick, this is a discussion forum, if you can't have a discussion in a mature way, accept and respect other peoples views without being so defensive, fuck off somewhere else.

You just said he needs to calm down, and then told him to fuck off in the same sentence, if anything, you're the one freaking out, by telling people to fuck off, and you just said "how stupid are you" to me (which you edited out) how is that respecting people's opinions?

You could easily see mod action for that "fuck off" line, too bad they don't prosecute further for hypocrisy.

By the way, show me where you got the figures for how much the videos cost, I'd love to see you try to defend the figure you pulled out of your ass.

I'm not doing the work for you. Get on google and do your own research. The first video for SWTOR cost around $1 Million. It's widely known, you should be able to find plenty of information if you can be bothered to look.

 

[Danpascooch]

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

Are you kidding?

WHAT ADVERTISING!?

This game has had some of the least advertising I've ever seen for a project of this scale, they released a few video's online, which became popular not because they paid for them to be on TV or in Magazines or in banner ads (NONE of which I've seen for ToR, so you're full of shit) but because people took interest and spread them around.

Secondly, the graphics aren't at all like Kotor, don't know what to say other than, that's just plain wrong, they're not.

Third, what basis do you have for saying it's one player Kotor ported? That couldn't be further than the truth, did you see the multiplayer gameplay video? In Kotor you pause time, queue up commands, and command multiple AI characters. In ToR you play with other people and cannot freeze time. It literally couldn't be any different while still being an action rpg.

Calling it SWTOR and attacking their completely nonexistent advertising betrays your incredible ignorance, do some research next time.

Their none existant advertising as you call it consists of two very well done videos. The first of which cost over a million dollars alone.

Anyone else thinks Zing needs to calm the fuck down? Face facts, it's WoW: Star Wars Edition with a few bells and whistles attatched. I've watched the gameplay vids and it's EXACTLY like watching my girlfriend play WoW.
I love Star Wars, but TOR (whilst looking pretty good) won't live up to the hype.

Also, on the note of voice acting, am I the only one that doesn't really care that they're going to be told to go kill x amount of Ewoks by some generic voice actor?

I'm sorry? How am I anything but calm? I'm just correcting the logical fallacies being posed. I hardly think being fully voiced is "a few bells and whistles" but whatever you'll think what you want.

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

SWTOR 2? I guess you mean KOTOR...which graphics are not anything like TOR, that's just a lie.

So is it a WOW clone or a KOTOR clone with an online portion? Which is it guys?

As for you, yes I did mean KOTOR, I'd just got up when I posted easier.

But as one poster has already said, you need to calm the fuck down and stop acting like a prick, this is a discussion forum, if you can't have a discussion in a mature way, accept and respect other peoples views without being so defensive, fuck off somewhere else.

You just said he needs to calm down, and then told him to fuck off in the same sentence, if anything, you're the one freaking out, by telling people to fuck off, and you just said "how stupid are you" to me (which you edited out) how is that respecting people's opinions?

You could easily see mod action for that "fuck off" line, too bad they don't prosecute further for hypocrisy.

By the way, show me where you got the figures for how much the videos cost, I'd love to see you try to defend the figure you pulled out of your ass.

I'm not doing the work for you. Get on google and do your own research. The first video for SWTOR cost around $1 Million. It's widely known, you should be able to find plenty of information if you can be bothered to look.

Huh, I just spent 15 minutes doing Google searches, and read the entirety of The Old Republic Wikipedia page, and the titles of their citations.

I saw not a single mention of the cost of the "Deceived" trailer, so link or you're full of shit, I did the research, and that figure does not exist. So stop pulling bullet points out of your ass

 

[Trebort]

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

Are you kidding?

WHAT ADVERTISING!?

This game has had some of the least advertising I've ever seen for a project of this scale, they released a few video's online, which became popular not because they paid for them to be on TV or in Magazines or in banner ads (NONE of which I've seen for ToR, so you're full of shit) but because people took interest and spread them around.

Secondly, the graphics aren't at all like Kotor, don't know what to say other than, that's just plain wrong, they're not.

Third, what basis do you have for saying it's one player Kotor ported? That couldn't be further than the truth, did you see the multiplayer gameplay video? In Kotor you pause time, queue up commands, and command multiple AI characters. In ToR you play with other people and cannot freeze time. It literally couldn't be any different while still being an action rpg.

Calling it SWTOR and attacking their completely nonexistent advertising betrays your incredible ignorance, do some research next time.

Their none existant advertising as you call it consists of two very well done videos. The first of which cost over a million dollars alone.

Anyone else thinks Zing needs to calm the fuck down? Face facts, it's WoW: Star Wars Edition with a few bells and whistles attatched. I've watched the gameplay vids and it's EXACTLY like watching my girlfriend play WoW.
I love Star Wars, but TOR (whilst looking pretty good) won't live up to the hype.

Also, on the note of voice acting, am I the only one that doesn't really care that they're going to be told to go kill x amount of Ewoks by some generic voice actor?

I'm sorry? How am I anything but calm? I'm just correcting the logical fallacies being posed. I hardly think being fully voiced is "a few bells and whistles" but whatever you'll think what you want.

