Poll: Tesco bans a "Jedi Knight" from their store

[hypothetical fact]

I didn't write Jedi on my Census form for jedi knights to be kicked out of Tesco!

 

[Finrear]

Let's put this into context,

Man wearing hood in store is asked to remove it.
Man refuses, stating he has too as it is part of his faith.
When asked what faith he states Jedi.
(At this point it should be noted that anyone who has watched star wars knows that Jedi do not always have their hoods up).
Man is then told to stop taking the p**s and remove his hood, he refuses and get's kicked out.

The Guy in question was not banned for being a Jedi, he was banned for being a dick.

 

[axia777]

They are lame. They worship a really fictional philosophy. Not that is any less valid than Christianity, but still. It is obviously fictional. They are just lame.

 

[Hexenwolf]

Even if we accept "Jedi" as a religion (which I think is ridiculous, but still acknowledge the legal presence), it's not religious prosecution. They didn't throw him out because he was a Jedi, they threw him out because he wouldn't remove the hood. It's a pretty important distinction.

Here's an example, let's say you're a Satanist (a real religion which is not legally prosecuted in any way) and you decide to do a virgin sacrifice. You're going to jail for murder. Even if it's for religious reasons, you can't break the law. You're not going to jail because you're a Satanist, you're Satanist buddies aren't going to jail (assuming they didn't help/know about the sacrifice), it's because of the murder.

It's the same idea as here. Stores are not public property, they allow people to come in to buy things. They have the legal right to make store policy, such as "remove a hood when asked, so the CCTV can see you." You know those signs? The ones that say: We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone? What do you think those mean? Again, it's not religious prosecution since they didn't throw him out because he was a Jedi.

Rawr.

 

[Finrear]

I don't Jedi is a religon

unfortunately it technically is. enough people put it as a religon in a census for it to count as one, so it counts, even if it is complete bullcrap.

I can't speak for other countries, but in the UK that is not true.

In the 2001 census, which was when all the crap about it being recognised started, it recieved enough responses so that when the census was processed it was given it's own catagory rather than being grouped in with other, but this does not equate to being recognised as a religion. If ou google in amongst all the ZOMG!11 JEDI IS OFFICIAL!11 you'll find statements from the national office of statistics stating that it's bollocks.

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

Its not as bad as that star trek religion...

 

[Aedrial]

Religion or no that man was wearing a large hood that concealed his face, which is against store policy because security cameras can't see his face and identify him on cctv should he commit a crime. Being part of a religion dosent excuse you from the law or the laws of a shop. Period.

Then how come the Muslim woman was left alone?

Because they are required to wear the veils in a way that it DOESN'T cover their face. It is mainly there to cover their hair in westernised countries.

 

[Kif]

You have to be granted religious status to be classed as a religion, simply saying it on the census... no matter how many people say it, does not make that happen.

Jedi is not an official religion in the same way that Scientology is not simply because it hasn't been granted that status in the UK.

Also, it's The Sun, quite possibly the lowest form of literary news in the UK.

 

[Soulkiller3]

They are lame. They worship a really fictional philosophy. Not that is any less valid than Christianity, but still. It is obviously fictional. They are just lame.

So is Christianity in my eye and any other religion. Most people belive in what some radom book says, so why cant some people belive in what a film says :S

Anyway ad advise the OP to not read the sun.

 

[Shadowfaze]

BEST. RELIGION. EVER.

where do i join up? hehehe

 

[Jinx_Dragon]

Jedi is a religion... doesn't matter how it was founded if someone wants it as a spiritual belief then by damn they should have it. Just don't go about trying to mind trick me, cause I'll voodoo your arse.

Kidding.

BUUUUT

What I have is a curious question to the Jedi out there: Where does it say you have to wear a hood all of the time?

If I remember right the Jedi in the movie don't always wear hoods, and often lower them when indoors or when it would be impolite to keep it raised. If requested to show ones face would a Jedi not feel compelled to do so, if for nothing more then out of respect for his 'host?'

 

[HentMas]

snip

well, yeah, you got me in there, a bad "stereotype" is obviously a good way to be discriminating to people

like my uncle Marcos Antonio who haves a beard, he was detained when attempting to come back to Mexico after a vacational trip to Hawai just because they said "he looks like a terroris, a Muslim or Al Qaeda"... its just a frikken beard, he is MEXICAN for crying out loud, so excuse me if i think that a "hood" is not a reason to BAN someone for life

even less to make fun of his beliefs (BE IT AS FRIKKEN RIDICULOUS AS THE FLYING SPAGETTI MONSTER)

Tesco handled the afair poorly and in the end is acting against it´s costumers customs and manners

One haves the right to make you go against your beliefs, and they could have gone to a compromise lets say "well then, could you please look at the camera and smile every time you come here?? just to be sure we get your face" that would have being better than "haha, you ridiculous fanatic, fuck you and never come back"

there is never one stereotype or a custom or manner that empowers others to be judgmental or discriminating to anyone.

 

[Clashero]

Religion or no that man was wearing a large hood that concealed his face, which is against store policy because security cameras can't see his face and identify him on cctv should he commit a crime. Being part of a religion dosent excuse you from the law or the laws of a shop. Period.

So a Muslim woman would have to remove her habib? I'd like to see them try.

all intensive purposes

INTENTS AND PURPOSES! GAH! Intesive doesn't even make sense!

 

[Clashero]

Your post seems to be based on the bible. If you re-read mine, I was talking about Christianity. Which is based on God. And from my point of view, God doesn't exist.

It doesn't matter, in terms of Christianity, you cannot seperate the two. The Bible is the written word of God, and is central to the faith. I don't care what you think about God, that is also not what we were discussing. Also, you failed to answer my question. Could you really say that a work intended as ficiton as opposed to a work intended as a means of divine instruction have the same credibility?

