Poll: Swords or Guns?
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I prefer guns it's much easier and quicker, also swords are to big and bulky for the kind of character I play.
Because under some, very rare, circumstances, hand-to-hand combat will be required, and for those circumstances a knife will be much better than a sword.Zeithri said:
They compliment hand-to-hand combat techniques much better than swords that would require a, relatively, specialized training.
They're smaller and lighter, thus easier to carry (hindered movement is especially unwanted in a fire fight), more usable in very tight quarters (example: in a narrow corridor your sword swing could hit a wall and leave you open for a counter) and quicker to draw (considering these would not be primary weapons and as such would probably be sheathed).
Knives are simply more versatile than swords, that's why they're still employed and, even then, only to a limited extent.
As for the poll, I'm a quite an adept of archery as far as the "rule of cool" goes.
As opposed to Guns and Swords, those only temporarily kill; that's an excellent point.IxionIndustries said:
OT: If we're in the real world then guns. I'm all for efficiency. If I'm a magical ninja and my sword can occasionally stop bullets and I can teleport around and run up walls and shit? Fucking SWORDS. They're less useful in a real-world scenario, but SO much cooler than guns.
what about a gun that shoots swords? i feel that such a weapon would be far superior to both catagories previously stated.Angry Caterpillar said:
In-game, I can go for either, because I'm not fighting for my life and I'm simply trying to enjoy myself. Whatever works best in a game is what I'm most likely to use.
In real life, however...
In real life, however...
What would I use? Realistically, guns, even at close range. Fuck your pretenses of honor, if someone else is trying to end me, I prefer to kill the other guy as efficiently as possible. It baffles me that people can list all the drawbacks of a firearm, but seem completely oblivious to the fact that the sword is no longer used in modern conflicts because the firearm made it obsolete in every respect, and not just because conflicts are fought at greater distances. Don't try to pull circumstantial bullshit on me, like who's trained in what, because you shouldn't have a weapon you aren't proficient with, and if you have no choice, you obviously should have done more to avoid the situation. A firearm will always be a more useful companion in an engagement than a sword, no matter what range it takes place in. Life isn't like Halo where the guy with the plasma sword can dice the guy with the battle rifle when he's close enough; you don't have a shield to absorb the rounds that guy almost always soaks up in the process of engaging an aware target (if you can sneak up on your target, it doesn't matter what the fuck you're using, so that's a moot point), and furthermore, a gun does not stop being a viable weapon just because you're standing too close to me, because the principle of a gun remains the same: all I have to do is make sure the noisy end is pointed at some part of you when I'm pulling the trigger.
Don't kid yourself: nobody shrugs off bullet wounds like they do in the movies, otherwise we wouldn't be using the ineffectual pieces of crap. If my bullet connects with you, it's going to hurt like a son of a ***** unless it kills you instantly or causes severe neurological trauma that renders you incapable of feeling localized pain.
Real life isn't Devil May Cry, either, where bullets chip away at an enemy's health until you're close enough to slice them up. I cannot stress enough how lethal a modern projectile weapon is, else the Marine Corps would use those swords for more than just ceremony.
A real-life combat scenario isn't going to accommodate your romantic fantasies of using a forgotten weapon to stop a modern evil-doer. Your overly-specific idealistic encounter with a bad guy, where you simultaneously get the drop on him and manage to strike a debilitating area with minimal training, is not going to happen in this universe; even if it did, if just one of the factors working in your favor wasn't present, you'd still die. Also, keep in mind that life isn't a video game where you're presented a fair and ample opportunity to get a lucky strike in: the other guy wants you dead just as badly, and is just as capable of killing as you are of killing him (unless he has a gun, in which case, you'd better hope he's too intimidated by your renaissance faire blade to point his weapon at you). Something else to keep in mind is that video games are not even close to being an accurate portrayal of firearms, because if they performed realistically instead of being balanced to accommodate different kinds of players, one well-aimed torso shot with any gun of sufficient caliber would be debilitating, and would only require a follow-up shot to put the poor bastard out of his writhing agony.
Sorry to be a buzzkill, but I really don't have the patience for people who dismiss modern weapons as ineffectual and make clear their intentions to get themselves killed in a truly stupid attempt to play samurai. Against a guy with a sword, I would use a gun. Against a guy with a gun, I would also use a gun. If you would choose differently, I'm afraid your understanding of combat is laughable.