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

SWTOR 2? I guess you mean KOTOR...which graphics are not anything like TOR, that's just a lie.

So is it a WOW clone or a KOTOR clone with an online portion? Which is it guys?

As for you, yes I did mean KOTOR, I'd just got up when I posted easier.

But as one poster has already said, you need to calm the fuck down and stop acting like a prick, this is a discussion forum, if you can't have a discussion in a mature way, accept and respect other peoples views without being so defensive, fuck off somewhere else.

You just said he needs to calm down, and then told him to fuck off in the same sentence, if anything, you're the one freaking out, by telling people to fuck off, and you just said "how stupid are you" to me (which you edited out) how is that respecting people's opinions?

You could easily see mod action for that "fuck off" line, too bad they don't prosecute further for hypocrisy.

By the way, show me where you got the figures for how much the videos cost, I'd love to see you try to defend the figure you pulled out of your ass.

I'm not doing the work for you. Get on google and do your own research. The first video for SWTOR cost around $1 Million. It's widely known, you should be able to find plenty of information if you can be bothered to look.

Huh, I just spent 15 minutes doing Google searches, and read the entirety of The Old Republic Wikipedia page, and the titles of their citations.

I saw not a single mention of the cost of the "Deceived" trailer, so link or you're full of shit, I did the research, and that figure does not exist. So stop pulling bullet points out of your ass

Your research consisted of Wikipedia? Well.. *claps* You should do proper research.

 

[LogicNProportion]

Dude, chill, all i said it looked like wow, and thats the impression i get.
Voiceovers and Companions are gimicks that dont interest me in the slightest, its an mmo, a week after its out, all the storylines will be on TORhead.com or sth anyways and people are going to theorycraft how to get the best companion, armor, loot, ending, lightsaber or glitch their way to Coruscant.

Bioware since the start didnt understand MMO dynamics, i tried to warn them in an email about their "story driven" mmo, but hey, their call.

If that's what you reckon. I'll be here to say I told you so I guess. "Voiceovers" are a gimmick? It's completely voiced with cutscenes, it's not just "voiceovers". What wouldn't be a "gimmick" to you? Personally having an MMO voiced should be the norm. Story in MMOs has fallen by the wayside and it's made them boring as hell, especially when leveling. TOR changes that. Sure it will be an MMO at end game, but it will still be very different from WoW. Do some research.

And I'm sure your warning email was very helpful to them, I mean it's not like you're completely in the minority and the story aspect has brought a ton of interested players who have never played MMOs before...oh wait.

We will need to actually see the conclusion of this, i am merely stating my opinion that SW TOR does not bring enough innovation to the table to compete with WoW. Its a "safe bet"-mmo, being just different enough to pull the Star Wars fan.

What wouldn't be a gimmick to me (in context of making it different to WoW):

1.Innovative combat/raid mechanics not tied to the class-trinity (tank-dps-healer)
2.Action-combat with hit-detection, possibly multiple hit-zones, combos, skillbased
3.highly customizable loot (not gemming, actual modifications with external changes to models)
4.departure from the talent-tree and cooldown/mana mechanics
5.hybridization
6.persistent world
8.No LVLs
9.sandbox PVP

If 3 out of 9 would be included it would make TOR unique from WoW.

1. That trinity has been around since D&D, and before that, even. WoW was not the first to implement it, either.
2. Combat is not 'wait and attack, use flourish' like WoW, you have to use cover, mobility, range, and a bunch of other factors, including clicking the mouse each time to attack at all, or holding it down.
3. Has been announced that items (armor and weapons) will be built by players,in addition to normal loot. This is an element borrowed from Galaxies, which rocked. Even moreso, your equipment and even your ship will be customizable.
4. WoW, again, is not the first to have this. True, there are talent trees in TOR, but they act differently, borrowing a bit of the class level up system like Galaxies had at the beginning.
5. Explain this, please.
6. Again, explain, please.
7...or 8 by your counting.. I'm actually not sure if there will be. In the quick little gameplay scenes they have shown on the website, there seems to be nowhere to immediately locate a number to indicate your level.
9. Whole planets are being devoted as PVP zones, or at least, very large, open battlefields as such. On the snowy plains of Hoth, or a city planet that I forget, this has already been stated.

So, the other guy, while he was a bit hostile at first, was actually correct. Not trying to sound snarky here, but you should indeed have researched a bit farther.

And just because something is not interesting to you (for example, the voice acting and rail shooting), does not discount TOR from doing something different.

Hope I could help that out.

-LnP

 

[adamtm]

And just because something is not interesting to you (for example, the voice acting and rail shooting), does not discount TOR from doing something different.

So what exactly is different in voice acting and rail shooting o_o?

PS:

1. Ok, so your argument is that it was there before WoW, so its inovative? o_o
2. Diablo had active LOS, so will Perpetuum, and Earthrise, AOC, WHO...etc. pp. no inovation there.
3. Crafting is not what i meant at all
4. Again, so its been done before, yeah, no inovation yet...
5. I did explain it above
6. Pretty obviously what it says, persistent world, the players craft the world and events.
9. Size doesnt matter, sandbox pvp means it actually matters that i do pvp (change of land, held cities, resources needed for building bases, etc.) I dont want a bigger wintergrasp you know.