If I don't think that God exists, then neither do I think that the Bible is the written word of God. So to me, it carries about as much credibility as The Empire Strikes Back.

except the fact that you can prove many of the events in the bible. like the fact that Jesus lived, that Noah's Flood happened, that the seven plagues affected Egypt, that the Nile really did recede allowing people to cross it, that there really were pillars of fire and smoke

they are a collection of myths based on real events, it's just at the time people didn't know how to actually describe them.

yet with the Star Wars series, we can prove everything is false

Please, please tell me that was a joke...

Yes, Jesus lived. Doesn't make him the son of God, doesn't mean he can do magic tricks.
Also, if you genuinely believe that there's proof of Noah's flood....I.... there's just so much wrong with that, I don't know where to start. Same with the seven plagues. The Nile receding is just a natural phenomenon.

Also, the point has, in a way, been missed. They may be a series of myths based on real events, but why that makes them the written word of God, I'll never know.

I agree, but I'll add that the seven plagues were a natural phenomenon as well. I can't remember how it went, but it was something about a landslide poisoning the water (and turning it red), thus poisoning the crops and grass, thus poisoning the cattle, thus bringing in the locusts, which carried disease, and only the first borns worked in the fields, so only they got sick, or something like that.

 

[Nmil-ek]

Your post seems to be based on the bible. If you re-read mine, I was talking about Christianity. Which is based on God. And from my point of view, God doesn't exist.

It doesn't matter, in terms of Christianity, you cannot seperate the two. The Bible is the written word of God, and is central to the faith. I don't care what you think about God, that is also not what we were discussing. Also, you failed to answer my question. Could you really say that a work intended as ficiton as opposed to a work intended as a means of divine instruction have the same credibility?

If I don't think that God exists, then neither do I think that the Bible is the written word of God. So to me, it carries about as much credibility as The Empire Strikes Back.

except the fact that you can prove many of the events in the bible. like the fact that Jesus lived, that Noah's Flood happened, that the seven plagues affected Egypt, that the Nile really did recede allowing people to cross it, that there really were pillars of fire and smoke

they are a collection of myths based on real events, it's just at the time people didn't know how to actually describe them.

yet with the Star Wars series, we can prove everything is false

Please, please tell me that was a joke...

Yes, Jesus lived. Doesn't make him the son of God, doesn't mean he can do magic tricks.
Also, if you genuinely believe that there's proof of Noah's flood....I.... there's just so much wrong with that, I don't know where to start. Same with the seven plagues. The Nile receding is just a natural phenomenon.

Also, the point has, in a way, been missed. They may be a series of myths based on real events, but why that makes them the written word of God, I'll never know.

Actually there is more evidence towards the fact that Jesus never existed, barring the obious thing of being crucified with nails through the hands is impossible (hands cant support the hanging bodies weight)

The fact that there is no written reports of anyone named jesus durning the time period accounts only started occuring 50 years after his "death" unlike all the other thousands of prophets with hundreds of written accounts durning their lifetime. And the fact that the person depicted in the tuban shroud clearly suffered from gigantasism.

 

[orangebandguy]

He can always use his mind tricks. "I'm not the jedi you're looking for."

 

[Charisma]

LOL I would laugh in this kid's face, and anyone else who belonged to his "religion."

The company was well within its right to refuse service to these retards.

 

[darthzew]

If it's store policy not to wear hoods, then that's their right. They're probably losing business over this, but it's up to them.

 

[chronobreak]

I know u were replying to someone else, but i just have to say. Um, you're the first person i've ever heard say that the bible is "the written word of God"

People wrote the bible, not god. Supposedly they wrote it based on events they witnessed & took part in. But God did not toss the bible down from a cloud.

Something that really bugs me about the belief that the bible was "written by God" is that it imparts the assumption that God's meaning couldn't have been mistook or misinterpreted by any of the scribes who wrote the books. Not to mention all the translations. Where are the original books, how can they even be validated?

I'm not saying im not a believer. I do believe in God. I just think that the bible is not an aboslute truth & is definitely not written by God's hand.

Ok, here we go. You would have to be one hell of a fanatic to believe that God lkiterally wrote the Bible with his own hands. That is just ridiculous. The reason that I say it is the written word of God is because that is exactly what it is, depending on your Christian sect and school of thought. At least with my upbringing, we were always taught that the Bible is the word of God, sent through man in divine inspiration, no room for error, and everything they wrote is exactly the way that God meant it to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_literalism

Now, there are other Christians who believe that the people who wrote the books of the Bible each did so of the own interpretations and such, that their general ideas were divinely inspired but not directly from God.

As far as absoulte truth, well, there are differing opinions on that, too. Many things in the faith are debated, so the next time you hear somebody lump all Christians together, you make sure to let them know there are many ways to practice the faith!

I want to make it known as well that I am not a Christian, I am merely a representative of them on The Escapist. They get far too much grief around here, and need all the support they can get, and I am happy to participate.

 

[tsb247]

I don't Jedi is a religon

I don't that is a sentence.

Anyway, nobody should be allowed to obscure their face in a store - religious reasons or not.
Get over it or get someone to shop for you.

Very true. In fact, that is why a good many shoplifters wear sunglasses and baseball caps. All they have to do is look down, and their face disappears from the ever-watchful gaze of the security cameras.

I also don't know how they do things in the UK, but any place of business here in the U.S. has the right to refuse service to any individual if so desired. However, services cannot be refused based on race, color, religion, or national origin.

This would seem to be a catch 22 since the hood (part of the religion) could also be a security risk for the store since it would also obscure his face from security cameras. Since it is also a risk for the store, a person (well, in the U.S. anyway) could probably be refused service on those grounds.