Poll: Tali Reveal

[KaizokuouHasu]

Spoiler

Yes. Obviously. Not revealing her face to us is just a lazy move on Bioware's part

I wouldn't say its lazy just leaves a little more to the imagination it would be nice to see but if they not going to do it well would you rather they not did it at all ?

It is lazy. Why do I have to use my imagination to come up with a face for a character I don't even own? One of Bioware's designers just have to put pen to paper and finish the job - which they are already paid for.

It isn't that they don't know what to draw her like, it's that they don't know if they want to reveal her and ruin the mystery that the Quarians hold.

There isn't a mystery. That's what I'm trying to tell everyone. It was in detail explained why Quarians wear full-body suits. So the fact that they are wearing it now is a technicality, not a mystery. I'll tell you what was mysterious; that short moment in the first Lord of the Ring film when we met Aragorn. Before we knew who he was he is only introduced as the Strider, and we briefly see his face partially lit by his own tobacco glow. Soon afterwards he removes his hood to reveal his identity (to the extent he himself identifies with) and the mystery is solved.

That we don't see a quarians face - ever - and that it isn't even explained is a dick move. From a game that places so much emphasis on explaining how things work in and are in this universe, even down to how Asari reproduce, that they don't even drop us a hint on what the general facial make-up is. Do they have two eyes? Four? Do they have Eye-lids?

They never had a reason to reveal the Quarian face when they made Mass Effect. Quarians were in their suits for a reason, and there was no logical reason to remove the suits. All of the character design went into the suit, including the basic "face" that is beneath the mask is meant to highlight the mask through the translucence.

When Mass Effect 2 was being developed, BioWare quickly realized that the character and race were insanely popular, and that, while there were tons of people who wanted the reveal, there was no way they could do a reveal and meet any of the fan's expectations.

That's why there is no concept art of it, because it was never an issue. There was no reason to develop one in ME, Quarians were just a race, and the suit was what the player saw, and therefore where the development was. And in ME2, it was already too late to do a reveal that would please the Tali fans.

It's not laziness. Why don't you sit down and try to make a Quarian under the mask that will please the Tali fanbase?

1st Paragraph) That was only because Tali was not a romantic interest in the first game, not was any other Quarian.

2nd Paragraph) Bioware doesn't owe to it's audience a design of Tali that pleases EVERY member of their target demographic. If they did they wouldn't be able to make the game to begin with since the same thing would have to apply to all other characters in the game. Duh.

3rd Paragraph) Again, it's lazy to design a race with the criteria 'no face, no features beyond fewer fingers and toes and backwards pointing knees, and a Baltic European accent' It's like George Lucas when he designed an alien race that was entirely criminal. Way to put pencil to paper, Georgie. Wait. Bioware did that too! The Batarians! And The Krogans too, entirely Mercenary. And the Asari (almost) entirely stripper! And the Volus and the Salarians. Almost entirely shopkeepers and floor space fillers!

4th Paragraph) Because I'm a paying costumer, not a designer on salary. It's not my job to design their game. Don't be silly.

Now, why are you defending Bioware so eagerly. I'm sure they make enough money to ignore an almost fan like me (They've yet to release something at Jade Empire standard again /sadface), and not care for your support. So far they've not cared too much about their fans, and I think that's a trend they'll go with for some time.

 

[Nietz]

Hard question to answer, but on the other hand a lot of you have made good points in this thread.

Now in my opinion I'd like to keep it optional. For example: When you finish her story-arc and have her romanced, she turns around and starts undressing or something, and you get a renegade/paragon-interrupt to have Shepard take her by the arm en swing her around or something. Build it into the game, no DLC or anything, but have it in a small scene at the end of her arc, but only if you choose to.

Heck... I dunno. I'm just sad I can't have my male-Shep romance Wrex or Grunt.

 

[KaizokuouHasu]

Spoiler

Yes. Obviously. Not revealing her face to us is just a lazy move on Bioware's part

I wouldn't say its lazy just leaves a little more to the imagination it would be nice to see but if they not going to do it well would you rather they not did it at all ?

