And i said that there are enough services on steam as to make it free by itself. The fact that you can add retail games and nonsteam games and use the browser through it makes it a nice little app. And join friends through the community tab is also quite usefull. Saying that steam is only a store is a little closeminded.JaysonM said:I'm not trying to argue that, the original argument was "Is Steam free?".. I said it's free in the same way television was, the money comes from people who buy the games, steam turn a profit, so steam isn't exactly free.Nikolaz72 said:Find a place in my post that says steam doesnt get profit from the store and i shall change it good sir.JaysonM said:So you are saying that Steam turning over a profit comes from trees then?Nikolaz72 said:Disagree -Steam is free in the way the updates are free. On Xbox you actually have to pay for that service. On top of that it has a nice little community which a TV does not have and you used valve games as an example. The 1 GB of content they could easily have realeased as a mappack or expansion claiming money for it. Which you seem to have preffered over them being free. This is like the stupid people who claim Used games is the same as Used cars. Nothing the like.JaysonM said:No, you're wrong. Steam is free in the same way television is free. It's there to advertise products, it gets paid for from the games we purchase. Just like television is paid for by us purchasing products from companies who advertise on television...Nikolaz72 said:Oh craaap we are getting free content! OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD NO! Get away! We dont want free stuff and your fixes. GO AWAY. HIDE. RUN. DUCK AND COVER!JaysonM said:Agreed, I find Steam glitchy as shit. Those people with slow internet buy games from there retail stores and under the box it says "Internet Connection required". Then you have to jump through hoops installing a game when it also requires you to install 1 gigabyte updates..Duffeknol said:This post is going to be way too offensive, and I'll probably get warned, but people who actually like Steam should be rounded up and shot.
...sorry.
It's ridiculous.
You dont have to make it obvious that you are earning money in order to earn money Valve is just a wee bit smarter than others.. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.237350-Valve-disses-Microsoft-by-selling-L4D-L4D2-for-6-79
For the sake of stopping the argument can't we stop pointing fingers at Steam and instead point out that nothing is ever "free". Somewhere along the line someone has to pay for it. Buying something from Steam is just like buying it from any other store, they need their cut. In the most cases Steam is the cheaper and more easily accessible choice (provided you have a good connection) with the widest selection of games, putting it well ahead of the competitors. Unless developers sell directly from their own website, cutting out the middle man, it doesn't get much freer. (This has been tried a lot, usually doesn't work out.)JaysonM said:I'm not trying to argue that, the original argument was "Is Steam free?".. I said it's free in the same way television was, the money comes from people who buy the games, steam turn a profit, so steam isn't exactly free.
Because:Crystalite said:Would you care to tell us why? Or are you just venting some unreasoning violence fantasy?Duffeknol said:This post is going to be way too offensive, and I'll probably get warned, but people who actually like Steam should be rounded up and shot.
...sorry.
I like steam. It does have the tendency to get on my nerves some times, but it is a fact that I would never have stumbled apon as many great indie games as I have without it. They publish games that noone else would probably touch, and we would never hear about them.
Also, free stuff is always great. ;-)
So... You hate Steam because it makes money? Okay then.JaysonM said:No, you're wrong. Steam is free in the same way television is free. It's there to advertise products, it gets paid for from the games we purchase. Just like television is paid for by us purchasing products from companies who advertise on television...Nikolaz72 said:Oh craaap we are getting free content! OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD NO! Get away! We dont want free stuff and your fixes. GO AWAY. HIDE. RUN. DUCK AND COVER!JaysonM said:Agreed, I find Steam glitchy as shit. Those people with slow internet buy games from there retail stores and under the box it says "Internet Connection required". Then you have to jump through hoops installing a game when it also requires you to install 1 gigabyte updates..Duffeknol said:This post is going to be way too offensive, and I'll probably get warned, but people who actually like Steam should be rounded up and shot.
...sorry.
It's ridiculous.
You know that whole thing about a frog sitting in boiling water if you turn up the heat slow enough?Dana22 said:Ahahah rights and freedoms. Good one.
Switch to Internode.Vault101 said:Yes..Steam, as much as I love Valve I'm not too crazy about steam for a few reasons
Some people do not have the luxery of Gigabytes of data at their disposal, internet is expensive and I have limits, and for some reason games need to be "updated" when you buy them retail and install them , F.E.A.R. 2 is the worst example it ate up at least 1.7 gigabyes
and lets not go into the orange box.....theres not much on the cover that indicates you'll have to go through that whole process (download steam make an account then update the fucking thing ect) at least if you don't know about it
so yes I guess steam is great as an oline store and what ever but for some of us its a real inconvenience, I don't mind having to activate stuff online thats fine but I feel sorry for anyone who buys a game without realising all the trouble they have to go through to play it.
So how do you feel about it?
Please stop, no more. You are trying hard to be smart and insightful, but you sound like a emo teenager wearing Che Guevara t-shirt instead.Zachary Amaranth said:You know that whole thing about a frog sitting in boiling water if you turn up the heat slow enough?Dana22 said:Ahahah rights and freedoms. Good one.
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