Poll: Suicide - Your opinion
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I think it is a deeply personal choice/act, and one that can not be judged or dismissed lightly with simple explanations of cowardice and/or selfishness. I treat the subject with more of a mindset of pity for the person and one of sadness for their loved ones.
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I hope you have nothing to fear once you die. Remember the complete nothingness that was present before you were born, the total black emptyness where nothing bad happend? thats what i think deaths like, and im kinda glad.
The only thing im afraid of is how i will die, and hope to god that its not a shitty way such as choking on a peanut
ide settle for fighting ninjas or saving a really hot lady
I've done a lot of /headdesk reading through this.
There is a big huge vast difference between 'waaah my girlfriend dumped me' and proper clinical depression. My best friend tried to kill himself 2 years ago (they found him before it worked). So I do get the whole 'family and friends selfishness' issue. But I still don't agree that it's a terrible thing to do. Obviously, I'd be devastated if he'd succeeded, and probably very angry at him for doing it, but he's got serious depression. It's a medical condition. He isn't just attention seeking and moping.
There is a big huge vast difference between 'waaah my girlfriend dumped me' and proper clinical depression. My best friend tried to kill himself 2 years ago (they found him before it worked). So I do get the whole 'family and friends selfishness' issue. But I still don't agree that it's a terrible thing to do. Obviously, I'd be devastated if he'd succeeded, and probably very angry at him for doing it, but he's got serious depression. It's a medical condition. He isn't just attention seeking and moping.
From a nihilistic worldview, it can sometimes be logical, from a utilitarianistic worldview, it's often selfish, but again, sometimes logical. It depends to what beliefs you prescribe.
EDIT: When making an argument, the situation of the suicide should be mentioned. Throwing oneself off a bridge because of unhappiness is not the same as jumping on a grenade for your buddies or starving oneself to death when lost in the wilderness in order to give someone else a better chance of survival.
EDIT: When making an argument, the situation of the suicide should be mentioned. Throwing oneself off a bridge because of unhappiness is not the same as jumping on a grenade for your buddies or starving oneself to death when lost in the wilderness in order to give someone else a better chance of survival.
people who assume it's just cowardice don't know what they're talking about. it could be any number of reasons, but i have difficulty seeing cowardice as one of them.
the reasons could range from curiosity as to what happens next, depression, a desire to not become a vegetable... these are things i came up with very quickly. there are other reasons, i'm sure.
the reasons could range from curiosity as to what happens next, depression, a desire to not become a vegetable... these are things i came up with very quickly. there are other reasons, i'm sure.
All depends on your circumstances.
Sometimes it's cowardly or a cop-out but sometimes it's a viable option. I certainly won't condemn them for it.
It's very easy to say they are all weak cowards but it's usually much more complex than that.
Sometimes it's cowardly or a cop-out but sometimes it's a viable option. I certainly won't condemn them for it.
It's very easy to say they are all weak cowards but it's usually much more complex than that.
Just do what I do. When you're done crying and falling into your depression just remind your self that one of these days, one of these days, you'll be pushed to far and than, and than, you'll be free.
By the way for all of you who call suicidals stupid or selfish enjoy this quirky little short.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/495612
By the way for all of you who call suicidals stupid or selfish enjoy this quirky little short.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/495612
My partner killed herself.
She had extremely valid, rational reasons for doing so, which this forum isn't the place to discuss (and which had nothing to do with depression). Although I wish she hadn't done it, her reasoning made sense to me and if I was in her position I would have most likely done the same thing.
Suicide seems selfish but from the point of view of the person doing it, it is anything but. In her case, she took every measure possible to minimise the impact on those left behind.
She had extremely valid, rational reasons for doing so, which this forum isn't the place to discuss (and which had nothing to do with depression). Although I wish she hadn't done it, her reasoning made sense to me and if I was in her position I would have most likely done the same thing.
Suicide seems selfish but from the point of view of the person doing it, it is anything but. In her case, she took every measure possible to minimise the impact on those left behind.
If someone felt like they were wasting their lives then then killing themselves would mean one more persons worth of resources for the people in poverty.CuddlyCombine said:
Different people have different mindsets, you can't expect to persuade someone by showing them people who have it worse than them because people who are considering suicide are not generally people who have the same viewpoints as you.
Honestly, the fact is that if people want to die, they will find a way (unless you tie them down for the rest of their life). So I think assisted suicide might be a good idea... IF it was heavily regulated. Give the patient a wait time in which they can go back on their decision, psychologically examine them, other such checks and procedures could help people who would have easily jumped off a bridge reconsider what they are considering (during the waiting period).
As to whether it's selfish, I don't think so. It's your life, you should get control over it.
As to whether it's selfish, I don't think so. It's your life, you should get control over it.
It depends on the situation.
But most of the time it's "cowardly", people who buckle under their own problems so much that they see no other option but death.
There are cases are brave suicide. Like in Iraq, when this one guy jumped on a grenade that was gonna explode in his squad, he died, but everyone else was unharmed.
But if I knew someone who was going to commit suicide, I would do all I can to talk them out of it. But if it came down to it, I wouldn't stop them, it's their life, they should be able to do with it as they see fit.
But most of the time it's "cowardly", people who buckle under their own problems so much that they see no other option but death.
There are cases are brave suicide. Like in Iraq, when this one guy jumped on a grenade that was gonna explode in his squad, he died, but everyone else was unharmed.
But if I knew someone who was going to commit suicide, I would do all I can to talk them out of it. But if it came down to it, I wouldn't stop them, it's their life, they should be able to do with it as they see fit.
i agree with you there, but only if you have no one depending on youSlayer_2 said:
what if a father (or mother) of a household with kids decides to commit suicide? don't you think that is mighty selfish of them?
It was her attitude about it, She failed to see any other side than her own, Granted i didnt put that in the OP. I put the panda as a distraction from the fact that if we continue on about Transexualism ill probably end up REALLY offending you, Just because of my limited view of the condition.Zeithri said:
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