It is lazy. Why do I have to use my imagination to come up with a face for a character I don't even own? One of Bioware's designers just have to put pen to paper and finish the job - which they are already paid for.

It isn't that they don't know what to draw her like, it's that they don't know if they want to reveal her and ruin the mystery that the Quarians hold.

There isn't a mystery. That's what I'm trying to tell everyone. It was in detail explained why Quarians wear full-body suits. So the fact that they are wearing it now is a technicality, not a mystery.

Why they wear the suits isn't the mystery you silly, it's what they look like underneath it.

And that is also what I'm getting at. That shouldn't be a mystery! There are billions of Quarians in the ME universe, and many of them have shown their faces, and bodies to non-Quarians, Shepard included if you're into that sort of thing. The only people who aren't let in on what Quarians look is the player. And I paid for this?

It's stupid. I can't see why you'd defend something like this. It's just unreasonable. It's is comparable to systematically tearing out the last 3 chapters out of every book you buy so that the ending will remain a mystery. ¬_¬

Yeah, you paid for Mass Effect 2 with the express and sole interest in seeing Tali's face. That's all you paid for, and were obviously disappointed that there was a game there instead.

Oh, you joker. Actually I paid for a game that would be a better game than the first one, but instead got a shitty over-shoulder shooter pretending to be an RPG with crap mini games and less than half of the content that I was presented with on the first game. ON TWO CDs!

For some reason technology got worse in the 2-4 years that spanned between the two games. Guns now need ammo (or thermal clips that for some arbitrary reason have to be thrown away when lukewarm, instead of, say... placed aside until cool), and techs/biotis that are roughly half as effective. There was also the annoying addition of being made to have to switch between weapons to kill enemies effectively, lest you wanted to waste time and ammo. This got annoying on higher difficulties since you usually fight against more than one enemy and they for some reason have access to better armour than you do - much appreciated Cerberus.

 

[DustyDrB]

I say do it. Not doing it is just a cop out for the artists, I think. I enjoy seeing the things creative people create, so show us some Quarian faces already.

 

[Yorkshire_matt]

I'm firmly in the I don't give a crap camp

 

[Seanfall]

Ehhh....I can't decide. I've seen alot of nice fan art and I'm pretty sure NOTHING they do will please fan expectations. And I agree that they shouldn't bend over to please everyone. On the other hand: I'm very Curious as Tali is one my Favorite characters. In fact I'm torn over which game in ME3 I'll play through first: My Badass Inflitatior who romanced Liara, Or the shining paragon Solider who romanced Tali. Someone on Facebook suggested showing other Quarien faces to give us a rough idea. Kind of a halfway mark between both ends.

In the end if it helps the game get out faster, screw it.

 

[Skyblade12]

Now, why are you defending Bioware so eagerly. I'm sure they make enough money to ignore an almost fan like me (They've yet to release something at Jade Empire standard again /sadface), and not care for your support. So far they've not cared too much about their fans, and I think that's a trend they'll go with for some time.

They make enough money by pleasing "almost fans" like you. There money doesn't come from nowhere, it comes from fans, who buy their games. No game developer wants to alienate those fans, even the biggest developers on the market. Blizzard lost a measly 5% of their customers due to bad decisions in developing Cataclysm, and have been completely revamping their entire design structure trying to get those numbers back.

When Mass Effect was made, there was no design for the Quarian face, and, as you admit, no reason to have one. But by the time Mass Effect 2 came out, it was way too late to start planning one. Players and fans have hundreds of different expectations, and no matter what route you go, you are going to upset and alienate tons of fans. BioWare is still trying to figure out a way to reveal Tali that will not be a letdown to the majority of the fans, they just still have no clue how to do it.

As to why I am defending them, it is because you aren't offering a valid criticism. It is obviously not laziness. If anything, it is more caused by a lack of self confidence, they are unsure of their own ability to meet the fan expectations. There are tons of valid criticisms you could offer about BioWare, but that is not one of them.

