Why must we continue to suffer these insipid claims? Doesn't sound like these researchers bothered to set up any kind of control. And even if they had, did they look to see if this supposed change in behavior had any sort of permanence?
Does it strike anyone else as questionable that we object to her conclusion that video games make people impolite by getting a massive forum of gamers to call her a stupid cow?
Did they stop to think that maybe the kids didn't pick up the pens because they were too busy thinking "I want to be playing video games" or perhaps "what are the morals my character uses when he/she murders people" (assuming intelligent children)?
Either way, this "experiment" sounds flimsy at best.
It would be like giving one group of children Harry Potter to read and one group The Bible to read and presuming that because the Harry Potter group picked up less pens, Harry Potter has Satanic influence.
ShredHexus said:
Does it strike anyone else as questionable that we object to her conclusion that video games make people impolite by getting a massive forum of gamers to call her a stupid cow?
Anyone else thatwatched it noticed that A. They did'nt show the heart rate of the kids on the football game and B. In the interview the doctor made some sort ofmovement to pick the pens up with the ones on the football game and shrugged it off straight away with teh violant video game ones? Way to make your test even.
40 isn't a sufficient sample size to establish the validity of an experiment, no direct cause and effect can be established, there are multiple potential lurking variable's, and as you said, only a couple of the non-violent game kids picked up the pens which doesn't establish a statistically significant connection between non-violent gaming and violent gaming, and I doubt the randomization process was done quite fairly considering that slandering gaming sells very well in the media.
On a more personal note, I play only violent games*. Anytime someone does something like knock over pens or something I help them. Ok, that's not totally true, when my good good friends do something I laugh at them and just point. If it takes them more than a second I usually help out then anyway. You know why I help them our? Because I'm not a little rich boy that needs "super nanny" to come sort my spoiled ass out. The violence levels of my gaming have nothing to do with it.
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Because my gamecube doesn't work so I can't play Animal Crossing or Harvest Moon... I still like violent games more though
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Does it strike anyone else as questionable that we object to her conclusion that video games make people impolite by getting a massive forum of gamers to call her a stupid cow?
This is the part that caught my attention saying non-violent football game is like saying sane serial rapist the two things contradict each other with a passion...
Does it strike anyone else as questionable that we object to her conclusion that video games make people impolite by getting a massive forum of gamers to call her a stupid cow?
I am not going to say she is stupid and I am not going to say she is wrong. I am however going to pick apart her experiment.
A. sample size is too small
2. I doubt it is a good representative sample (meaning she didn't take kids evenly from ethic backgrounds, economic backgrounds, parental background, etc in a way that reflects the real percentage of the poulation),
C. there are too many variables that she probably didn't account for,
D. how many is "some" if "some" is "3" then that is not a significant difference,
E. researcher bias could have played a factor in this,
F. there doesn't seem to be any control group in this experiment or anything significant to compare the results to
H. my favorite:
I want to see her post this in a peer review journal to watch it get torn apart.
For starters for the test results to be in any way relevant, they should have done the pen drop thing before the kids had played the games. That would give us some insight into whether the games have an effect, or if they've just popped all the already polite kids into the football game group.
Is that football as in american football? If so the point of american football is violence to an extent "Taking the other teams land by force"
If it is football as the rest of the world knows it, then obviously supernanny has never seen real football matches...
I call shenanigans.
I love all games, including violent ones and I am very courteous and such. Just today I helped a janitor at my university to carry a bench because I saw him struggling. It is just the sort of thing you do.
It isn't even the bobo doll experiment or a cheap imitation. It is someone putting kids in a room, writing down the results, and publishing them without review or thought.
I haven't become less of a polite person from games.
I have become less of a polite person because whenever I am polite, people act like I'm a freaking alien for whatever reason...
And besides, my first video game was DOOM when I was 5 and have been playing violent video games since. And I always try to be polite, but like I said, whenever I am people act like its a strange thing to do.
I remember I held a door open for someone, and they just looked at me like I was a freak.
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