Don't kid yourself: nobody shrugs off bullet wounds like they do in the movies, otherwise we wouldn't be using the ineffectual pieces of crap. If my bullet connects with you, it's going to hurt like a son of a ***** unless it kills you instantly or causes severe neurological trauma that renders you incapable of feeling localized pain.
Real life isn't Devil May Cry, either, where bullets chip away at an enemy's health until you're close enough to slice them up. I cannot stress enough how lethal a modern projectile weapon is, else the Marine Corps would use those swords for more than just ceremony.
A real-life combat scenario isn't going to accommodate your romantic fantasies of using a forgotten weapon to stop a modern evil-doer. Your overly-specific idealistic encounter with a bad guy, where you simultaneously get the drop on him and manage to strike a debilitating area with minimal training, is not going to happen in this universe; even if it did, if just one of the factors working in your favor wasn't present, you'd still die. Also, keep in mind that life isn't a video game where you're presented a fair and ample opportunity to get a lucky strike in: the other guy wants you dead just as badly, and is just as capable of killing as you are of killing him (unless he has a gun, in which case, you'd better hope he's too intimidated by your renaissance faire blade to point his weapon at you). Something else to keep in mind is that video games are not even close to being an accurate portrayal of firearms, because if they performed realistically instead of being balanced to accommodate different kinds of players, one well-aimed torso shot with any gun of sufficient caliber would be debilitating, and would only require a follow-up shot to put the poor bastard out of his writhing agony.
Sorry to be a buzzkill, but I really don't have the patience for people who dismiss modern weapons as ineffectual and make clear their intentions to get themselves killed in a truly stupid attempt to play samurai. Against a guy with a sword, I would use a gun. Against a guy with a gun, I would also use a gun. If you would choose differently, I'm afraid your understanding of combat is laughable.
Unsheath sword.
Load gun.
Ready sword.
Take safety off gun.
Charge.
Still taking safety off-OH SHIT!
Wielding a gun takes practice to do but it's cold. Pulling a trigger and you're target is no more.
Wielding a sword takes practice but then fighting someone with it is almost an art.
To be specific: I'll choose a katana over any Western sword anyday.
Load gun.
Ready sword.
Take safety off gun.
Charge.
Still taking safety off-OH SHIT!
Wielding a gun takes practice to do but it's cold. Pulling a trigger and you're target is no more.
Wielding a sword takes practice but then fighting someone with it is almost an art.
To be specific: I'll choose a katana over any Western sword anyday.
I've got no real preference between the two. Which I think is why I just love Warhammer 40K so damn much. Guns? Check. Lasers? Check. CHAINSAW SWORDS? Check.
I have a fondness for the art of MAGIC, myself.
But...swords, knives, etc.
I have Commando on EVERY class in MW2, and don't care who knows it.
But...swords, knives, etc.
I have Commando on EVERY class in MW2, and don't care who knows it.
I chose other because im the kinda person who likes playing fallout 3 and fighting everything with his fists
Ever since I played Ocarina of Time as a young child I have always preferred swords over shooting.
Other: Swords were historically one of the less effective weapons. They were the ancient equivalent to an officer's pistol: Light, easy to carry around, less effective than a rifle (Polearms, (Assault rifle) axes, (Shotgun) bows, (Sniper) and crossbows (One of those really big heavy duty snipers)) and more of a symbol of rank than anything else.
Knights equated only having a sword to being unarmed. Swords main advantage came from the fact that they could be sheathed at your side, because otherwise they were generally inferior.
It wasn't until the rapier that swords really were a good choice. It cold get through any type of armor, could easily be poisoned, was capable enough to run someone through with a pound of force, was cheap to produce, and could once again; be easily carried around on your person.
I would go with polearms. Preferably a halberd.
Knights equated only having a sword to being unarmed. Swords main advantage came from the fact that they could be sheathed at your side, because otherwise they were generally inferior.
It wasn't until the rapier that swords really were a good choice. It cold get through any type of armor, could easily be poisoned, was capable enough to run someone through with a pound of force, was cheap to produce, and could once again; be easily carried around on your person.
I would go with polearms. Preferably a halberd.