 

[Radoh]

Big snip

Your opinion on the quality difference between the first and second Mass Effect games are noted, but are completely irrelevant in this thread.
Moving along back to the actual point you were trying to make a while back would be appreciated.

 

[-Dragmire-]

Yes, they should.

I would laugh my ass off if it turns out she looks like Zoidberg in that suit.

If they do show her face, there are some good concept art floating around that I kinda like and so wouldn't mind if she looked like these. I won't complain if they don't show it though, I'm used to it by now.

Spoiler: fav

Spoiler: 2nd fav

There's also some pretty scary shit too...

I think those look a bit too human for my taste. I'm hoping for a pretty alien but not to much like they made the Asari look like blue humans with weird scalp implants.
Exotic is the word im looking for.

Yeah, they are rather human but look at some of these to compare them to...

Other peoples' concept art...

Spoiler: ...

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edit: there was another interesting one but it was a nude model so...

 

[KaizokuouHasu]

Big snip

Your opinion on the quality difference between the first and second Mass Effect games are noted, but are completely irrelevant in this thread.
Moving along back to the actual point you were trying to make a while back would be appreciated.

I've already made my point. That you failed to see it makes any further discussion futile.

 

[arcade109]

On one hand no, on the other hand every once in a while I get scared that she looks like this:

http://mimg.ugo.com/201006/48040/cuts/edna-2_288x288.jpg

 

[Radoh]

Big snip

Your opinion on the quality difference between the first and second Mass Effect games are noted, but are completely irrelevant in this thread.
Moving along back to the actual point you were trying to make a while back would be appreciated.

I've already made my point. That you failed to see it makes any further discussion futile.

Oh I saw your point, but it did not sway my opinion, thus you should try again since your point has already been refuted by many others.

 

[KaizokuouHasu]

As to why I am defending them, it is because you aren't offering a valid criticism.

And now you've deployed a conversation tool that makes any further discussion futile. Thanks.

 

[Goldeneye103X2]

Easiest thing is to keep it as an option. Then again, some douche on the intrawebz will post a picture of her actual face.

But mystery is good. Remember V for Vendetta? At the end of the comic?

Exactly.

 

[KaizokuouHasu]

Big snip

Your opinion on the quality difference between the first and second Mass Effect games are noted, but are completely irrelevant in this thread.
Moving along back to the actual point you were trying to make a while back would be appreciated.

I've already made my point. That you failed to see it makes any further discussion futile.

Oh I saw your point, but it did not sway my opinion, thus you should try again since your point has already been refuted by many others.

Not necessarily 'refuted', but more... brushed aside. But thanks for wanting to keep this going, I appreciate the post-count.
If you're not swayed by my opinion that doesn't mean I should try from a different angle, by doing so my argument will eventually become something that doesn't reflect my point at all. Isn't it better if we just, you know, stop?

 

[ABLb0y]

Please no. I don't want to have her take off her mask, as all of her allure was the fact you never find out what she looks like. Having her remove her mask would completly destroy my idea of her.

 

[cthulhumythos]

Should Microsoft show what Master Chief looks like? If anyone says no then you can't really explain why Tali's face should be shown.

i don't understand what you meant, but i'd prefer if neither are shown.

 

[Arehexes]

Should Microsoft show what Master Chief looks like? If anyone says no then you can't really explain why Tali's face should be shown.

i don't understand what you meant, but i'd prefer if neither are shown.

it's mostly me joking being half serious (I do wanna see Chief's face so I can have a laugh)

 

[RabbidKuriboh]

If they do show her face, there are some good concept art floating around that I kinda like and so wouldn't mind if she looked like these. I won't complain if they don't show it though, I'm used to it by now.

Spoiler: fav

Spoiler: 2nd fav

There's also some pretty scary shit too...

okay if it was like that first one i would be a very happy fanboy!