 

[Akalistos]

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

Are you kidding?

WHAT ADVERTISING!?

This game has had some of the least advertising I've ever seen for a project of this scale, they released a few video's online, which became popular not because they paid for them to be on TV or in Magazines or in banner ads (NONE of which I've seen for ToR, so you're full of shit) but because people took interest and spread them around.

Secondly, the graphics aren't at all like Kotor, don't know what to say other than, that's just plain wrong, they're not.

Third, what basis do you have for saying it's one player Kotor ported? That couldn't be further than the truth, did you see the multiplayer gameplay video? In Kotor you pause time, queue up commands, and command multiple AI characters. In ToR you play with other people and cannot freeze time. It literally couldn't be any different while still being an action rpg.

Calling it SWTOR and attacking their completely nonexistent advertising betrays your incredible ignorance, do some research next time.

Their none existant advertising as you call it consists of two very well done videos. The first of which cost over a million dollars alone.

Anyone else thinks Zing needs to calm the fuck down? Face facts, it's WoW: Star Wars Edition with a few bells and whistles attatched. I've watched the gameplay vids and it's EXACTLY like watching my girlfriend play WoW.
I love Star Wars, but TOR (whilst looking pretty good) won't live up to the hype.

Also, on the note of voice acting, am I the only one that doesn't really care that they're going to be told to go kill x amount of Ewoks by some generic voice actor?

I'm sorry? How am I anything but calm? I'm just correcting the logical fallacies being posed. I hardly think being fully voiced is "a few bells and whistles" but whatever you'll think what you want.

Graphics - Poor
Gameplay - Poor

What's wrong with the graphics and gameplay? And I hope you can do better then "they're poor".

Have you seen the footage videos? The graphics are the same as SWTOR and SWTOR 2, you would think an MMO from Bioware would have had better graphics, not the outdated crap it currently has.

As for the gameplay, The Old Republic is essentially the one player SWTOR 1 and 2 ported online with a subscription fee added. It barely qualifies as an MMO.

Maybe they should have have spent so much money on advertising and put a little more in to the quality of their game.

SWTOR 2? I guess you mean KOTOR...which graphics are not anything like TOR, that's just a lie.

So is it a WOW clone or a KOTOR clone with an online portion? Which is it guys?

As for you, yes I did mean KOTOR, I'd just got up when I posted easier.

But as one poster has already said, you need to calm the fuck down and stop acting like a prick, this is a discussion forum, if you can't have a discussion in a mature way, accept and respect other peoples views without being so defensive, fuck off somewhere else.

You just said he needs to calm down, and then told him to fuck off in the same sentence, if anything, you're the one freaking out, by telling people to fuck off, and you just said "how stupid are you" to me (which you edited out) how is that respecting people's opinions?

You could easily see mod action for that "fuck off" line, too bad they don't prosecute further for hypocrisy.

By the way, show me where you got the figures for how much the videos cost, I'd love to see you try to defend the figure you pulled out of your ass.

I'm not doing the work for you. Get on google and do your own research. The first video for SWTOR cost around $1 Million. It's widely known, you should be able to find plenty of information if you can be bothered to look.

Huh, I just spent 15 minutes doing Google searches, and read the entirety of The Old Republic Wikipedia page, and the titles of their citations.

I saw not a single mention of the cost of the "Deceived" trailer, so link or you're full of shit, I did the research, and that figure does not exist. So stop pulling bullet points out of your ass

Your research consisted of Wikipedia? Well.. *claps* You should do proper research.

Funny, i thought he wrote

I just spent 15 minutes doing Google searches, [HEADING=2]and[/HEADING] read the entirety of The Old Republic Wikipedia page.

Well... *claps* You should have paid more attention.

Beside, i got that game mark on many gaming website. If there's really a fake 1 million $ trailer and it's well know, how come neither the escapist, Kotaku, Gamespot, Destuctoid, Console specific magazine (including PC) haven't made a article about it? Funny, that's the type of deceit that would surely be a big news.

 

[Legend99]

Just as the results indicate opinions seem to be divided with a "slight" edge to WOW.
Truthfully I didn't expect these kind of results when I started the thread ,people seem to be really interested in this game.
My opinion would be that it doesn't need to cut into WOW's market necessarily but I could see it appealing to the same blizzard customers ,besides there's enough time on our hands for us to waste on more than one game.
It could even bring more undecided customers into the MMO playground.
The difference being that bioware seems to be much more story focused than blizzard this time ,with the whole gigantic voice casting they are undergoing, and a completely different storyline with each class regardless if they are on the dark or light side.

Oh and BIOWARE please don't release the game before E3 next year just so we can see another one of your jaw-dropping trailers.Lucas should have just hired these guys to the the first 3 episodes ,those couple of minutes are the best SW animation ever.

 

[masseyguy911]

I honestly think this could be the first MMO that could rival WoW.
Then again, its still pretty far off... Well hers hoping that it gives WoW a run for its money, would be good to see some actual competition in the MMORPG market.